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Craqhead 12-23-2008 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by John_Wayne (Post 5323057)
Cowher for HC = YES!

Marty for GM = Meh.

NO

NO

Sure-Oz 12-23-2008 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Craqhead (Post 5323595)
NO

NO

Even a crack head can figure it out

aturnis 12-23-2008 03:19 PM

Pioli is the V.P. of player personnel. Not the G.M. If he was, they'd need to label him that, and pay him that dough. Until then, he's fair game.

DMAC 12-23-2008 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 5323349)
Maybe he meant he'll have strong input on the NEW coach, because Herm"s ass is gone. I know, I'm just lying to myself to make me feel good.

Makes perfect sense to me. If Clark doesnt want Herm, as he shouldn't, his ass WILL be gone on Monday.

I think it should be obvious to any Owner/GM/President/Dog/Inanimate Object, that Herm should not be here regardless of who is hired.

dirk digler 12-23-2008 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5323445)
Pats have ARGUED it. Not sure it's true, but they have argued that they will need comp to have him.

Interesting.

His official title is VP - Player Personnel so I would imagine GM would be the higher title.:shrug:

Also from the Pats own website from earlier this year with Pioli in a press conference

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http://www.patriots.com/news/index.c...d=30721&pcid=0

on why he has not left New England despite numerous opportunities)
"This is a good situation. We're winning football. Because of what my title is, people have a perception. I know how things go inside. I'm happy with the situation (and) the way things are right now. We're up for our fourth Super Bowl (and) we've been here eight years. It's a pretty good situation."
(on temptations of leaving)
"They're been questions and temptations, (but) so far this is where that I wanted to be."

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-23-2008 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5323052)
I have a feeling after each ensuing debacle, Herm will be let go before the new GM is here...

Otherwise he wouldnt of told his asst coaches to start looking elsewhere. That is unless, Herm is getting ready for some serious bus chucking in an attempt to save his own weasel ass...

That would never happen. You're dreaming.

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 5323493)
Is this a race or something? I know we all clamor to get news every minute of the day but man. I'd rather he took his time. This is a 20 year decision - not a 20 day one. Let it marinate, dude.

Sanity.

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell (Post 5323237)
Why?

It endangers the "Stafford Connection".

cabletech94 12-23-2008 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5323468)
You are incorrect. In general, if the person is under contract, then you can't hire them away without giving comp unless it's a promotion, which in the case of GMs means they move from a position in which they do not have final say on all personnel matters to one in which they do have final say.

You can't resign when you're under contract.

Not trying to be a jerk here, but didn't King Carl resign (under contract)?
I may have missed something though. He may have *resigned*, but was really fired. That may be my perception tho.

bishop_74 12-23-2008 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cabletech94 (Post 5323978)
Not trying to be a jerk here, but didn't King Carl resign (under contract)?
I may have missed something though. He may have *resigned*, but was really fired. That may be my perception tho.

Clark accepted his resignation and still has to pay him.

Boris The Great 12-23-2008 06:25 PM

There is a lot of misinformation in this thread.

The Colts have not denied Chris Polian permission to interview with teams for GM type jobs. They cant deny him permission to interview if the job is a promotion. Polian himself has personally declined to interview for jobs, including Atlanta last year. But that was his decision, not the Colts. A few years ago Polian interviewed for some jobs with teams that werent even as high on the totem poll as the GM position. The Colts cant stop him from talking to people unless the job is a lateral move.

Same with Pioli. Pioli has turned down an offer from Seattle, and turned down a chance to interview with the Giants. But the Patriots did not refuse him from talking to those teams. Pioli decided not to himself.

Neither Polian or Pioli is a GM and neither has full control over a team. The Pats and Colts could not stop either guy from talking to the Chiefs. But Polian and Pioli themselves can decline to be interviewed, or they can be interviewed and decline the job.

Mecca 12-23-2008 06:27 PM

Polian actually interviewed with Atlanta, they told him he had to keep some of the front office people that were already there and stuff like that, basically saying he couldn't have all of his people in every spot.

