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My God mecca, when are you going to learn to stop making up lies to support your argument?

You have some interesting thoughts at times, but you lose all credibility when you go back to lying.

never try and make a career change to nfl scout.

Ha HA ! Hell Mecca, if you don't have any evidence to support your argument, just make shit up. It works for Chiefzilla.

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thats ridiculous. Huge differences.

Yeah, I'd say so.

Typical.

My favorite is when he says "All these people who say X, Y and Z..."

Then you ask him to find one post of somewhat saying X, Y and Z, and he disappears from the thread.

Just like he did on this one when his hand was caught in the cookie jar...

once again lying, ROFL

Is that a boodle arm? Or possibly a noodzoka? Kind of like a boogle mix breed dog?

It looks like "select your gas station attendant"-day to me...:spock::evil:

:shake:

Dang. Smoked.

The 185 mark just sounded like bullshit, huh?

Sure I got that wrong, just like other people get things wrong at times it happens. He obviously was not a big guy look at the picture you posted...

I don't really have any issues saying I quickly threw out a number I thought was close.

Yep, we need Defense, Defense, Defense

Not going all Whitlock here but I'm starting to like the sound of this Nate Davis. If the Chiefs can get him with their 3rd round pick I'd be ecstatic.

Nate Davis Profile:

Nate Davis, QB, Ball State

Davis (the son of Bellaire, Ohio) is probably the next best QB to come out of the small school ranks. He started seven of twelve games as a true freshman in 2006, while completing 150 out of 245 passes for 1,975 yards with 18 TD and 8 INT. In 2007, Davis posted 3,667 yards worth of passing on 270 out of 478 attempts with 30 TD and just 6 INT -- he played his best against the best. Against the once powerful Nebraska Blackshirt defense, Davis took them for 422 yards and three TD. He was named the teams' Most Valuable Player after the season.

Davis has it all. A big frame, powerful arm, and accuracy to go along with them. He is athletic enough to buy time with his leg, and he goes through his progressions with relative ease. Check his second and third options rather regularly. He is a leader who takes command of the huddle. However, he lacks experience, his throwing motion needs refinement and his footwork needs more development.


Davis, a junior, is a rare physical specimen. He is a true NFL product. If he declares, and all indications points towards that, he would be highly sought after by many teams.

He is a second round talent who, with a great last two months of the season, could sneak into the later stages of the first round. Davis will be a starter in the NFL by 2010.

Davis decided over 3 weeks ago to return to Ball State for his senior season.

Possibility he changes his mind with the recent coaching change.

Davis lost his coach...I believe he will change.

I did not really believe that it was humanly possible to be this stupid.

I'm off to the film room, but feel free in my absence to start laying the ground work for a case, so Mr. Davis can enter the Insane Asylum with quality representation.

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Originally Posted by the_spatula (Post 5320041) the QB class is not strong enough this year... I don't like stafford as much as a lot of other people do. Although, if we drafted bradford, you wouldn't hear me complain too much. but I say OL/DL for the first pick

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 5320105) I don't see much of a difference between Stafford, Bradford, Sanchez and Tebow. I say draft 1 of them at the top of the 2nd as I doubt all four will be picked by then.

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5320110) I might draft a QB, but I wouldn't go there with my #1.

We are absolutely stacked to the rafters on this one, as you can clearly see.

Well, the initial observation breaks down as follows:

His control of the pocket and peripheral vision are very good; he tends to lead more than he get's forced.

His ability to make hay on the move is outstanding.

His passes/spirals are anything but pretty, but they're quick and they find their target more often than not.
Current ESPN stats show him at a 66% completion rate.

There's not a lot of quality footage on Davis, but even if you watch the opposing teams highlights of Davis getting trucked( I could only find one, which is a good thing ), it's very apparent that the kid is tough and does not fold.
A good showing at the Combine could change the landscape for Nate in a big way.

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If Detroit passes on Stafford then pick him. If they don't pass on him then go OT. Hopefully we get the 2nd pick and Smith is there, he would make a great RT. I don't think the DE's are good enough for a top 3 pick.

All this Tebow talk makes me wonder if he could be a good fullback one day? prefect size for a FB, but does he have the mentality or will for it? I know hes damn tough, but i dont see him becoming a good QB either.

You don't use top 5 picks on right tackles....it's a reeruned idea and reeruned to even bring up.

I'm guessing your the resident asshole around here? You could have respectively disagreed and gave reasons why. But I guess there's always got to be one on every board. I'm not the one who makes up lies to back up their points, so you should be the last person throwing the "reeruned" word around.

It's been discussed 852 times I lose my patience after the 100th time.

I haven't read through this, but is someone talking about using a first round pick(top three for that matter) on a RT again?

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Let me get this straight, a RT is worth a top three pick but a RE(one of the most important positions on a defense) isn't?

Look I understand at times positional value can be overrated but if the guy was a OT worth a top 5 pick guess what...he's a LT.

