Well at this point I think we should all hope it's a QB because well anyone who wants an end none of these guys are worth these picks...

I am unsure where you attended school, but 21 Pro Bowlers divided by 34 picks equals 61.7%. Are you exaggerating the stats in your favor a little bit? Now, to answer your response before you give it to us. 61% of top 5 QB picks making it to the Pro Bowl is just great, just an outstanding accomplishment, but only 20% of them have won Super Bowls. Isn't that what we all want? Did you listen to what Pioli had to say the other day? Building a team and he is not looking for Pro Bowlers. "Players go to the Pro Bowl, Teams win Super Bowls."

He was the last.

2nd round 32nd selection Drew Brees Purdue San Diego Chargers

Take a look at 2001
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/ful...?type=position

Exactly.

People keep forgetting that this is a TEAM sport.

Why are there 3 #1 QB's left in the playoffs?

They play on great TEAMS.

Christ, one of them is there with a ROOKIE. I think that speaks to how solid the TEAM is.

b/c 3 out of 4 teams left in the hunt have the top 3 defenses? Not to mention the other did VERY well with turnovers?

I'm assuming that wasn't directed at me.

There's a difference in wanting a guy like Stafford or Sanchez (which I do) and believing that you HAVE to have a 1st round QB to win a SB.

It also helps that 3 out of the 4 teams had top 10 defenses this season.

My brain is really hurting after reading those posts from DT and the Samoan guy about there being no QB's worth being picked in the first 2 rounds..

There should be some kind of intelligence test you have to pass to post.

Exactly.

Anyone watch Inside the NFL last night?

The entire crew thinks Eli Manning is no better than the 10th-15th best QB in the league.

Three guys who played in the league, one of them as a SB winning QB, and they think he's average.

Yet, he's won a Super Bowl, so people here think he's the greatest ****ing thing since sliced bread.

Yeah, someone has been huffing a bit too much paint thinner.

This is a team that needs alot of shit...from QB to Dline...and when I start looking at the players this year, I just don't see any of those lineman worth those picks.

I personally like Everette Brown but I wouldn't use a top 5 pick on him, and Brian Orakpo just has a huge flashing sign that says stay away on his forehead.

Yeah, this draft is really weak at the top. You have the 2 QB's and an OLman or two.

No he was the 1st pick of the second round. There was only 31 teams in 2001.

I don't lump you in with the other people by the way..

It's not like I think your Frankie who has such fear of the QB position he will make every high draft thought of QB into the devil.

I think I threw out the last 3 in my analysis do to they havent had the time. This data is for the Ryan Leaf scared to death people. You have a damn good shot at getting a good player instead of a total bust.

Heh. Oops....I"m reeruned.

I also don't understand why people feel the QB position is so risky, it's the most important position so you should be willing to take the chance especially when you factor in there are busts at every position, no position is completely safe.

Here we go...

It IS risky.

And yes, though you think otherwise, a bust with a high QB pick can, and does cripple a franchise.

You've made a financial commitment to this guy for 4-5 years, and if he goes south on you, you're screwed. Bad QB play will stunt the growth of the entire offense. And you can't pull him, because you're paying him a shit-ton of money. So you have to ride it out, and take that shot again, hoping to hit the next time - while other players are basically being wasted in their prime because the team is going nowhere without an offense that opposing defenses have to respect. (See: JaMarcus Russell)

If you pick any other position that early and they bust, it doesn't have the same effect.

Draft a LT and he sucks? Move him into guard, or give him help. But his bad play isn't going to stall the entire offense.

Draft a DT and he sucks? You keep playing him because he's going to give you SOMETHING, and his play alone isn't going to **** up the entire defense.

exactly...like you said it's a team sport in a time of single player slob fests...I'll never forget the look on Collins face when Crumpler fumbled that ball and the game away....you can do everything right and all it takes is one play..ie holmes first fumble in over four hundred touches in the Indy playoff game...

Taking a QB with the 3rd pick would be worth the meltdown on this board....

I would love it...

I was happy to hear Pioli said he has red flags go up with good combine numbers.

great so you have a LT playing guard...and no QB....


what's the point?

you're trying to build a championship team not minimize risk....

now matter how you say it, "don't draft a QB because it is risky" is a loser's mentality...the exact loser's mentality that has infested this franchise for decades....

Eh, only the true reeruns would meltdown.

Otherwise, any meltdown would be confined to getting the supposed "wrong" QB.

I swear, your teachers must hang their heads in shame, because you have a serious reading comprehension problem.

I'm not saying "don't draft a QB high." I've been on board with Sanchez before just about everyone else on this board.

What I AM saying, is that there IS a huge risk.

I'll type it again in all caps, maybe you'll get it this time, since you've missed it the other 500 times I've said it in the past 4 months:


I WANT US TO DRAFT A QB WITH OUR 1ST PICK, PREFERABLY MARK SANCHEZ.

HOWEVER, UNLIKE OTHERS, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A HUGE RISK INVOLVED, A BIGGER RISK THAN AT ANY OTHER POSITION.

UNDERSTANDING THAT RISK, I STILL WANT THE CHIEFS TO TAKE A QB WITH THEIR 1ST PICK.


