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Dante Hall wanted out because Herm didnt pat his head and rub his tummy after every practice. Trent Green wanted out because Herm actually wanted him to compete for the starting job, rather than hold his hand, kiss his forehead, and tell him everything would be all right. And now, after the team wins their first game in a year, Tony Gonzalez leaves the locker room pouting over not breaking a record in the exact manner he wanted to. Because he got used to DV and Saunders and crap like the final game in 2004, when they threw him a dozen 1-yard passes just to break the single-season TE catches record. Even though the record was completely cheapened by the way they it. What we had here under Vermeil were a bunch of soft, weak teams, and he turned a bunch of guys on the roster into soft, weak pussies. |
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You're defending TYNES. The man who couldn't kickoff the ball more than freaking 40 yards. The man who continually choked under pressure. The man who single-handedly forced the Giants to go into overtime in Green Bay. TYNES. ROFL |
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The offensive players wanted out because they saw that Herm is a reerun. They were really weak finishing in the top 3 in scoring year after year. |
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Who do we have that is better? Tynes got a ring yes? SO STFU you Herm-sperm eater!! ROFL |
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You don't need to be a psychic to realize what's happening to this team.
1. Our head coach is a doofus. 2. Our defense is worse than ever. 3. Our offense is worse than ever. 4. Our special teams are worse than ever. (The MVP notwithstanding.) 5. When panicked, we run the sloption. 6. Herm can blame every conceivable screw up on "youth" and "rebuilding". 7. Smart, competitive, veteran players who like winning don't need this. 8. Herm sells bullshit by the truckload. 9. When players aren't buying, he gets pissy. Add it all up, and you have the ingredients for severe implosion. Which, in the long run, may not be a bad thing. FAX |
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That whole cussing out incident pretty much ruined that relationship especially with Tait's family. |
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"Sit there and shut up" I believe is what Carl told Tait at the signing. |
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People will still blame Dick Vermeil for the demise of this team long after Herm Edwards is gone.
We're gonna have a female, black, president, colonization on the Moon, and cures for both cancer and AIDS and people will still blame the Chiefs' 2-14 record on Vermeil. Even though Carl Peterson will still be at the helm during all of this. |
It's gotten to the point where the players (minus Waters.....good lord he needs to grow a pair and speek his mind) are not following Herm's plan......
This offense doesn't allow anyone to develope. We look like we don't belong on a football field on offense. It might the worst offense I've ever seen.....not kidding. Eventually the losing falls directly and solely on the coaching staff....and in this case we have the most stubborn coach in the NFL that refuses to change anything......results still the same......then he sits on the sidelines not knowing what th **** to do..... Eventually players lose all their hope.......now they are going into the game KNOWING they are about to get their asses handed to them. |
Yeah Tait really wanted to come back :rolleyes:
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Ergo, the Giants are choosing Carney over Tynes. Ergo, Carney is better than Tynes. Ergo, we have replaced Tynes with someone better, brief though it was. And the hilarious thing is that if we'd kept Carney, it's the same crew bringing up Tynes in this thread that would be like "WTF?! REBUILDING?! CONNER BARTH FTW!!!!" |
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Sure some of it was money as it always is but this was personal to him. Surely you would admit that. |
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That's the part that gets me. 3 years in and we look exactly the same only worse on D. We still can't get a 1st down until 2 min to go in the half, we still can't run for more than 1 yard on 1st down, we still can't throw for more than 2 yards at a time no matter who the QB is. The fact McInstosh is still on the field is evidence that Herm is the biggest dumb **** in the NFL. And no Hermy-Humping, Carl-Coddlingm Warpaint, Nick "The Erroneous One" Athan, or any other jock strap, douche in this world can defend what is going on with this team right now. This coach and GM have allowed the Chiefs to become the laughing stock of the NFL. The mere fact we are even mentioned in the same breath as Detroit is proof positive that Carl and Herm are idiots and need to be fired. |
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Just think about it, for a minute. The sloption. FAX |
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Imo, we aren't competitive because we have one of the worst FO's in the league.