If you don't like the DE's please pick another position, you'd be better off with Taylor Mays than taking a RT.

Honestly if we drafted a OT in the top three I would play him at LT even if we drafted Albert the first. If Albert can't play RG then move him back to LG like he played in college. I'm sure Waters could handle RG or even C. If waters played C then we could try Niswanger out at RG for a year.

Well I just joined, obviously wasn't here for that. I stated an opinion, and maybe it was off-base, I don't know everything. I come to places like these to hear different viewpoints and learn. A quick answer wouldn't kill ya, or just ignore me.

It's fine.....if you really think it's a good idea you can explain it out, I just don't think it would be a good idea, unless of course your QB was left handed.

Albert has done a very good job there's no reason to burn another really high pick on another LT, unless you are going to hire a coach who thinks running 5 WR's out into the pattern every play and going minimum protection is how you play offense so you need a dominant lineman and 2 outstanding OT's.

A-****ingMen.

Taking the best player, even at RT isn't such a bad idea.

Some of the top teams and up and coming teams in the AFC (Pitt, NE, Balt, Miami, Chargers) play out of a 3-4. They bring pressure from their OLB's on both sides of the line.

Other top 4-3 teams now have good rushers on both ends (Tennesse and Indy). Since the NFL is a copy cat league more teams will try to follow the NYG example and put good pass rushers on both sides of the ball.

It isn't really a case of "just stop Jared Allen on right side" and we don't have to worry too much about the left.

IF a franchise QB or DE isn't available and the next highest rated player is a RT, it isn't such a bad idea.

Except if you go that route the RT would be a much better LT prospect than our current LT, and I'm not saying Albert is bad at all.

Smith will be the first OT off the board and would play LT. Albert would be moved to RT or Guard. You would have one of the best tackle tandems in football for the next 12 years. Other then QB, I think this would be the way to go if you draft on the offensive side of the ball.

Our next number goes out to all those wacky Big 12 QB and Tebow-drafting ****tards...
And-a 1, 2, 3, 4:

You can go to school,
So you don't look the fool,
Go Now!
(note Manning-esque Happy Feet, and keep those eyes on 1:14)

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Better resolution, eyes at 2:20. USC lost this game due to a pick six on Mark's part, but what we're concerned about here is technique, form, accuracy, mobility, and rocket-arm.
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Thigpen has proved that the Chiefs offense can score points. What they need in the draft and free agency more than anything are stud defensive players - linebackers and forces on the D-line. Other than Sam Bradford, I don't see anyone I'd go with in the first round at this point.

I would not move Albert under any circumstances at all. I mean, goddamn, he literally dominated Joey Porter. It seemed like Porter never showed up.

And honestly, I can remember at least 3 sacks that he may have given up during his time here (There could be more, but I'm just basing it off of my head). That's pretty damn impressive for a rookie. And on top of that, he did miss all or at least the majority of training camp.

So, that being said, I would not move Albert under any circumstances at all.

I'm having a real problem here. Lets say we get the 2nd pick and no one will likely want to trade up to get that pick..

WTF do we take??

or what position? with that high of a pick, its got to be an impact guy, and I can't imagine we'll go DT or OT with a pick that high.. so what position would we take!?

I've been around and around on this board several times regarding this. It's not the ideal situation. It just depends on how highly you value Smith compared to who else is sitting there when you draft. Would I love to see the next Peppers there when we draft, sure, but it doesn't look like that is the case right now. I would rather have the sure thing at LT, then reach for a defensive guy.

I really really am starting to hope that we can find a trade partner to trade down the draft for more picks...

I'm assuming Detroit will have to take the best QB available... and if we aren't sold on the next best.. wtf do we take?

is Orakpo that big of a reach? you never take a MLB that high, but Maulauga would be nice in the mid of the defense..

too many spots to fill

I wouldn't rule any position out, except maybe RB. I think think with so many holes you take the best player available.

BPA even if the BPA is an OT? or WR?

I agree with BPA as a good measure for most of the draft.. but I agree with most of the board that an OT or Crabtree would be a waste that high when its one of the few positions we don't NEED desperately

but I can't think of any other players that would be a high enough value at the 2nd pick

You hear the names and see the early rankings, but after the combine you will see different names at the top of the draft rankings. There might be someone there worthy of taking at a postion we need. It really doesn't hurt to have 2 ProBowl Tackles, or 2 Pro-Bowl WR's though. You would then have a major strength on your team. It also depends on what happens in free agency. It's just too early to predict a player, although if 1 QB slips I think you have to pencil him in.

Yes.

I wouldn't consider the following positions in the top 5: guard, center, fullback, kicker, punter.

Conveniently (?WTF?), we need everything else, some more than others.

Solution: draft the individual that you think is the elite talent with the most upside. If that's a T, cool. A WR, cool. A DB, cool. A QB, cool (and ideally the best option). A D-lineman, cool. A RB (not going to happen in this year's draft), cool, I suppose, though this is by far my least favorite. AP is pretty darn good, though.

