Your enter key must have broke after the sixth time you hit it after Stafford.

Hes blinded by TEbows awesomeness. Its understandable.

LMAO

Most of Bradfords throws are to 'spots' and not players. It's like Vermeil's system.

Guess that make him kinda like Trent Green; Not a strong arm-Pretty good accuracy.

Just an Ok qb.

Worthy of a 3rd pick? Come on. Baltimore got Flacco in the 2nd.

Flacco was drafted 18th overall.

Close , they got him in the 1st but you know...

I know what your saying, and I think you know I am pretty much in the same boat as you. If anything I am a little higher on Bradford than you are. One thing though, it's not a pro style offense, but he does take several snaps under center.

Let me ask you this, and be honest, did you watch him play much last year? If so, he went down field a lot more, made some incredible throws. This year he didn't have to so much.

He has a long way to go, but I just get sick of people not giving credit when it's obvious that he has some serious potential.

Urban Meyer is a ventriloquist? I did not know that.

2nd.........:LOL:

I didn't expect Bradford to throw the ball so well. I also didn't expect him to be on such a short leash. He's the least NFL ready of the three but has a pretty high ceiling.

I'm one of the few people that refuse to make that ridiculous comment that he doesn't make NFL-caliber throws. He does, but he's not required to nearly as often as Sanchez and Stafford.

He's obviously a talented college QB, but he has more going against him in regards to becoming a NFL QB compared to the other two.

Playing in a pro style offense is a HUGE advantage for Stafford and Sanchez.

Does Bradford have potential?

Absolutely.

But is that potential worth a $60M investment and a top draft pick, knowing that he has a hill to climb right out of the box, learning how to take snaps, use proper footwork on drops, and read defenses pre/post snap?

Bradford has potential, I'm just not sure it's going to be realized early enough to make him worth that large of a financial investment.

Even Herbstreit and Corso said he's going to have a large learning curve if he does declare.

Montana's arm and Jake Plummer's head. I don't see it.

I agree. Though while I agree Tebow put this game on his back and took control, could they suck him off any more?

I love TEbow. He got robbed on the Heisman this game proves it.

Eh.

Doesn't bother me, the kid has earned it, IMO.

A Heisman trophy and 2 NC's.

The kid is obviously the heart and soul of that team.

He just finds a way to win.

I've watched at least 6 games this year of Stafford's, and I think you're wrong.

Dude is the best prospect, in the realm of what I look for, that I have seen since Plamer.

Disclaimer: I'm just a man with an opinion.

Try educating yourself about how overrated Stafford is and how (until late last season) he was considered a disappointment... considering how highly recruited he was coming out of high school.

Stafford completed barely over 55% of his passes last season and was horrible his freshman year (52% completion %, 7 TDs compared to 13 INTs).

In his two biggest games of the season this year... against Alabama and Florida (the two most NFL-caliber defenses he faced this year) Stafford was average at best (completing just over 57% of his passes) against Alabama and was horrible (under 55% completion %, 0 TD and 3 INTs) against Florida.

Both of those games were also losses.

Stafford is a fraud.

If you're talking about the NFL, Tebow is irrelevant. If you're talking about tonight's game, he deserved all the praise.

Robbed. I'm not going that far.

I said he deserves credit, but are you watching this.....come on

You may be right, but I don't see it. I love football......We'll see.

Stafford = Ryan Leaf's composure and Todd Marinovich's resume.

See, I can make baseless comparisons too.

I don't have too much of an issue with your post, other than the use of the word fraud.

Stafford did seem to have his worst games against the best competition.

I had a post a while back about his stats against the top half of the SEC and the bottom half of the SEC. He basically beat up on the weak sisters, and struggled mightily against the good teams.

However, I have to ask WTF you meant by this:

[QUOTE]Have you seen Stafford play? He was a mediocre QB for most of his career (until this year) and runs the most un-NFL like offense of the big 3 (Sanchez, Bradford and Stafford).

