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Sure-Oz 01-02-2009 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 5348675)
Count me on the list of people who want to see tony stay. If that means not drafting a QB then so be it.

:rolleyes:

C'mon

BigChiefFan 01-02-2009 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5349096)
People are being really dramatic about this.

It still seems much ado about nothing for me.

Meanwhile this guy has been the face of our franchise and the best thing to come out of the Carl Peterson era. So he has some stuff to say about what he thinks about the team that won't actually matter that much. The drama.

No. He's basically drawing a line in the sand and being a self-centered prick, who isn't honoring his contract that HE SIGNED, with the CHIEFS.

|Zach| 01-02-2009 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5349108)
No. He's basically drawing a line in the sand and being a self-centered prick, who isn't honoring his contract that HE SIGNED, with the CHIEFS.

Again...unjustified drama...Chiefs Planet loves it...they wouldn't know what to do with themselves if they were not mad over stupid shit.

He is has done nothing to not honor his contract.

R&GHomer 01-02-2009 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5349096)
People are being really dramatic about this.

It still seems much ado about nothing for me.

Meanwhile this guy has been the face of our franchise and the best thing to come out of the Carl Peterson era. So he has some stuff to say about what he thinks about the team that won't actually matter that much. The drama.

You're right this is a big to do about nothing. Tony has been the face of this franchise for a very long time and after the way he conducted himself on the field this last season he will go down as one of my all time favorites. Sadly his time has come and gone. Basing any long term personnel decisions on what Tony wants would be stupid

BigChiefFan 01-02-2009 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5349113)
He is has done nothing to not honor his contract.

Bullshit, His contract is with the CHIEFS, nobody else. His saying he won't be back if we change coaches, isn't honoring what he signed. Poor 'lil Tony thinking he's bigger than the team.

Zouk 01-02-2009 09:33 AM

Yeah - no way Herm could get a team to the Super Bowl.

He only won in the playoffs against Brees, LT, Merriman in SD on the road and was a field goal away from beating the 15-1 Roethlisberger-led Steelers on the road to go to the AFC championship game while playing with a QB with a torn rotator cuff, and with a team who's only Hall of Fame player was a running back over the age of 30.

Peoples' memories are so short. Dungy could never win a SB in Tampa, Belichick could never win a SB in Cleveland. And 2 or 3 years from now people will be calling for Tony Sparano, John Harbaugh, and/or Mike Smith's heads.

I'll keep tilting at windmills for a couple of days more until the execution notice is officially signed. But there is just an amazing amount of wrong conventional wisdom among NFL fans.

|Zach| 01-02-2009 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5349124)
Bullshit, His contract is with the CHIEFS, nobody else. His saying he won't be back if we change coaches, isn't honoring what he signed. Poor 'lil Tony thinking he's bigger than the team.

I think you have a misunderstanding of what not honoring a contract means.

As well as a misunderstanding of the business side of this game.

Talking does not equal doing. There is a reason for everything.

|Zach| 01-02-2009 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by R&GHomer (Post 5349122)
. Basing any long term personnel decisions on what Tony wants would be stupid

Thats the thing. NOBODY is going to do that. Nobody in this organization will be doing that no matter how many people cry about the idea of this.

A player with some opinions about the team voiced his opinions. CP cries. News at 11. *shrug*

ArrowheadHawk 01-02-2009 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5349105)
:rolleyes:

C'mon

I'm clinging to the last of the greats. :D I've seen too many QB's not pan out. It is very rare that rookie QB's lead their team to the playoffs, this year is an exception not a rule.

BigChiefFan 01-02-2009 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5349139)
I think you have a misunderstanding of what not honoring a contract means.

As well as a misunderstanding of the business side of this game.

Talking does not equal doing. There is a reason for everything.

I have NO MISUNDERSTANDING. It's very clear, if Herm is gone, Tony wants to become a distraction. He has NO say-that we agree on. Since he has no say, the only thing he can do, is become very vocal about it, which is what he is doing. He's becoming a distraction and made it VERY CLEAR, he doesn't want to be here, unless our shitty coached is retained. We'll we should accomodate both Tony and the coach and get rid of both of them. I like Tony, I thought it was stupid to want to trade him, but he believes he's above the team. When that starts taking place, it's time to move on and get what we can.

|Zach| 01-02-2009 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5349174)
I have NO MISUNDERSTANDING. It's very clear, if Herm is gone, Tony wants to become a distraction. He has NO say-that we agree on. Since he has no say, the only thing he can do, is become very vocal about it, which is what he is doing. He's becoming a distraction and made it VERY CLEAR, he doesn't want to be here, unless our shitty coached is retained. We'll we should accomodate both Tony and the coach and get rid of both of them. I like Tony, I thought it was stupid to want to trade him, but he believes he's above the team. When that starts taking place, it's time to move on and get what we can.

Thats all fine...just trying to counter this "he hasn't honored his contract" nonsense.

