I didn't realize you took the majority of snaps in preseason.

Isn't that close to the definition of insanity?

This is really only Herm's 2nd year. Carl wouldn't let Herm do this from the start. He made him play Dickie V ball for a year with Mike Solari filling in for Jesus. I'm not saying Herm should stay, I want him the whole front office cleaned out, but this is really only his 2nd year. All that said, deal with it. They're going to be around through 2009. Clark won't fire them. Even if they go 1-15.

We are going to agree to disagree on this.

If you are "rebuilding" you don't sign a 30+ yr old LB who is on their last legs. You don't sign a 30+ yr old tackle that can't play. You don't keep old farts like Welbourne, Turley and Kennison around.

They tried to plug holes and not really rebuild.

What they are doing this year is rebuilding.

No, it's his third year.

It's Herm's fault for not having the huevos to demand a rebuild (just like DV did) year one.

You know the guy, you took the job, demand YOUR team (Just like Marty, DV, and hell even Gun did.)

Looking back now Herm came in to manage a Pizza Hutt not to reinvent fine dining in his area. If you put off who you are and what you believe in for 2 years and then come out later and proclaim "THIS IS WHAT I WANT! THIS IS WHAT I'M ABOUT!" contrary to the two years before...

Well, don't be shocked when the theatre's empty...

I will never forget the episode that they are sitting around that table, talking about the QB's.. Curl wanted Croyle, Carl kept saying he wanted Huard, because he gives us the best chance to win now...

I was sick to my stomach when I watched that....

Ssshhhh, My noodle arm would resemble Huards....

Eh - Clark was already very well respected around the league before Lamar passed away.

Croyle was Herm's boy from the word go. He wanted Croyle to start but he was so ****ing gag-reflex terrible in the preseason there was no option.

Carl didn't force anything he just called an easy shot from the inside.

There's this odd dichotomy where Carl knows more than fans think about football and fans know more than Carl thinks they do about football...

Ron Edwards, McIntosh, can there be any other explanation?

Well Rausch, we wouldnt be in this situation with our QB's IF we would have started Croyle last year...

I think it has been said many of times, starting Huard wasted this franchise 2 years..

Well here we are.. Besides, who in the hell drafted and signed these QB's? They should be fired on that alone. You dont rebuild your franchise with a total youth movement, without a solid LT (which ours always seems like is hurt) and without a solid QB prospect behind center (which ours always seems like is hurt)..

Again, That alone should get you fired.

As for the article, another nail in Herm Edwards casket for me.

"It has nothing to do with me" - Herm Edwards

Bullsh*t Herm, EVERYTHING that happens on this team "has to do with you". Your the fucking head coach, you saw the situation when you started here, it's your job to manipulate it and fix it and win ... period.

You took the job knowing you'd be working under Carl Peterson and Hunt, you saw the roster and the situation before signing up. None of this should be a surprise to you, and none of it is an acceptable excuse. So take some god d*mned accountability and win.

FYP

People can sit and point the finger at Carl, but everybody forgets how conservative Herm is. Herm's #1 rule for QB's is don't turn the ball over. Croyle turned it over in preseason. Herm made comments following Thigpens game that he turned the ball over too many times. Herm was just as responsible as Carl was for all the playing time Huard has received the last two years.

And Huard turns the ball over....

So now we have 3 QB's on this roster that turn the ball over, a HC that hates turnovers and a offensive scheme that limits the ability to score in fear of turning the ball over...

This is for you Herm...

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Yes, we would.

We'd just be talking about how Croyle riding the bench last year hurt was due to our poo line and then carry that excuse into this year.

And, just wait, most will...

Huard does turn the ball over now. His first year with Herm I think he had 11 TDs to 1 INT. You can be sure that was in Herm's mind when he made his decisions.

Well we were a playoff team last year...

True, But at least we could of drafted a QB...

But we know how this all went down....

Having Herm as your HC is like picking on the reeruned kid that licks the windows... Its just not fair...

If we were going to hire the wrong guy this was the best wrong guy to hire.

Herm is Rain Man (the movie, not Kevin.)

He can pick all the winners he just doesn't have the first clue what to do with it all once he has it.

And I pray they can him after this year so some legit HC can take what he's assembled and properly utelize it...

I woud weep like a baby if Carl and Herm are both removed after this clusterchicken of a year...

I wouldnt know how to conduct myself, I wouldnt have anything to bitch about....

Of course you would.

Until there's a Lombardi on my ****ing local newspaper there will be a very pissed off under-height and over-weight kraut screaming drunk at the neighbors on monday AM...

Don't worry.

Clark will hire Marty to GM, and you'll have years of bitching ahead to look forward to.

Dear God Please no... KC has suffered enough....

If that happened, I would resign from Germ Warfare and start up Martha Warfare from day one....