Georgia runs a pro offense. As does USC.

Oklahoma doesn't run anything resembling a pro offense. (unless your name is lil stumppy)

[quote=OnTheWarpath58;5371878]I don't have too much of an issue with your post, other than the use of the word fraud.

Stafford did seem to have his worst games against the best competition.

I had a post a while back about his stats against the top half of the SEC and the bottom half of the SEC. He basically beat up on the weak sisters, and struggled mightily against the good teams.

However, I have to ask WTF you meant by this:

Very true

I heard them call him one of the top 5 to 10 college football players of all time. All time is a long time, especially in college ball, and I haven't watched that much college ball. So I really can't say. He doesn't wow you, but he's money.

IMO they took that way to far. He did wow me tonight.

yeah. the announcers view point may be 30 years?

completion % doesn't matter. Stafford makes great throws.

The fact that he has the accolades of the 5-10 best college football players of all time really can't be argued. The rest is...well...opinion,

At least mine was based in observables.

Does Bradford have a good enough arm to make it to the HOF? Yes, with a great football brain. Does he have a great arm that you are going to write about all day? And can that arm be the basis on which you build an NFL career, ala Elway?

Does Bradford have a strong feel for the game where he can walk up to the LOS and know where the ball needs to go? No, he's always looking over to the side line. Is the NFL going to put him in the spread 80% of his plays? Maybe if they have Randy Moss and Wes Welker.

Does he have great mechanics?

Brandford has great accuracy. And that is huge. But I don't think that alone is enough to build an NFL career.

Watch his play. Ignore his statistics other than completion percentage (which I believe translates from the college game to the pros). Ignore the wins and losses. His understanding of offense is pretty limited compared to Montana, P. Manning, Brady, Jaws, etc. And he doesn't have the physical tools that Elway, Favre, Marino, etc had. He lacks the a critical number of traits that you can build on. Upper end = a little better than Chad Pennington. That is my call.

can anyone get a replay of that first long ball by Bradford were the reciever got ****ing smoked?

I thought it was clean at first (great throw BTW), but when I saw the replay it looked like he was there early, looked like the ball actually hit the defender in the back, which would mean he was defiantly there early.

Just curious, I looked in the game thread and it seemed that only a couple thought it was PI.

One thing I noticed about Bradford tonight was he just lacked zip on the ball all of his passes were lobbish even the short ones.

That's one of the main reasons I'd be more comfortable with Sanchez.

What did you think, any different opinions of him after this.

Didn't know if you have watched him much.

Bradford was overthrowing everybody, TEbow looked like Elway and Montana and Vick and VY put together

I believe I saw some zip on a few plays over the mid to deep middle.

He actually killed my thoughts of him not being able to make throws they will ask him to make at the combine or his pro day. He also threw, what looked to me to be a 20-25 yrd out. on a rope...with ease. I've had questions about his arm all yr. The guy can make the throws. No doubt in my mind.

Right, but he isn't consistent enough. The other half of his passes don't have enough zip or float.

I've seen the replay of the INT. There is no way you can hang that on the QB in any way, shape, or form. That was in the WRs hands and he didn't hold on. PERIOD.

NOOOOOOO to bradford.

Can't say I disagree. I'm only looking at it from a talent/ability standpoint.

Wait, so is there a single spread QB in the game with any football savvy? His system requires he look over to the sideline, that hardly means he doesn't have a feel for the game. And looking over to the sideline is no different than listening to the headseat in the pros. When the play is in motion, he makes quick, accurate decisions. I saw a ton of football savvy in the kid over the course of the season. You're also equating inexperience with inability and that's wholly unfair. Nothing negative has ever been said about the guy when it comes to his aptitude.

And his mechanics are actually pretty sound save the throwing motion. Yet another way he reminds me of Rivers.