Sure-Oz 01-02-2009 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 5349159)
I'm clinging to the last of the greats. :D I've seen too many QB's not pan out. It is very rare that rookie QB's lead their team to the playoffs, this year is an exception not a rule.

I think i'll survive if Tony GEE doesn't play another 2 years...he won't leave unless we trade him. Even if we draft a new QB that guy won't play immediatly.

|Zach| 01-02-2009 09:46 AM

At the end of the day I think it is weird that Tony gets crapped on as much as he does from CP as a whole while DT is put up on a pedestal as untouchable. The circumstances are different...I understand it but it still strikes me as odd. The guy totally embarrasses the franchise on national television and there isn't a woman in the city who he didn't have a kid with yet Tony is this monster for being honest with people in interviews.

BigChiefFan 01-02-2009 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5349179)
Thats all fine...just trying to counter this "he hasn't honored his contract" nonsense.

If he's traded... how is that Honoring his contract with the Chiefs?

|Zach| 01-02-2009 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5349192)
If he's traded... how is that Honoring his contract with the Chiefs?

Aside from you bringing something up that hasn't already happened...

If he is traded then the team agreed to trade him. That isn't not honoring your contract.

Hammock Parties 01-02-2009 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Zouk (Post 5349130)
Yeah - no way Herm could get a team to the Super Bowl.

Do you really think he's going to get another chance as a head coach?

The difference between all these other coaches you're citing and Herm is that they succeeded in their second stints.

HERM ****ING FAILED MISERABLY.

Zouk 01-02-2009 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5349234)
Do you really think he's going to get another chance as a head coach?

The difference between all these other coaches you're citing and Herm is that they succeeded in their second stints.

HERM ****ING FAILED MISERABLY.

He did fail this year - there's no question about that. But what he failed to do was go 6-10, which he easily could have done if some things fell his way. This team could not compete this year. The Chiefs were $22 million under the salary cap while the next closest team was $11 million under. That's amazing. Expecting this team to play like it had a Manning or a Brady is ridculous.

There was 1 core young player here when Herm came - Jared Allen. ONLY ONE. Derrick Johnson is a mediocre linebacker and LJ is not a complete winning player. No team - not even the Lions - had a comparable lack of young talent. Look at those early to mid 2000 drafts again.

This offseason will bring free agents, more high draft picks, and the maturation of a group of 10-15 2nd and 3rd year players who typically make huge leaps in those years. I think he should get a truly fair chance to coach what he built next year. But I'm also a realist and understand you can't sell tickets with a coach who went 4-12 and 2-14 the last two years. He will die for Carl Peterson's sins, but the next regime will owe him a huge debt of gratitude.

Hammock Parties 01-02-2009 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Zouk (Post 5349288)
the next regime will owe him a huge debt of gratitude.

Yes, they will love dumping half his failed draft picks.

chiefsngop 01-02-2009 10:39 AM

Sorry Tony G, thanks for the memories, you'll always be one of my favorite Chiefs.

But Tyler Thigpen is not a real starting NFL quarterback, and Herman Edwards is not a real NFL Head Coach.

The Carl Peterson days are finally over Big Tony, and reality is finally going to set in around Arrowhead ; meaning these beloved D-bags of yours are either riding the pine or heading down the road.

If you wish to follow, I'm sorry, but so be it.

FringeNC 01-02-2009 10:48 AM

Tony's been traumatized with regards to the word "rebuilding" through the incompetence of Carl and Herm. Rebuilding, in its only meaningful definition, is simply having a good draft.

Tony's real concern appears to be whether Tyler Thigpen remains the starting quarterback. After shit-canning Herm, and hiring a new HC, evaluating Thigpen should be the next task for the new GM.

blueballs 01-02-2009 11:05 AM

JoPo could have taken this and made Tony G a hero
Teicher's spin is always down
pick out the facts and make up your own mind

BigChiefFan 01-02-2009 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 5349435)
Tony's been traumatized with regards to the word "rebuilding" through the incompetence of Carl and Herm. Rebuilding, in its only meaningful definition, is simply having a good draft.

Tony's real concern appears to be whether Tyler Thigpen remains the starting quarterback. After shit-canning Herm, and hiring a new HC, evaluating Thigpen should be the next task for the new GM.

Exactly, but if Tony can't differentiate between the two then good riddance. This ****er thinks he's the GM.

BigMeatballDave 01-02-2009 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Zouk (Post 5349130)
Yeah - no way Herm could get a team to the Super Bowl.

He only won in the playoffs against Brees, LT, Merriman in SD on the road and was a field goal away from beating the 15-1 Roethlisberger-led Steelers on the road to go to the AFC championship game while playing with a QB with a torn rotator cuff, and with a team who's only Hall of Fame player was a running back over the age of 30.

Peoples' memories are so short. Dungy could never win a SB in Tampa, Belichick could never win a SB in Cleveland. And 2 or 3 years from now people will be calling for Tony Sparano, John Harbaugh, and/or Mike Smith's heads.

