No. It shouldn't have been. These guys were playing fine...and you expect one or two players to drop off...but everyone?!? No. Roaf ditching made it even worse. Half-assed rear-view punditry is easy. Nobody was sounding this alarm that was actually taken seriously. Everything was hindsight.

Edit: Oh...and the stupid change in offensive system only made the problem worse...that probably wouldn't have been as devastating otherwise.

There is no reason in the nfl you should ever get blown out this bad 2 or 3 times. Rebuilding or not, you should have hit or coached up some of your draft talent to atleast show some fight. You sure as hell shouldn't give up 300 yards rushing if your a ****ing defensive coach. Carl, Herm, Clark seem to be opposite pages on what the hell to do. That is not rebuilding. That is one big circle jerk. Fans would be alittle more understanding if they just come out and say they are playing the youngest possible QB's and such to see what they have and evaluate. Instead they feed us this bullshit like the atlanta game that Thigpen gives you the best chance to win. This franchise sucks at everything, They can't draft, can coach, can't game plan, can't game manage, You would think they would be able to motivate, but this team quits on a any time they are down. They suck at signing free agents, they resign ****ing thugs who spit in womans faces, the training staff can't keep anyone healthy, and when they get hurt it takes longer and they aren't strong when they come back, they can't pull the trigger on the trades that should be made, hell they can't even get people in and out of the damn staduim in a decent manor without being assholes. So save your I THOUGHT YOU WERE READY FOR REBUILD?!?!?! Happy horseshit

Solid rant, you must not be stoned this early in the am...:clap:

Before the talent retired you still had to be able to spot it, sign/trade/draft it, and play it.

This team has gone from the stupid of all FA/Trade to all Draft/Youth.

Suck and failure is the result of both. A healthy balance is what builds a franchise and winner.

Balance, balance, balance. On offense, defense, and hopefully one day in general management...

While Carl has sucked in the draft almost 90% of the time, we actually have one example of a responsible rebuild within the history of the 90's Chiefs. In '97, we turned over the offense and defense and the team sucked at first...but improved throughout the year and eventually went to the playoffs off a 13-3 record. They didn't ditch all the vets...but kept winning vets to compliment the younger talent and it worked out.

Of course, they followed up that season with the melt-down the next year which ended in Marty's departure...but I remember at the time, this is the way a rebuild should be handled.

I realized it, that is one reason why I was against this from the beginning. After following this team for almost 4 decades, I had put it in a comfort zone. At least I got to enjoy more Sundays than not.

I would have probably been more in favor of it, if the team had true leader at the helm. Herm showed lack of leadership from almost day one, when he started putting things down, that some of us fans held dear. He showed from the outset, everything is about Herm's ego.

If the HC was someone that young players will follow, not despise, I would be more sold on the rebuild. The entire coaching staff, except for Gailey, is so inept, they are comedic.

Too late now, Herm has gutted the team and it's respect. He has trashed the proud history, and even eliminated the Arrowhead mistique.

On the bright side, we have had a lot of nice Sundays so far this fall, so outdoor activities are still an option.

The solution is to get a true leader at the helm, and I think a lot of these young guys could make an excellent football team.

All so true. We need a coach that can lead...lead the team and be a leader for the city's fans. The mystiqe and attitude needs to return. You can't come to our house without having your teeth kicked in. We should be making teams cry as they leave KC. I'm so tired of having a coach that doesn't care about these things...

No, I wasn't clear. I see now, through hindsight, that the rebuild should have started a year earlier. I think it's fair for those who were calling for a rebuild earlier to criticize Carl for hanging on to the veteran team for that last year, but I wasn't one of them so I'm not going to criticize on that count.

Food for thought: Firing Carl and/or Herm after one real rebuilding year will be a discouragement to future Chiefs GMs and coaches to pull that rebuilding trigger. I think it makes sense to give them a second year.

Don't forget DJ, they already traded away Jared Allen.

You are WRONG!

Losing is winning!

Rebuilding is trading talent!

Apathy is happiness!

No way. A legit GM ain't gonna' be running scared from day one. A legit GM will be arrogant enough to believe he's better than Carl (and 90% of the possible GM's would be correct in this belief). These guys don't get to where they are in the NFL world by being timid about their abilities to do more than their predecessor. I don't buy this argument. Carl/Herm are horrible and most new GM's/Coaches will believe they are better.

I agree, that probably pisses me off more than anything. He basically dismisses all the tradition and rivalries this team has built over the years. Calling the best offense the team ever had, a "Circus Offense," was only the beginning.
Not caring any more about beating Oakland, than Houston, is another unforgivable slight. Beating Oakland is job #1!!!

Another problem I have with the Chiefs "Rebuilding" mentality is I'm so tired of us drafting players, working with them, and then either giving up on them in a few seasons and cutting them, then hearing them making waves for another team, or seeing them turn into studs and want out. And this isn't just under Herm.


It almost feels like we are a farm club for the rest of the NFL

As I mentioned on another thread, statistically we are one of the worst teams in the NFL in the last 10 years, and the coaches of those other horrid teams never turned it around. To be as bad as we are indicates systematic incompetence throughout the organization.

Regarding rebuilding in general -- there is no rebuild, there is draft well or not draft well.

I'm really tired of all the rebuild completely through the draft crap too. You still have to pursue young FAs to fill holes in this league.
A team should be damn near a complete rebuild in three seasons in today's NFL.
Good drafting paired with good FA signings is how it is done.
I'm not sayin we should go out, and sign a bunch of over the hill FAs, but you must have depth, and you must pursue quality players any way you can.

Herm is rebuilding this sucker for somebody else. Its plain and simple. Somebody is going to walk into a gold mine of talent.

The "talent" remains to be seen.