You act like Thigpen is somehow Bruce Gradkowski. He's gone through his rookie growing pains this year; you really think stafford or Bradford is going to step in, run a power-I offence and do even half as good as Thigpen?

There is the very real possibility they could do much better.

I'm somewhere in the middle on this subject but 710 doesn't carry sports-talk and I can't stand K-shartstarter-K. I think he deserves a shot at backup if we can draft a Joe Montana but I don't know that there's one out there. But I definitely think we should use our first pick to find out, IF Detroit and St. Louis haven't already taken him (whomever that may be).

Regardless i remember you were all for giving Herm a chance at the time. WE all thought Herm was giogn to get his say so and that Gun was just his puppet. I think alot of fans though, Herm would be the real DC of the team. It just didnt happen for whatever reasons.

This defense needs fixing in the worst way. I cant stand giving up 38 points. Shit pisses me off.

The problem with that is Herm has never been a DC.

There you go. My biggest concern at this point is not the players on the team, it is the losing mentality. I worry these guys no longer know how to win a ball game. This is also the number 1 reason why everyone from Herm on down needs to go.

DE:
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Fence:
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There is also the more probable in that they will stink it up their first few years like most QB's. I remember Eli not doing oh so well his first couple years. Leinart is not lighting it up at all. Flaco is benefiting from a running game and solid defense, which Thigy could do just as well. Ryan is about the only QB to come out and do good his 1st year.

All the QB's you mention would out play thiggy in the spread.....just sayin

And is next year what we are playing for here?

They might. And they should considering the expectation of such. The fact is Thigy's first year was no worse than a lot of 1st round picks. The question is consistency and getting him under center. Unfortunately for the Chiefs that means having an O-line who can block in an under center style offense. We do not have that line.

The bottom line is this:

Thigpen deserves a chance to compete for the starting job in camp. He earned that this year.

He did NOT earn the starting job.

He must compete with our first-round pick.

Thigpen is not good enough to warrant passing on a quarterback.

Yes! This is the NFL, not ML baseball. With FA and the salary cap, there is no reason teams in the NFL cannot go from having a bad season to being in the playoffs the next.

Miami sure turned it around in a hurry. And other teams seem to be able to play for the current year and still build for the future at the same time. It is time the Chiefs start doing just that.

I agree and disagree. I am not convinced we need to draft a QB in the first round. But I do not think we ink Thigy as THE starter. But I want him to get a fair shot regarldless of who we draft or sign.

baltimore then and this year might just be baltimore again, just to name one

how injury prone was Trent Green when he played for us? the o line STILL got him killed

Uh, why not?

If there's a guy there who you think is a franchise QB, you take him. There's no reason not to. Thigpen isn't good enough to pass on any player who might be a franchise QB.

again baltimore is in the mix most years as is pittsburgh AND tampa bay all on their defense

Cause we need help everywhere else! A franchise QB isn't going to keep the other team from scoring. A franchise QB isn't going to set a record for the least amount of sacks. We have tried the "out score them" plan and it didn't work.

Thigy played well enough to win several of his starts if we had a defense to protect the lead. And if we had a RB who could pick up 1 ****ing yard when we need it to keep the drives going.

QB is still the most important position.

A better QB and we might have won 5 or 6 games this year.

explanation? maybe in the weeks we scored less the other team's defense was better than the weeks we scored more.
You keep acting like the offense scored less BECAUSE the defense gave up less points, IMO thats not the case, those defenses were better that the others LOOK IT UP

a better defense and we would have won 8 so which is better 5-6 or 8?

AND there is the very real possibility they could do worse

Cincy does not have a better defense than Miami does especially when half of their starters didn't play.

Are we still talking about the Chiefs? The 32nd ranked defense Chiefs? The Chiefs who had all of 10 sacks all year? The Chiefs who gave up 300+ yard like it was going out of style?

Actually before coming here Trent Green had gotten injured....

Here's the truth people had said this and it happened, Green played behind a great line that afforded him alot of time but he always held the ball to long. Many of us said when the line got worse he would get ear holed.

The team has more than 1 draft pick you know...it's not like we're gonna draft 5 QB's.

The only QB who did better than Green unde DV, save his 1st year, was Manning.

Again, it was not Trent Green who lost the playoff game for us. That would be the lack of defense.

