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Simplex3 01-31-2009 10:43 PM
Gee, must be a really exciting night. All split decisions except for one unanimous decision.

:ZZZ:

chop 01-31-2009 10:47 PM
Machida vs. Silva coming up next.

chop 01-31-2009 10:49 PM
Both fighters come into this fight undefeated.

mdstu 01-31-2009 10:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simplex3 (Post 5445180)
Gee, must be a really exciting night. All split decisions except for one unanimous decision.

:ZZZ:
The unanimous decision probably should have been split as well. Jones gassed in the second and Bonner was pretty much the aggressor for two rounds. That doesn't mean I think Bonner won, I just think it could have been split.

Jerm 01-31-2009 10:49 PM
"Co-Main Event" my ass...there is only one main event on this show.

Should be an interesting and entertaining fight nonetheless.

Over-Head 01-31-2009 10:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chop (Post 5445192)
Both fighters come into this fight undefeated.
And Silva's gonna walk out that way

chop 01-31-2009 10:56 PM
Machida vs. Silva results:

Spoiler!

Jerm 01-31-2009 10:57 PM
People can say what they want about Machida, he ain't no joke.

Nice of you to show up Silva lol.

Over-Head 01-31-2009 10:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chop (Post 5445208)
Machida vs. Silva results:

Spoiler!
:eek::eek::eek:

chop 01-31-2009 11:00 PM
Machida vs. Silva cont..

Spoiler!

chop 01-31-2009 11:03 PM
Main event coming up. GSP vs. Penn.

Halfcan 01-31-2009 11:08 PM
Go Rush!!

ragedogg69 01-31-2009 11:09 PM
My prediction:

Fight of the year.

I have no idea who will win. Even though I love GSP and think BJ is a bit of a douche, I see it going either way.

chop 01-31-2009 11:21 PM
GSP vs. Penn 1st round

Spoiler!

Halfcan 01-31-2009 11:23 PM
update plez

ragedogg69 01-31-2009 11:25 PM
Spoiler!

chop 01-31-2009 11:26 PM
GSP vs. Penn 2nd round

Spoiler!

Halfcan 01-31-2009 11:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chop (Post 5445267)
GSP vs. Penn 2nd round

Spoiler!
thanks

chop 01-31-2009 11:32 PM
GSP vs. Penn 3rd round

Spoiler!

Halfcan 01-31-2009 11:32 PM
Did Rush win yet??

Halfcan 01-31-2009 11:33 PM
Penn is a BJ lover.

ragedogg69 01-31-2009 11:34 PM
Spoiler!

Simplex3 01-31-2009 11:34 PM
GSP is the new Tito Ortiz. Take a guy down, elbow him a few times, guy gets back up. Take a guy down, elbow him a few times, guy gets back up.

Yawn.

Simplex3 01-31-2009 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ragedogg69 (Post 5445289)
Spoiler!
Why? BJ walks out of this fight with a belt either way. Worst case scenario he loses to a guy fighting in a higher weight class, a fight he *should* lose. GSP has nothing to gain. Best case he keeps his belt and beat up a smaller guy.

chop 01-31-2009 11:38 PM
GSP vs. Penn 4th round

Spoiler!

ragedogg69 01-31-2009 11:38 PM
what convinced people that bj fixed his conditioning problems? He moved rocks underwater on primetime? If anything primetime shows how lackadaisical his training is in comparison to GSP.

chop 01-31-2009 11:39 PM
GSP vs. Penn results

Spoiler!

ragedogg69 01-31-2009 11:41 PM
Spoiler!


nevermind, it was his brother

Over-Head 01-31-2009 11:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chop (Post 5445309)
GSP vs. Penn results

Spoiler!
Say what?????:eek:

Jerm 01-31-2009 11:42 PM
I can't believe how GSP absolutely dominated Penn on the ground.

B.J.'s guard is usually world class...GSP passed it over and over again like it was nothing.

That dude is scary good...he's great in every aspect of the game.

GSP vs. Anderson now?

Halfcan 01-31-2009 11:43 PM
the day just got even better. Rush is my fav fighter. and band

Simplex3 01-31-2009 11:45 PM
The UFC needs to learn to not let guys split weight classes. Pick a weight and fight at it. Guys that go down gas and guys that go up get man-handled. It's almost like there's a reason for having weight classes or something...

Halfcan 01-31-2009 11:46 PM
Blow Job said he was going to KILL Rush-nice prediction dumbass.

chop 01-31-2009 11:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simplex3 (Post 5445329)
The UFC needs to learn to not let guys split weight classes. Pick a weight and fight at it. Guys that go down gas and guys that go up get man-handled. It's almost like there's a reason for having weight classes or something...
I think Anderson Silva could hold the light heavyweight belt if he wanted to.

mdstu 01-31-2009 11:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simplex3 (Post 5445329)
The UFC needs to learn to not let guys split weight classes. Pick a weight and fight at it. Guys that go down gas and guys that go up get man-handled. It's almost like there's a reason for having weight classes or something...
I'm sure they will take that into consideration while they are counting their millions tonight.

chop 01-31-2009 11:50 PM
I would like to see GSP fight Anderson Silva.

Jerm 01-31-2009 11:51 PM
Nice from Thiago Alves...."I want the shitle tot".

LMAO.