Holy shit, where's the tylenol?

did you see that they are speculating that his deal will be bigger than big bro'sROFL

Yeah, and all Simms would say is "Well, if he can get it."

Which you could tell was the diplomatic way of saying, "There's no way in hell he's worth it."

INSANE if you ask me

If you take a OT with a top 5 pick and he ends up playing guard that is a pretty crippling pick...

And also if you're picking that high you're already pretty well crippled.

No, it's not, because your still getting some value out of the pick, and he's not single-handedly stalling your offense.

And you continue to fail to realize that I'm talking about CONTINUING to be crippled. Even if you've missed with a high pick at another position, you should still be able to improve the team.

A bust at QB all but guarantees you're going to continue to suck.

Uh, Dude?

The 32nd selection in the 2001 NFL Draft was the 1st selection of the 2nd round, not the last selection of the 1st round.

I just disagree with that, if you're top 5 pick OT ends up at guard that's bad..now you got this super expensive guard who was drafted way to high.

I also don't think the whole "well if he sucks he can be moved and be ok here" should ever be weighed when drafting, especially in drafting to 5.

he thought it was the last pick of the 2nd round, he forgot that there were only 31 teams then

32 still doesn't equal 62 or 64.

he thought it was the 32nd pick in the 2nd round which would actually be the 64th

Which in this case, would make it the third round.

Who's on first again?

:D

how much do you wanna bet that I can throw a pigskin over them mountains over there?

how 32 teams 32 picks 32nd pick in the 2nd round would be the 64th and last pick in round 2, once again he didnt realize there were only 31 teams

The Patriots don't draft a QB every other year in order to try to strike gold.

They do it to create competition at the position. The team philosophy is to always be trying to improve the 53-man roster. No position is safe, and everyone is ranked.

I suspect Pioli will institute the same policy for you. Also expect him to target players that are versatile, and can play more than one position.

Anytime you have a chance to draft a franchise QB you do it. If you end up with two franchise QBs, you either hang on to both for a few years (Packers) or you trade one (Chargers). Either way, you win.

"Clear" based on what?

I thought Brees was the 1st pick of the 2nd round.

That one round of the draft (the first round) exceeds all the other rounds combined. You don't see that as a statistical advantage?

Oops! I see I'm late to the party.

I don't have a problem taking a quarterback 3rd, if there's a QB there with that kind of value. But I think going in dead set that you're taking that position because you're desperate and grasping for straws isn't any better than doing that for any other spot on the roster. And I'm not sold on any of the QBs in the '09 class. Yet. I liked Ryan this time last year, but I just don't get the same gut feeling on any of them. But I also didn't watch as much college FB this year thanks to a heavy fall workload, so they could be better than I think.

Either way, I think you don't stop drafting QBs once you have one, either. It's kind of like running back in that you better have the next one ready to go. Although I obviously wouldn't spend repeated 1st round picks on the position if I had one in his prime. But I sure as hell would draft mid- to late-round ones if I thought they could be developed.

I'm not saying that you consider it when your drafting.

But again, you're GETTING SOMETHING out of that pick, and not stalling your offense in the meantime.

If give the choice, would you rather have a LT that gets moved to guard, albeit overpaid, and produces?

Or would you rather have a QB, that is costing you financially, and on the field? And limiting his offensive teammates as well?

Not when you factor that teams aren't expecting much more than a backup out of a later round pick, where they ARE expecting a sure-fire QBOTF with a high pick.

We ain't drafting a QB. Cassel is packing his bags.

We have had those types of QB for the better part of the last 20 years... Arent you ready to try something else?

Can you imagine the first time Herm forces something stupid into the huddle the look on Cassels face will be priceless...

It would suck coming from a professional coaching staff to this mockery we have here...

The way that Pioli talked of Cassel, I'm sure he will put a call in to see what the compensation would be.

There is no way in hell I'd give up a #1 for him, but a 2 in this draft, and a 4 next year and I might do it.

It just depends. I'm willing to put total faith in Pioli to see what he can come up with.

One thing I'm fairly certain about is that Thigpen won't be the starting QB of this team next year.

It all could be bullshit, but Pioli does seem to think a lot of Cassel.

For shits and grins, what are the Planet's thoughts about the following?:

Chiefs and Pats swap first-round picks (#3 and #23), Chiefs give up a third, and Chiefs receive Cassel.

I would say no, but if Pioli really wanted Cassel...and I'm not sure if this would be enough...

Matt Cassel will suck for the next team he plays for, book it.

Uhh, no. Brees was the first pick of the 2nd round which currently would be a 1st round pick with 32 picks in each round as opposed to 31 at the time he was drafted.

Chargers didn't trade either. Brees walked as a free agent and they got a 3rd round compensatory pick.

In 2000 they had bledsoe so instead of HAVING to pick a qb they went with a long shot with brady. From that point on there was no need to pick a qb high but instead went with long shots and got cassell. what it tells me is that even if you have franchise qb you still draft them.

That doesn't mean that the other team would have drafted him, especially since the other team would have likely drafted at the other end of the draft.