they can talk about rebuilding all they want. but the real rebuilding never took place inside the FO. It's one thing to get players, its another thing when you have a FO that is not capable of getting good players. If you look around the league, most organizations that are successful have a great front office. why were teams like Cincinatti bad for so many years? Because mike Brown is a bad owner. Why have the Lions not had any success? And a lot of us will say because of Matt Millen. And thats true. The Raiders have been basement dwellers of the league for the past 6 seasons now? Al Davis is half the man he used to be..He's done, and not the same. It happens we get old. But really I am not pleased at all with the Chiefs ownership. Clark has shown to much patience, loyalty, and treats his own FO like family. In todays world of sports that doesn't equate to success. It's one thing when you suck, but when you can't make changes? Oh boy |
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Show PROOF. Otherwise, quit making shit up to suit your argument. |
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- Brought about sweeping change in the organization - Took power away from King Carl - Made the team focus on the draft - Stopped the team from blowing their money on FAs who never deliver - Actually tried to build a team the right way Even if Herm never wins another game as Chiefs coach and the offense finishes with negative yards in every game, he has already done more positive things for this franchise than anyone else in a decade. |
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I am sorry, I forgot, John Tait, Carl and you were having nut-munching 3-somes with each other. I did not mean to offend your sugar daddy. John Tait and Carl loved each other. What the **** was I thinking ? |
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You're a ****ing moron. 2 losing seasons in a row, or 13 losing seasons out of 15 between '74-'89? |
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The problem was the Chiefs did it badly. |
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So 3 years and we still can't get more than 1 yard on 1st down and that is building the team the right way? ROFL This is ****ing classic! |
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I'm not defending anyone. The entire FO needs to be whacked. However, you're talking out of your ass. Sorry you don't like getting called out. Maybe you should think before you post. So, like I said, PROVE the premise of your argument. It's YOUR argument, how hard is it to PROVE it? |
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Was that some sort of statement or something? |
The only thing we know for a fact about the Tait situation is that Chicago offered more than KC was willing to (or should have) paid. We can speculate about the Tait Carl relationship and what effect it may have had on re-signing him, but it's only speculation. Money is why we lost Tait. Period.
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Many of the others between 1979-1989 hovered around 6-10 and 8-8. That's bad, but not this bad. I bet we win 3 games this year and it is the worst Chiefs team since 1977. |
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So, this is all about Tynes? JFC. Larry Twinkle-Toe Tynes? He ****ing sucks. But I guess you're used to sucking off losers. |
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I see. No wonder you think Vermeil was great. And no wonder everyone else thinks you are reeruned. |
I'm glad Tait didn't become our LJ of the offensive line, now only if we can throw away Mcinpussy
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Both of those teams had FAR more talent than the current Chiefs roster. That was just all-around bad coaching and game-planning those two years. |
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The sandy vags are bitching about how bad things are, without putting things in perpsective. 2 bad seasons in a row is NOTHING. Bottom line is that people were spoiled by mediocrity over the last 20 years. |
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People will stay at home and wont go to games. Blackouts will come......Chiefs won't make as much money.......Carl will be out of a job.
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This sunday's game going to be blacked out?? I wan't to see Gonzo's celebration hehe
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It's obvious Herm wanted Tony gone, and Tony wanted out. Carl didn't do it. What game is Carl playing? Also suggests that the power hasn't completely shifted to Herm.
If Clark were really in Herm's corner, Tony gets traded. Interesting times. Somebody is going to lose his job, if not both. |
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No doubt, Carl knows a battle for employment may be looming. he's preparing to throw Herm under the bus, or to make him want out |
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No one was offering adequate compensation for Gonzalez. PERIOD. |
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But, I don't think it's the mediocrity that has spoiled everyone. Nobody is happy with mediocrity. It's the fact that when this team has been put in a position to succeed, in recent memory, (95, 97, 03) that it has fallen flat on its face. At least, that's what pisses me off. |
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You REALLY think this team is going to go 13 of the next 15 seasons with a losing record? |
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How do ppl know if Carl or Herm are going to lose their job?
It's all wishful thinking. Look at this organization? People who have followed them closely and known them for years how they operate. They hardly make changes. The Chiefs rarely fire ppl. Vermeil resigned. Schottemheimer the same. They were horrible in the 80's and still kept Steadman in the FO. Coincedence Carl is still here? Wouldn't surprise me if Herm is next year as well. |
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Are you defending this stupidity? Really? FAX |
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To top it off, they got beat reporters writing articles saying have firing coaches or managers doesn't help solve problems.
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But, relatively speaking, I think we're looking at 2-3 (not including this season) more years before this team is even competitive. You get way too worked up I've noticed. |
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When Marty took over, Okoye, Palmer, Alt, Maas, Dino Hackett, Deron Cherry, Lloyd Burrus, Albert Lewis, Mike Bell, Stephone Paige, Jonathon Hayes, Neil Smith, Steve DeBerg, Rich Baldinger, Carlos Carson, Nick Lowery, Kevin Porter, JC Pearson, Kevin Ross and Alfredo Roberts were all on the roster. Compare that to the Chiefs of 2006. Or 2007. Or 2008. |
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I can't wait for Clark to clean house either, but that doesn't mean I'm going to manipulate or ignore facts to try to make shallow points about why they should be fired. Objective posters are a dying breed around here... And BTW, I'm not calling you out. Talking in generalities. EDIT: Here's an example. The Nap Harris was cut thread. Almost every comment is something to the effect of "well, that was a waste of $12M" We all knew that LAST year. And the funny thing? Is it not a waste of $12M had he been KEPT on the roster? |
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The 2007 draft looks a lot better, by comparison. Tank, Turk, Bowe, Kolby, Taylor, etc. I just don't know how well those guys would fair on other teams. FAX |
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