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'Hamas' Jenkins 10-20-2008 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5136773)
I would bet my left arm Everson Griffen is better than any end on the Chiefs...and he's almost assured to be a top 5 pick whenever he enters the draft.

Moala could, it's a matter of if you like him more than Tyler I guess but even if you do that it's probably 6 guys. On offense...Sanchez, Havili, Damian Williams..O'Dowd to name a few would play right away.

Everson Griffen has the ability to be better than any DE on the Chiefs. He would not start right now.

You are talking about future returns versus performance right now.

Mecca 10-20-2008 08:48 PM

I bet he'd have more sacks than the Chiefs ends do after 6 games....there is no way he can suck as bad as Hali does, even right now as a true Sophomore.

ChiefsCountry 10-20-2008 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne (Post 5136783)
Can anybody find what happened when the College all stars played the SB Champs? I don't know where to look.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_All-Star_Game

Here you go Skippy.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-20-2008 08:55 PM

And those are THE BEST players in college at every position.

Skip Towne 10-20-2008 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5136798)

Thanks, buddy. It was 1963 I was thinking of that the college guys actually beat the Packers. Texas could for damn sure score on our shit defense. They just might get the ball and keep it.

tk13 10-20-2008 09:30 PM

You're smarter than this Hootie.

I don't think we'd win 100-0 necessarily, but it'd be a total blowout. The talent and coaching level is nothing in college compared to the NFL. Even for the national champs, like Texas. Greg Robinson succeeded with his 10 yards off the ball defense there. QB's don't have to make as many reads, WR's are much more open. Look at how many people bash Sam Bradford for that... and I'm not saying you're wrong, you could very well be right. But that's the college game, half the games OU plays their WR's are so good Bradford doesn't have to do much work. D-linemen like Dorsey can dominate just with their physical ability, Larry Johnson would still rush for 2000 yards and be unstoppable.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-20-2008 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5136506)
I don't think a college team would beat a pro team but at the same time I disagree with some of this...there are alot of guys on the Chiefs roster that were pretty marginal college players, especially offensively.

Also Texas has more than 15 guys on their team that will get the opportunity to lineup in the NFL. Not to mention college or not Brian Orakpo and Sergio Kindle are better pass rushers than guys on the Chiefs roster and would give them some issues.

They'd easily win but I doubt they'd score 90 points. If you wanted to compare NFL to college USC probably has the most NFL talent of any college team and even all of their guys aren't sure fire NFL guys. But I could probably name 5+ guys that could start on the Chiefs roster right now off that team.

BS

Mecca 10-20-2008 09:42 PM

Um Sergio Kindle is a ridiculous talent..he'll be a pretty high draft pick.

Skip Towne 10-20-2008 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5136809)
And those are THE BEST players in college at every position.

Yes they were. But they were playing the SB Champs. Not the Kansas City Turds. Texas would give the Chiefs all they wanted.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-20-2008 09:57 PM

tweener

Simply Red 10-20-2008 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5134794)
This should usually be an obvious answer...as Texas will probably have 10-15 players that currently play (whether they are freshmen, sophomores, juniors or seniors) drafted...so obviously KC will be the more talented team.

But with Thigpen at QB, and our coaching staff, would we be able to gameplan to beat Texas?

If so, how much do we win by?

This would be much more interesting than what we usually get on Sundays...

**** NO!

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-20-2008 09:57 PM

the dude sucks at LB

BigMeatballDave 10-21-2008 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5136717)
I'm pretty sure there are 15 starting NFL players on SC's roster.

LMAO ****ing Homer!
You cannot be this naive to think there are 15 starting NFL players on one college roster. You know how difficult it is to make it in the NFL. I'm going to assume you are joking...ROFL

Mecca 10-21-2008 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave (Post 5137437)
LMAO ****ing Homer!
You cannot be this naive to think there are 15 starting NFL players on one college roster. You know how difficult it is to make it in the NFL. I'm going to assume you are joking...ROFL

Ok I'm going to run through this..I won't count any true freshman because they haven't really played yet.

Mark Sanchez
Stanley Havili
Stafon Johnson
Damian Williams
Ronald Johnson
Kris O'Dowd
Everson Griffen
Fili Moala
Rey Maualuga
Brian Cushing
Taylor Mays

Now that's 11 guys who are pretty much all locks to be NFL starters. That doesn't include any of these guys who will make rosters and some will start and some won't..

Charles Brown
Butch Lewis
Jeff Byers
Kaluka Maivaia
Kevin Ellison
Cary Harris
Shareece Wright
CJ Gable
Vidal Hazelton
Patrick Turner

And this doesn't include McKnight who I'm pretty sure will play in the NFL as something.