I disagree.

I'd go top 5 pick on any OLman worthy of the rank. I'd argue that the interior guys are worth more on a good running team. They do most of the work for the RBs. The tackles are more for passing. Depends on your needs. You can bet that Titans and Giants think their guys are top 5 worthy.

haha, SO shocked a guy like Mecca didnt do research on that before he posted. Mecca is slippin!

32nd ranked defense. Worst Defensive line in the History of the NFL. Cant stop anyone. Gives every team they play a careeer day, and we went to draft offense.

DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE!

Our defense is loaded with high picks and they still suck. You gotta take BPA at a value worthy position.

Well, according to some this Orakpo or whatever guy is going to be pretty damned good. I am all with that. Even if we dont pick him, there isnt another QB to take with the 2nd or 3rd pick. I dont believe Stafford is going to be there.

We have so many more needs in so many areas. The offense isn't really the proble. We need a better pass rush - that is the one thing that will improve the play of our secondary. Hali isn't a bad second choice, but we need a franchise DE, and I'm convinced Orakpo is the guy we need. Take the best OL/LB available in the second round. Grab Chase Daniel in the 3rd (I think he'll still be there, and in as much as I'm a Jayhawk, he's a helluva competitor).

All of this speculation is pretty premature until we see if the Chiefs make any moves in the offseason going after free agents. For all I know, Herm gets canned and the new GM and Coach become serious players during the free agency period. I have my doubts, as everything Clark seems to be saying reinforces my belief that Clark is going to keep Herm around for another year.

I would love to have Orakpo,, but I'm just thinking its a stretch with the 2nd or 3rd pick; its not like he's Julius Peppers

what I would really like us to get is a freaking leader on Defense.. can't say I care what the position is. we have NO leadership on D

The offense may still be a big problem. Can we run out of a pro set? Can we pass block out of it?

So who else that high? If not Orakpo then who? We dont need a RB, WR,DT or CB imo. At least not that high.

My concern on University of Texas players is that they haven't developed well when they have been drafted.

The team needs help at every single position.

Right now I like

Stafford
Bradford
Smith

as potential "special" players.

Can say that about every team, even the best teams, but there is a order of importance you have to fix more then others.

The Giants and Titans don't have a player they used a 1st round pick on, on their offensive lines, so come again?

i would take bradford or stafford if they they come out, this is the highest we are going to be drafting awhile. We are going to add some pieces on defense and Oline through FA and the draft and even if we have thigpen playing qb we are going to be 7-9 at worst next year. That is unless we have herm back. Then we will win no more than 5

I think Chase patton will get drafted before daniel

you know who tebow reminds me of? Kris wilson

How about this scenario:

1. Detroit - Sam Bradford
2. St Louis - Andre Smith

The Chiefs with the 3rd pick trade down with Miami at 20th picking up the Dolphins 2nd round pick this year & 1st round pick next year. Draft an impact defensive player with the 20th pick & another with the 34th pick...draft Nate Davis with the Dolphins 52th pick?

Oh Penz...time for a reminder:

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/n...r/4f4cd5ba.png

You just had Matt Stafford not go with the 1st 2 and want to trade down, do you want to die?

That was the point of my scenario.

A team this bad dropping down to 20 isn't a good idea either.

You guys are splitting hairs-until we see the combine numbers, Stafford going in the top 5 is pure speculation, if he even comes out. Besides that Stafford isn't the only QB in the upcoming draft, contrary to popular belief. I've never seen so much fixation on a player because of their prototypical size.

Chase Daniel is a helluva a competitor, and he'd make a great QB in the land of Oz for the Munchkins.

We dropped out of the NFL and went "Arena"?

Unless there is pressure, then he folds like a chair... Dude threw pick after pick during the second half of the season... Hell he couldnt even beat the Jayhawks...

And that ALONE is reason for "kick ass to the curb" in my book.

Pinkel too. If you can't beat Pasta The Hutt and his Short-Bus Ewoks; get the **** OUTTA' MY HOUSE!:D

I'd be okay with that too -- those big trades never seem to happen anymore though...

I'd keep Thigpen and the spread (and Gailey). This offense and Thigpen are good enough to win with an average defense. With more time hopefully he gets better. If he doesn't then you pick up a QB in 2010.

Does anybody know what the success rate of 1st round QB's is? I mean, some of the best QB's in the league are deep round picks, or even undrafted. The Chiefs will have much better return on the 1st pick investment if they target a freak LB, DE, or DT, then pick up a QB in the 3rd or 4th round.

I was wondering how many Heisman winners turn out to be busts in the NFL myself...

Ricky Williams comes to mind.

Which is the problem, Thigpen is good enought to win some with this gimmick but won't make it any farther than the regular season or a 1st round shutdown loss.

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