A great excuse to post this bad boy again!

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Holy shit that is perfect!!!!!

So typical Chiefs!

Value and Position! Value and Position! And if you can't comprehend THAT, try THIS: Needs that can be met through drafting in later rounds, and the Majestic Miracle that IS Free Agency. Yes, you should expect to see a marginal return to this practice under Pioli.
Somebody school this fool; DCS grows weary.

This.

Yes, let's hope lightning strikes twice in the same spot, because the probability of such an occurance is off the charts! :whackit::rolleyes:

ROFL This.

They'll never learn CC; you might as well be moving the furniture around on Helen Keller.

FYP.:thumb:

Hey we convinced you.

True enough. Keep Hope Alive!

We can instantly upgrade our football with improving the defense and adding pieces to the offensive line. I think Thigpen is a good enough QB that we don't have to draft a QB with the 3rd pick. We can take a QB later. Unless a sure-fire, superstar QB is available, and we all know that that isn't the case. There might be a really good one, but is he good enough to take a chance on with the 3rd pick.

If Stafford or Sanchez is there you take them. End of Story. They are as close to sure fire QBs we're gonna get a shot at. Chances are we will not be drafting this high next season. Grab them when you have the opportunity, because chances are we won't get another one.

I'd rather have neither.

I see your point, but IMO if you draft an LT at #3 you are expecting Orlando Pace or Willie Roaf in return. If you Get Trezelle Jenkins instead I think it crushes you finanancially and limits his teammates on the field. The LT affects every position on the offense in some way. The same can be said for almost every position on the field. Maybe not to the degree a QB does, but still a major bust is a major bust. There is no way around the fact that it hurts you badly.

So your theory is that if Matt Cassel wasn't breathing down Tom Brady's neck threatening to steal his start job, Brady wouldn't have been motivated and would not have thrown 50 TDs 2007.

My theory is the Patriots draft a QB every other year because they were looking to find someone who if need be could take the team to an 11-5 record if Tom Brady was injured during the season. IE strike gold.

I doubt NE wants KC's third. I doubt Pioli wants it either, but KC has enough cap room that he can afford it. BB would be more inclined to take KC 2nd round this year and another pick next year, than the third overall.

this

I feel more comfortable with Pioli than Carl doing anything related to the Chiefs.

I don't want a QB that is just "good enough". I want a Peyton Manning....a Tom Brady *cringe*.....I want a ****ing franchise QB.

I think you are confusing franchise QB and HOF QB.

If your expectations are a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady you will probably be disappointed.

Rivers, Cutler, Big Ben, Baby Manning, possibly Cassel, Warner, possibly Pennington, Brees, Romo, etc are Franchise QBs.

Agreed. I would prefer Sanchez over Stafford. But if by chance those guys are off the board, don't reach and take someone who isn't 3rd pick quality.

Brady sure was thought to be a franchise, superstar star Qb being taken in the 6th round. :banghead:

I only threw out Manning and Brady....because those are the only QBs that people know. I'd be perfectly happy with Cutler, Big Ben, Baby Manning or Brees.

It sounded to me like Pioli already had his eyes, if not his heart, set on someone at QB. If that's the case, I suspect we are already in a position to succeed.

I think the experience and the offseason as a starter would help him immensely.

What's this "we all know shit"? What do you do when you "assume"? Quite so.

Exactly.

Naaailed it! If we assume Pioli's going to pull the trigger in the first-round, that look on his face when he made that comment leaves NO question in my mind as to who he was thinking of.
I've seen that look before. It's a part of the reaction one has when watching Mark Sanchez play a great game for the first time.

I preface this by saying I will support whatever Pioli's decision is with the #3 pick. But Mark Sanchez? Really? You are that sold on the guy after he starts for one season at USC? I would say that is putting an awful lot of stock in a very small sample. If the Chiefs were drafting somewhere in the 12-20 range in the first round I would say drafting Sanchez makes more sense. But, dumping $50+ million into a guy with one season of college starts under his belt seems like a very high risk, possibly high reward situation.

I await your tantrum Mecca, DCS and the rest of the Sanchez Kool-Aid drinkers. :D

Unless QB is the BAP. Then or if its very close pull the trigger. Otherwise I say trade down.

Is stupid

Explain to me the difference between a one year college starter, and a two to three year college starter who are going to spend their first year in the NFL holding a clipboard on the sideline?

Does the three year guy hold the advantage because he played more college ball, or is the slate wiped clean when both begin their Professional Internship?

The latter is the correct answer.

So now we're looking at skill set in an attempt to evaluate who's got better tools, and who has the greatest potential.
To that end, there are two QB's in this draft that fit the bill. And though I have preference, I will be happy to see the Chiefs acquire either one.

No tantrum, no kool-aid, just infallible logic. We do so hope you will be wise enough to listen and learn.

I don't really want Cassel here in KC.

But a guy taken with the 230th pick that steps in for an injured Hall Of Famer and leads the team to 11-5 is a good pick, even if he's a bust for the rest of his career.

One 11-5 season coming off the bench is a fine accomplishment for the 230th pick. Even if he never does anything again.