Originally Posted by cdcox
Does Bradford have a strong feel for the game where he can walk up to the LOS and know where the ball needs to go? No, he's always looking over to the side line. Is the NFL going to put him in the spread 80% of his plays? Maybe if they have Randy Moss and Wes Welker.

Does he have great mechanics?

Brandford has great accuracy. And that is huge. But I don't think that alone is enough to build an NFL career.

He looks over to the sideline because the plays are called from the sideline. They run a no huddle. How many QB's do you see calling their own plays from a no huddle in college? It doesn't mean he can't do it he is just running the system the way the coaching staff wants him too. The kid is smart and manages the offense well. I don't think his football savy is a reason to doubt him at all.

He can also learn to play under center but will need an Oline that can protect him. Most NFL QBs need that though.

They jury is out on all three of these guys no matter how hard your dick is for one of them and how much you doubt another.

There is this guy named Len Dawson. Might have heard of him.

this is the conclusion i've come to. i'm pretty content to see how the dice roll, and just hope for the best with who ever the chiefs choose to be QBOTF. i'm glad i don't have to make the choice.

NEVER go FULL reerun

Some of his passes he gets away with in college will get picked in the NFL.

You're not going to see high velocity spirals between defenders like Manning or Cutler can do.

I am no expert though. I want to see how he does in the combines and the postseason games.

Chad Pennington?

who cares..we're getting Stafford..Sanchez is the worst case scenario

Kill yourself, reerun. 61.4% as a Jr, you ****ing dickwad.

:spock:

I didn't see either of the INTs as his fault...definitely not the second one. That one was squarely on the receiver.

Nobody knows. You don't know if he has a strong feel for the game, or if he can call plays himself because the system does not allow him to do it. Is it because he can't handle it, or because the coaches have huge egos and want to maintain control? A combination of both? We don't know.

At the end of the day he has more to learn right now than Sanchez or Stafford. Realistically, even with the ability to call audibles in college, Sanchez isn't likely going to be given the power to do it his first year in the NFL. No coach is going to give a rookie with one year of starting experience the responsibility of calling plays. They are in over their heads as it is.

It's a slow process. That's why when you look back at Ryan, Flacco and Thigpen this past year you see that when asked to throw a lot the guys make mistakes and their stats go down.

I can't tell about the NFL ready, but part of of my opinion is based on what I've heard about how high his ceiling is. Something about Stafford makes me think Blackledge.

That has to be one of the dumbest critiques I've seen in some time. The coach has installed a system where the offense lines up, then a whole cadre of assistants relay signals from the sidelines regarding adjustments the staff wants based on how the D lines up against them. It's Bradford's JOB under this system to take in all those signals and update the offense. It's what he's SUPPOSED to do. And you spin it like he's some lost child looking to the sideline for his binky.

It's absolutely incredible how many tards get on here and profess they know so much about picking the right guy. The friggin scouts that get paid big bucks to do it miss more than they hit, but somehow a huge number of CP pricks seem to know everything about every QB. Most haven't put a jock on in their lives, but feel qualified to engage everyone in a pissing-contest-to-the-death, regarding their supposed superior knowledge of the intricacies of playing QB in the NFL.

It's one thing to have a gut feel or opinion on the topic, but for so many tools on here that think they are the de-facto experts on a topic like this, all I have to say to you is... rofl and quit showing off your insecurity and foolishness.

Tebow is my type of player. Fire in his belly with alot of desire. It doesn't appear that he'd have many off the field problems either.

Detroit should pick him. That town is desperate for something to get excited about.

I would not mind seeing Tebow under center in KC. He's gritty and isn't made of glass like Brody Croyle.

I still wanted OU to win...but I was happy for Tebow. I'm also glad he doesn't have that
"THUG" mentality and style.

I still don't know if we need to pick a QB with our 1st pick. If Tebow is available I'd love to get him, but only if its him. I would like to see Thigpen receive another shot.

This

Tebow MIGHT be available with our 1st pick.ROFL

Tebow isn't a QB at the NFL level, sorry to burst your bubble.