I'll keep tilting at windmills for a couple of days more until the execution notice is officially signed. But there is just an amazing amount of wrong conventional wisdom among NFL fans.

WTF? LMAO

the Talking Can 01-02-2009 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Zouk (Post 5349288)
He will die for Carl Peterson's sins, but the next regime will owe him a huge debt of gratitude.

we'll put a picture of him above one of the toilets in the locker room....

"To Herm, you are one of only 5,000,000,000 people who could have stood on the sidelines and done nothing while a bunch of young players sucked all year long. Ending with a non-competitive loss to a 3 win team will be your ever lasting contribution to our long history of failure."

BigMeatballDave 01-02-2009 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Zouk (Post 5349288)
He did fail this year - there's no question about that. But what he failed to do was go 6-10, which he easily could have done if some things fell his way. This team could not compete this year. The Chiefs were $22 million under the salary cap while the next closest team was $11 million under. That's amazing. Expecting this team to play like it had a Manning or a Brady is ridculous.

There was 1 core young player here when Herm came - Jared Allen. ONLY ONE. Derrick Johnson is a mediocre linebacker and LJ is not a complete winning player. No team - not even the Lions - had a comparable lack of young talent. Look at those early to mid 2000 drafts again.

This offseason will bring free agents, more high draft picks, and the maturation of a group of 10-15 2nd and 3rd year players who typically make huge leaps in those years. I think he should get a truly fair chance to coach what he built next year. But I'm also a realist and understand you can't sell tickets with a coach who went 4-12 and 2-14 the last two years. He will die for Carl Peterson's sins, but the next regime will owe him a huge debt of gratitude.

Why are you defending our reeruned coach? Moron.

Danman 01-02-2009 11:15 AM

No Tony's worried about Tony. Don't get me wrong I Love Tony, but he cries a lot. He cried at the trading deadline, then when Thiggy kept throwing him the ball he changed his tune. I think talent wise the Chiefs have bottomed out, so I wouldn't say they're rebuilding, just building. Grab us a good GM and coach and let them continue to build. ANY decent coach is naturally going to throw Tony the ball. He's sure handed, and he's under contract.

suds79 01-02-2009 11:15 AM

Nice knowing ya then Tony. We'll take the picks.

You can't go 2-14 and not expect the whole thing to be blown up.

Danman 01-02-2009 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5349191)
At the end of the day

When Herm's finally gone can we all stop saying this please?

|Zach| 01-02-2009 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Danman (Post 5349550)
When Herm's finally gone can we all stop saying this please?

Meh, I don't let Herm Edwards alter my speaking patterns.

suds79 01-02-2009 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Danman (Post 5349550)
When Herm's finally gone can we all stop saying this please?

I'm in. Hey if Tony is gone can we all agree to stop saying "It is what it is" also?

Those two quotes just bother me.. They're garbage and don't mean anything.... Filler.

OnTheWarpath15 01-02-2009 04:32 PM

I'll take that 3rd round pick from Green Bay now.

Get it done, GMOTF.

And while you're at it, trade LJ for a bag of "K" balls and a gift certificate to ****ing Applebee's.

Demonpenz 01-02-2009 06:08 PM

I understand tony, sometimes it is more fun to play on a crumby pickup basketball team so you can shoot more than get 4 or 5 touches and win

Red Brooklyn 01-02-2009 06:49 PM

I'm shocked to hear Tony defend Herm. For some reason I thought they were at odds. I don't a problem with anything else he said.

007 01-02-2009 07:22 PM

Tony, I love ya, but.... SUCK IT!!!!

"Bob" Dobbs 01-02-2009 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5349559)
Meh, I don't let Herm Edwards alter my speaking patterns.

He makes me say "****!" a lot.

|Zach| 01-02-2009 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SEKChiefsFan (Post 5350577)
He makes me say "****!" a lot.

LMAO

chiefsngop 01-03-2009 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 5350392)
I understand tony, sometimes it is more fun to play on a crumby pickup basketball team so you can shoot more than get 4 or 5 touches and win

Church league softball baby !!!!

I'm Alex frickin Rodriguez on that 140 foot field !!!!

I just owned that 60 year old center fielder !!!

BigChiefFan 01-03-2009 11:48 AM

Tony might be a little Schizo-wasn't he just demanding a trade about 12 weeks ago? WTF, Tony?

PunkinDrublic 01-03-2009 11:54 AM

You guys who are comparing Tony to TO are ****ing morons. He says a few things you don't agree with and now he's TO? Kindly go **** yourselves. Get back to me when Tony calling out specific teammates in the media, get back to me when Tony is seen getting into a shouting match with teammates on the sideline. Tony's not perfect and I don't agree with everything he says about the direction of the organization but to compare him to one of the biggest malcontents of all time is beyond clueless.


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