Shortly after he withdrew his name from consideration.

FloridaMan88 12-23-2008 06:30 PM

If your hoping the next GM is Scott Pioli (which I am) then root for either the Dolphins to win, or the Patriots to lose so the Patriots are out of the playoffs and the Chiefs can get their hands on Pioli quicker.

Mecca 12-23-2008 06:31 PM

The Dolphins will probably win with how the Jets are playing right now.

Boris The Great 12-23-2008 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5324290)
Polian actually interviewed with Atlanta, they told him he had to keep some of the front office people that were already there and stuff like that, basically saying he couldn\'t have all of his people in every spot.

Shortly after he withdrew his name from consideration.

Polian never officially interviewed with Atlanta. The talk about not having full control was one of the many things that came out about Arthur Blank and his interview process, including that he supposedly wanted the candidates to take IQ tests during the interview. Blank also involved 9 or 10 other front office people in the interviews, which people thought was crazy because if any of those guys wanted the GM job for themselves they would likely try to sabotage the other candidates.

The rumors of not having control might have been part of why Polian pulled out, but he never officially sat down to hear it from Blanks mouth.

bowener 12-23-2008 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5323043)
They said on 810 yesterday that "inside sources" were telling them Herm could be fired as early as Monday.

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eazyb81 12-23-2008 09:05 PM

I'm not sure where you guys are getting your info on Polian, but this recent article says Irsay, the Colts owner, didn't give permission to Atlanta and two other teams to interview him for the GM job. It looks pretty clear that he's going to takeover control of the Colts once his dad steps down.

http://www.ibj.com/html/detail_page.asp?content=14243

FringeNC 12-23-2008 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5324718)
I'm not sure where you guys are getting your info on Polian, but this recent article says Irsay, the Colts owner, didn't give permission to Atlanta and two other teams to interview him for the GM job. It looks pretty clear that he's going to takeover control of the Colts once his dad steps down.

http://www.ibj.com/html/detail_page.asp?content=14243

Interesting read, but I think what happened is that Irsay convinced Polian not to interview by promising him the GM position.

Here's a quote from last year:

"NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports Falcons owner Arthur Blank's interview request was turned down by Colts assistant GM Chris Polian. "

Boris The Great 12-23-2008 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5324718)
Im not sure where you guys are getting your info on Polian, but this recent article says Irsay, the Colts owner, didn\'t give permission to Atlanta and two other teams to interview him for the GM job.

It doesnt actually say he didnt give permission. And it wouldnt say that because Irsay has no say over it. As mentioned before, teams cannot prevent their employees from interviewing for higher level jobs. In fact, Polian did interview for at least one of those jobs that was mentioned, the one with San Francisco. He just didnt take it.

What the article says is that Irsay swatted away the attempts by other teams to lure Polian, which could be taken several ways. And since it cant mean that he didnt allow permission, it likely means he did various things to keep Polian with the Colts (raise, promotion, so on).

reiko57 12-23-2008 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 5323072)
Ahh...yeah, I'd forgotten about that. Still, I haven't ever figured out what a team's motivation would be to give another team permission in the first place. I'd think that would be a big distraction if they're in the middle of a playoff run.

what do front office guys have to do with playoff games?

dirk digler 12-24-2008 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Boris The Great (Post 5324284)
There is a lot of misinformation in this thread.


Neither Polian or Pioli is a GM and neither has full control over a team. The Pats and Colts could not stop either guy from talking to the Chiefs. But Polian and Pioli themselves can decline to be interviewed, or they can be interviewed and decline the job.

You're wrong on this. If they are under contract the club can deny permission. They changed the rules this year at the owner's meetings.

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Basically, after the regular season ends, the Lions can request permission to interview anyone who doesn’t have full control over personnel decisions with his team. But the candidate’s team has the right to deny permission. (If the team gives permission to one team to interview a person, it must give permission to every team that asks.)


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