ROFL

I haven't seen a lot of college games this year but based upon just the bowl games, this is what I came away with.

Tebow, the best athlete. also the most intangibles and "it" factor.
Sanchez, the best quarterback in a traditional sense.
Stafford, the streakiest. when he's hot he's hot, when he's not, he's average.
Bradford, well he just didn't show me much. I was expecting a better showing. especially with the talent around him.

until the combine, I hate to say it, I'm leaning towards Tebow as my favorite.

Don't quit your day job.:D

Some NFL front office is likely going to take "Bustford" in the top 5. If only they knew what Chiefsplanet knows.

Personally, I don't think any of the 3 are overly exciting prospects as top 10 QB picks. There are legitimate question marks about everyone of them, and I feel like the closest thing to a "standout" among them is Sanchez.

NFL QB need to be able to get a good pre-snap read on a defense. It is one of the things you look for in a college prospect. He essentially has zero training in that. He's 4 years behind the prospects who have that experience. And even with 4 years experience doing pre-snap reads in college, rookies are going to be pretty rough.

I have never seen either of them play until last night and Tebow looked amazing and Bradford looked lost. Tebow looks bigger and stronger and has one hell of an attitude, If we could get him it would be a big upgrade.

die


no ....... die, preferably in a fire


no wait ........ die, preferably in a fire while drinking antifreeze

Please stop with the Tebow stuff. The guy is a god in college football, but what he does in college at QB does not translate to the NFL.

It appears that Sanchez and Stafford would be far ahead of these spread guys in that regard.

It might be a question about him imposed by the system, but it's not a failure of his making.

Maybe we can get a really good QB like Mark Sanchez in the 2nd, pick up another draft pick in an LJ trade and get a playmaker like Orakpo, Curry, Maulauga, or Crabtree with our first round pick. Bring in Rich Gannon as a QB coach and let him tutor Thigpen, bring in another FA QB but don't use the highest pick we've had on a position we already have potential in. Sorry if this is a duplicate opinion...i'm new here and am still figuring this out.

I can't believe people are saying they weren't impressed at all by Bradford last night. I understand he operates primarily out of the shotgun and his program requires him to get the calls from the sidelines. We don't know if he is capable or able to make reads and adjustments on his own. But aside from that, the kid threw a nice ball and was very accurate. His deep balls were on the money.

Yep. I've been thinking for a while now that he's very underrated around here.

It's a by-product of the need to support another choice at QB. If I like player X, then player Y and Z suck by default.

Yep, I got blasted one time when I said I would be happy if he was a Chief. I think he is going to be a good QB, the kid is very accurate.

Some only see what THEY WANT TO SEE. Bradford looked great. The loss wasn't on him, the fictitious, bogus argument about him having all the weapons, proved last night, that some are biased and have been using a BOGUS argument against Bradford. Some of us have been saying it for months, but the deaf, dumb, and blind kids on this board, sure play a mean pinball and they've got the masses fooled into thinking Bradford doesn't measure up. It's quit humorous, actually.

Agreed. Last night's game raised my opinion of him. His two INTs, IMO, were not his fault at all and most of his throws were dead-on. I'd still want Stafford or Sanchez before him, but I wouldn't complain about Bradford.

"YAAAY! Tebow!! We want Tebow!!!"
:spock: Are you serious?

Bradford needs to stay in school.

one could say the same thing about you. YOUR only seeing what you want to see.... And your arguement is Bogus...

last night Bradford was let down by his receivers. He stood in there and delivered the ball even though he knew he was about to get clocked.

that said, i still think Stafford has better NFL potential



Bradford's delivery is weird

his hand is sort "under" the ball like his hand is too small

delivery is a bit slow

it's sort of sidearm and reminds of ty detmer for some reason


i think it will be a problem in the NFL

In the right situation I think Tebow will be a productive QB in the NFL.