So yea I'll stand by 15.

Hootie 10-21-2008 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 5136887)
You're smarter than this Hootie.

I don't think we'd win 100-0 necessarily, but it'd be a total blowout. The talent and coaching level is nothing in college compared to the NFL. Even for the national champs, like Texas. Greg Robinson succeeded with his 10 yards off the ball defense there. QB's don't have to make as many reads, WR's are much more open. Look at how many people bash Sam Bradford for that... and I'm not saying you're wrong, you could very well be right. But that's the college game, half the games OU plays their WR's are so good Bradford doesn't have to do much work. D-linemen like Dorsey can dominate just with their physical ability, Larry Johnson would still rush for 2000 yards and be unstoppable.

I know, I made this thread as kind of a 'hungover I hate Herm' thread...

I realize, like Hamas said, 53/53 beats 15/90 and Waters would cave in an entire defensive line by itself...

I'm just embarrassed by our current roster...I was so disheartened after last game I was about ready to hit something when I was talking in the game thread and I'm never like that...I couldn't believe how friggin' ridiculous our gameplan was...how bad our players are...how bad our pass rush is...how bad our tackling is...how bad our line is...how bad our QB's are...

I've never felt like this before...I was ok with the direction we were headed but when my favorite team shows absolutely nothing week in and week out during my favorite time of the year, it's gut wrenching.

I can think of absolutely NO positives so far this year...

Our 'franchise' QB played a total of 3 quarters this season.
Our best player isn't allowed at Arrowhead for the time being.
Tony Gonzalez was almost traded.
Glenn Dorsey isn't being coached very well.
Tamba Hali is still playing RE for some reason.
The Chiefs have 3 sacks as a team.
We still run, run, pass, punt...(I count a 2 yard quick pass as a run)
Chan Gailey < Mike Solari

They have to can Herm, his staff, and Peterson, and the front office...

It HAS to be done. For the fans. We deserve it.

TEX 10-21-2008 07:17 AM

Every year it seems that this question gets asked. And every year, the answer is the same in that the worst NFL team (Chiefs) would in fact beat the best college team (Texas). However, ther is no doubt in my mind that Mac Brown would easily out coach Herm Edwards during the game.

jidar 10-21-2008 08:32 AM

There has never been, and never will be, a college team that could beat a modern NFL team. Any modern NFL team.

jidar 10-21-2008 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5137465)
Ok I'm going to run through this..I won't count any true freshman because they haven't really played yet.

Mark Sanchez
Stanley Havili
Stafon Johnson
Damian Williams
Ronald Johnson
Kris O'Dowd
Everson Griffen
Fili Moala
Rey Maualuga
Brian Cushing
Taylor Mays

Now that's 11 guys who are pretty much all locks to be NFL starters. That doesn't include any of these guys who will make rosters and some will start and some won't..

Charles Brown
Butch Lewis
Jeff Byers
Kaluka Maivaia
Kevin Ellison
Cary Harris
Shareece Wright
CJ Gable
Vidal Hazelton
Patrick Turner

And this doesn't include McKnight who I'm pretty sure will play in the NFL as something.

So yea I'll stand by 15.

Uh.. no.. just no.

Has there been a college team with even 10 players who eventually all started in the NFL? I mean legit starters, not backups who got a few games.

Rausch 10-21-2008 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5137480)
I know, I made this thread as kind of a 'hungover I hate Herm' thread...

It's the only kind of threads I seem to support lately.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5137480)
They have to can Herm, his staff, and Peterson, and the front office...

It HAS to be done. For the fans. We deserve it.

It should NEVER be OK for this type of football to be played in Arrowhead.

NEVER.

mylittlepony 10-21-2008 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jidar (Post 5137704)
Uh.. no.. just no.

Has there been a college team with even 10 players who eventually all started in the NFL? I mean legit starters, not backups who got a few games.

Agreed no way 11 players are locks, thats proposturous.

With that said the 2001 Hurricanes had:

Najeh Davenport, PIT
Clinton Portis, WAS (1 probowl)
Jeremy Shockey, NO (4 probowls)
Andre Johnson, HOU (2 probowls)
Bryant McKinnie, MIN
D.J. Williams, DEN
Ed Reed, BAL (4 probowls)
Jonathan Vilma, NO
Frank Gore, SF (1 probowl)
Willis McGahee, BAL (1 probowl)

And probably some guys who got good playing time in the league.

Chief Pote 10-21-2008 09:41 AM

The Chiefs could barely beat their own meat.

gblowfish 10-21-2008 10:21 AM

They might beat North Texas...

dj56dt58 10-21-2008 10:22 AM

you guys are forgetting one small thing...Herm

Texas wins


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