Didn't say it was but Green was a part of a system when the system broke down so did he.

With that offense it was just the defense that was a problem, today it's basically the entire team.

ummmm i knew that hence the WHEN HE PLAYED HERE in my quote, still our offensive line got him killed right? you acted like it was just croyle and huard

We can still get that help also. It's one pick, and a high one. This may be your only chance for a long time to be put into a position like this, you have to take the chance. We can work on the rest of the stuff with the other picks and free agency. This opportunity might not show itself for sometime, and they both may be gone when pick anyhow, or one, or both may not come out. Bet your ass though if one of them are there at #3, they have to take that chance.

Thigy can compete for the job, he will lose, but he has earned that.

Trent Green hasn't been here for 2 seasons....why are we even talking about him the team is completely different now.

right now throw this week out and look at those stats again(this week the team gave up)

So in other words, you are agreeing that had the journeyman Green had a defense to support him we would of won in the playoffs?

And I agree the ENTIRE TEAM SUCKS. Which is why I would rather see us get someone on the defensive line or MLB rather than a QB when the QB we have has put up enough points to win a game.

I am going to laugh my ass off if we draft Stafford and we go 2-14 BECAUSE of the QB.

we are talking about qbs getting hurt behind our offensive line right?

How good of a defense are we talking....

The QB is a problem because it is the most important position on the field and by the way, where is this DE you are seeing that is gonna change the game? There is no Peppers or Mario Williams in this years draft.

You don't wanna pull a Rams and take Chris Long who looks to be a Justin Smith kind of player.

And people say that I only care about being right...

do you guys think that the high ranked qb's are all going to come out this year when the NFL said yesterday that the rookie salary is going to stay the same until AFTER next year. therefore ANY change will NOT effect the underclassmen this year

If you feel you are for a fact top 5 pick you should leave, you risk losing draft position or getting injured if you don't...you drop 5 spots you just cost yourself atleast 20 million dollars.

who is a sure fire top 5 pick? stafford? maybe, the experts seem divided. if he comes out will the lions take him? probably. then what?

If Stafford and Bradford both came out I have no question that they'd both be gone by the 15th pick.

Bradford in my view is the guy with the most to lose his stock will never be higher than it is right now.

but you said a top 5 not top 15, so who comes out?

Dude you can go check the stats. We couldn't even get a first down until Thigpen came in. We went from scoring 12 pts a game to 22pts a game. We did not lose the majority of Thigpen's start because of QB play. To say that is just being intellecually dishonest.


You act like a QB is the fix to all our problems when the stats for this team arguably say that is wrong. If fixing the defense is so easy why have we not fixed it since Marty left? 1st round picks are nothing more than projections based on college level play. Sure the odds favor a first round pick. But there are not any hard and fast rules that say you MUST have a 1st round QB. Especially when the rest of your team sucks ass worse than the 7th round QB who arguably made a miserable season easier to watch.

Bradford is overrated. I am sorry but he is not impressing me for the hype he is getting. He plays behind the biggest O-line in the Big 12 and maybe even all of college. It is hard to look bad in college when you have something like that.

It's not going to fix all the problems but I want to build the team around the most important position on the field not around a QB that is just "alright" or better than the most horrendous shit I'd ever seen.

That's why his stock is as high as it will ever be right now.....he will lose his entire line, a WR and possibly his TE....and he will be fully upfront on everyones radar to get overanalyzed by everyone.

Laugh all you want, at least they would take the chance.

News Flash: THIGY IS NOT A QUALITY STARTER.

so if stafford AND bradford declare would you be ok with bradford?(stafford to lions)

ROFL ROFL ROFL

I just knew you had to be one of those idiot callers.

I want to build to be like the Colts and Giants, not the Jaguars or 90s Chiefs.

ok, but if the QB can't take 3 steps back before the defense is up his ass or can't trust his own defense to hold a lead, I do not care what round or how good he is, we will lose. And if those things were so easy to fix we would of fixed them by now.

It will be a tough decision and I do not envy the people that have to make it.

There were games where the defense played well and we still lost.

That's on the quarterback.

YET, but who knows? A LOT of 1st year starters have had WORSE years than thiggy and gone on to be really good even great

I honestly need to see how he works out, I question his arm if he proves he has a stronger arm than I think he does then it'll be ok.