I would continue the good fight to rid ourselves of mediocrity...

As a GM he'd be perfect.

Great eye of O line, D line, LB, CB talent without the ability to screw up the game with his horrible decision making.

Hell, I think he'd be a fan-****ing-tastic GM if he had a team of MU grads around to keep his math and cap on trac...

He's still an A-hole...

It sure beats the thought of turning into the Faiders with a revolving door of whipping boys.

I think you're out of your mind.

Carl Peterson ran those drafts and acquired free-agents for KC before 1997. We all know about the decisions that year (Perriman, Wayne Simmons, Andre Rison, "Mighty" Mouse and most notably, Grbac over Gannon).

He was fired in Washington for wanting personnel control.

He DID NOT make ONE decision in San Diego with regards to talent. That was all John Butler & AJ Smith.

As I mentioned in another thread, the Chiefs roster was LOADED with talent before Marty arrived. Neil Smith, Steve DeBerg, Christian Okoye, Stephone Paige, Carlos Carson, Bill Maas, Deron Cherry, Lloyd Burress, Albert Lewis, Kevin Ross, Dino Hackett, John Alt - the list goes on and on. Add in Derrick Thomas in 1989 and you've got a helluva football team.

Marty's a great regular season coach. And that's ALL he is.

:eek: Holy Shit, I actually agree with you on something..... :clap::clap::clap:

It's two differant categories really. Carl is the guy that has put all the pieces on the board. And quite frankly, his pieces suck sweaty donkey balls.

But Herm handles the day to day with the players. Herm handles the offensive and defensive philosophies. Herm over sees the development of the players. Herm is the one that makes the shitty game time play calls such as not going for a TD when you are inside the 10 and your team hasn't won shit 12 games and instead, settles for the field goal, and lack of any adjustments made to the game plan.

Make no mistake, Herm has done a wonderfully craptastic job with this team, and he does deserve to get the boot. But, who put him in the position to do this?

In my opinion, they both should be gone. And as I, and many more of you have said already. Clean house, from the top to the very bottom.

He's a good teacher as well, but everything else is dead on.

If Marty would bring back Raider Week, that would be good.

I fear, however, he would attempt to bang every girlfriend and wife associated with the clubhouse. It would increase the number of players asking for a trade 50 fold.

FAX

The reason he wants rid of the veterans is that they completely aren't buying in to the horrible coaching this team has endured. The rooks don't know any better plus it might buy him an extra year.

I agree with that theory, Mr. Dave Lane. It fits the facts as we know them and it's consistent with Herm's somewhat petulent attitude.

I've known a lot of guys like Herm through the years. Guys who bullshit their way into situations that are too big for them. Once there, the results are not and their reaction to accountability is similar to that of a teenager who's been caught doing something stupid ... they either lie or blame someone else for their difficulties or both.

Eventually, the string will run out on him, though. He can't keep changing the means whereby his work product is measured forever. Sooner or later, he has to field a winning football team or find other employment. The shame of it all is that he's actually being paid so much to learn on the job.

FAX

I agree, hope it happens.

I'm sorry, but Marty is a terrible talent evaluator.

Give him talent to work with, and he's a good teacher, but no way in hell do I ever want that dumbass picking players in the draft.

I am not going to share my whiskey with you....

His last couple years here in KC should tell you all you want about Marty...

His Monday Night Meltdown, Morris/Vanover drug ring/Car theft crap... Wayne Simmions... Starting Grbac over Gannon...

Jesus, Marty just scares the shit out of me...

Hell no to Marty. Lets get some new blood in this organization.

I thought the GM is supposed to pick who the HC/Scouts determine is the best on the board?

Just looking at the sample product in the last 20 years, Carl has remained the constant.

The HC has been the difference, and I really enjoyed this team until Marty became desperate at the end. The band of thugs was brought in towards the end of his tenure, in an act of desperation, the way I saw it.

As Dane has pointed out elsewhere, much of the talent that Marty worked with was already here.

There were some good draft picks along the way, but it's been pretty well documented how poorly this franchise drafted through the 90s, and while Carl has the final say, it's also pretty well documented that Carl selects based on his coach's voice.

And this team only remained competitive through free agency, and that isn't the way you build championship teams.

My God, can't we get term limits on GM's? Even Dubya's tyranny only lasted 8 years!

How about we don't.

Dude, who gives a **** you can write about the same stuff on this very site with others responding. Hence the purpose of internet BB's in general.

How 'bout you go **** yourself and we say we did?

:evil:

Because of his dad. He's gone. RIP

Everyone has to make their way. Everyone.

Says who?

This was my official thought on the TG thing and I stand by it. If anything it should be the other way around. Despite Carl being a useless piece of trash, this is on Herm.

Tell us how you really feel Little B....

I could write a novel....

HERM IS NEVER INNOCENT!!!!