Considering it's a new guy coming in this will probably be the first time in 20 years QB is first and foremost on the minds of the people running the show.

The Giants have and did have a bad ass defense and a running game. The Colts had EJ and one of the leagues best DE's and Safety.

Lot easier to find one player than 5 or 6

Sorry, no more Mannings available. :D








I had to...

The Colts used the 1st overall for their QB...the Giants traded basically 2 1's and a 3rd...the Giants gave up Rivers, Merriman and Kaeding for their guy.

And the Giants have built that badass Dline in the very late 1st round and the mid rounds aswell as their running game...no 1st round picks on their OL or RB's.

The Giants are a great model to follow if you ask me.

When they were at their worst they started with QB's.

Maybe not. But he played well enough to win the majority of his starts. 22pts per game should be enough to win more times than not if you have a solid defense and running game.

Well there you go thinking you know something again. STFU

just what we need a 1AA running QB that cannot run any pro style offense wasting time taking snaps away from THE REAL QB'S in camp.

If he is playing better then I don't give a **** where he is from.

I guess Brady should be benched cause he was picked in the 6th round?

who are those "REAL QB's" you're talking about?

If people thought Keitzman was harsh on Thigpen, they should have heard Klinkscale on the post game yesterday with Jack Harry arguing with a caller. I think it was like this:

"You don't build your team and plan around a weak armed guy who can't run a pro offense and who had to have a joke gimmick high school offense adapted to him and still managed to have an atrocious completion percentage. C'mon, If he were on the Raiders or Broncos, we'd be making fun of him. Give me a break." (paraphrase)

Which is true :clap:

Kilnkscale is a bitch like KK. I heard him getting his panties in a wad.

Sorry if I think people like Terry Bradshaw and Jimmy Johnson who both stated they like Thigpen, are more qualifed than a whiney ass on local sports radio.

If Petro was not on 810 it would suck totally. He is the only one on that station that seems to understand sports, particularly baseball.

we are not even running a pro offense, we can't run the ball out of the shotgun, thiggy had to play in the shotgun because he is not a QB, the offensive line was helped because they are crap, but if we ever want to win we need a real QB, REAL QB's like Cassel,Colt Brennan, Brady Quinn, Sam Bradford, also there could be some free agents for a quick fix like Mcnabb.

11 starts 54.8 completion %(and how many balls hit receivers in the hands? if they can get BOTH hands on it in the nfl it SHOULD be caught IMO.) 2608 yards, 18 tds 12 ints 26 sacks. in HIS FIRST 11 STARTS. WITH HERM ****ING EDWARDS AS HIS HC. and NO RUNNING GAME teams KNEW we were going to throw the shit out of the ball and still the guy does that. wow some people

bradford is a spread qb no? brennan (i know you man love the guy) looks like croyle, quinn looked great this year:rolleyes: cassell has alot of greats around him

I have news, we can't run the ball period. LJ cannot get 1 yard to save his life, regardless of under center or spread.

Now all the sudden Cassel is a REAL QB? ROFL

did you guys not notice how bad thigpen was when he went in with the real offense under center, he looked like a pee wee kid running for his life, he cannot succeed in a real offense.

Ok there are alot of things you can defend but Thigpens accuracy isn't one he is wildly inaccurate.

especially under pressure

Is he the reason LJ can't get 1 yard when we run from under center?

And what about the TD he threw from "under center"?

I liked Trent Green, and respected what he did as the Chiefs starting QB, but if it ever came down to needing a QB making plays to win a game in the playoffs, I had no faith that he would be that guy, unless he was facing a defense nearly as bad as ours.

I posted this link in another thread, and it really illustrates how important a QB is to achieving long term success, and competing annually for championships.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...hff/index.html

Now I will not dismiss Thigpen's potential, but it would be irresponsible to pass up a potential QBoTF simply because Thigpen is better than bad.

And it's myopic thinking that drafting a QB in the first round limits your ability to fix other areas of the team.

The QB position is the most imporatnt position on the field.

You can not pass one up because you have other areas of need.

It's not about RIGHT NOW. We're going to suck in 2009. We can either start slowly putting together the pieces to be a real winner (by filling a premium position with premium draft position), or we can grasp for the first thing that will maybe let us go 8-8.

That 8-8 thing sure seems to be a serious drug for some.