BigVE 01-31-2009 11:53 PM
No one can doubt GSP's skills now. One of the best there is. Period. Unreal.

chop 01-31-2009 11:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigVE (Post 5445349)
No one can doubt GSP's skills now. One of the best there is. Period. Unreal.
I'm surprised people were doubting his skills all along. The guy is a good fighter. He is a complete fighter. He can out wrestle wrestlers and out strike strikers.

Over-Head 02-01-2009 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by chop (Post 5445354)
I'm surprised people were doubting his skills all along. The guy is a good fighter. He is a complete fighter. He can out wrestle wrestlers and out strike strikers.
A fighting French man.
Who woulda thunk it?

Katipan 02-01-2009 08:16 AM
That was depressing. It looked like a dog playing with a chew toy.

So I'm off to shodokan training.

Simplex3 02-01-2009 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by mdstu (Post 5445341)
I'm sure they will take that into consideration while they are counting their millions tonight.
Keep putting up crappy fights like this one and see how long that lasts. You can always ask boxing how it has been working out for them.

burt 02-01-2009 09:28 AM
Thanks for the updates all.....some of us couldn't afford the fight and you guys helped make it enjoyable.

mdstu 02-01-2009 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Simplex3 (Post 5445783)
Keep putting up crappy fights like this one and see how long that lasts. You can always ask boxing how it has been working out for them.
I didn't think the fight was crappy. I think a lot of people thought that BJ would dominate GSP, after the last close fight and GSP getting KO'ed by Serra. It just turns out that BJ isn't quite as great as everyone thought he was. Of course he is the one that moved weight class, but he is the one that called GSP out. I think a lot of people took joy in watching him get his ass kicked.

Don't make this out to be a bad fight like the Silva fluke main event or the over hyped Kimbo fight.

The Poz 02-01-2009 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoLJ (Post 5440205)
LMAO LMAO LMAO. Are you new to MMA? GSP has always been a cocky bastard. Secondly did you watch the first fight between these two, no one looked for a KO shot, both are methodical fighters. Both are great fighters, BJ is one of the most talented fighters in the UFC, there is a reason they called him The Prodigy when he first started. GSP is good, no doubt about it, I will take my chances with BJ, I still love watching GSP get beat by Matt Serra ROFL. If BJ's mind is right, the only person who can stop him is himself. GSP is a great athlete and good fighter, he beats a lot of people on athleticisim alone. Penn is a great fighter and one of the most flexible and capable BJJ guys in the World. The only problems Penn has ever had is motivation, and he wants to kill GSP in this fight. His submissions rival fedor's IMO. He's rolled with Karo Parisyan, who is top tier also. I'm excited for this fight. Penn reminds me of Fedor, you would never guess by looking at them that they would be the terror's that they are, but looks can be decieving.
I'm curious, what are your thoughts now? Time to find a new "Prodigy"?

chop 02-01-2009 11:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Poz (Post 5446083)
I'm curious, what are your thoughts now? Time to find a new "Prodigy"?
I'm not sure where he gets that GSP has always been a "cocky bastard" from. BJ Penn is a 1000 x more cocky than GSP. I like GSP because he doesn't come across as cocky as a lot of the other fighters.

suds79 02-01-2009 11:53 AM
Who gives a F if guys are cocky.

They're professional fighters. They're all cocky. You'd have to be just to make in that sport.

I think after this, BJ should just stay at 155 and dominate.

Simplex3 02-01-2009 12:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdstu (Post 5446071)
I didn't think the fight was crappy. I think a lot of people thought that BJ would dominate GSP, after the last close fight and GSP getting KO'ed by Serra. It just turns out that BJ isn't quite as great as everyone thought he was. Of course he is the one that moved weight class, but he is the one that called GSP out. I think a lot of people took joy in watching him get his ass kicked.

Don't make this out to be a bad fight like the Silva fluke main event or the over hyped Kimbo fight.
BJ is a fighter. Of course he's going to be dumb enough to fight anyone, even guys with 10% more mass than he has.

Everyone talks about how GSP is such a hard-core trainer, always on his game, blah blah blah. If that's true then explain him getting beat down by Serra and losing to Penn the first time (yeah, I know GSP got the decision). GSP is a freak, but he's also hot and cold.

Simplex3 02-01-2009 12:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Poz (Post 5446083)
I'm curious, what are your thoughts now? Time to find a new "Prodigy"?
Until GSP walks out and gets punked by some loser like Sera again.

The Poz 02-01-2009 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Simplex3 (Post 5446165)
Until GSP walks out and gets punked by some loser like Sera again.
He learned his lesson. Can't see that happening again anytime in the near future.

BigVE 02-01-2009 12:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simplex3 (Post 5446158)
BJ is a fighter. Of course he's going to be dumb enough to fight anyone, even guys with 10% more mass than he has.

Everyone talks about how GSP is such a hard-core trainer, always on his game, blah blah blah. If that's true then explain him getting beat down by Serra and losing to Penn the first time (yeah, I know GSP got the decision). GSP is a freak, but he's also hot and cold.
Not any more. You have to go back a few years to find THAT GSP. He doesn't exist anymore. He has been nothing but RED hot since the Serra fight....THAT is when he started to take things more serious and it has shown in EVERY one of his performances since then. He has utterly dominated everyone since the Serra fight. Period. There's your explanation. Catch up with current events before you spout this crap.

BigVE 02-01-2009 12:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simplex3 (Post 5446165)
Until GSP walks out and gets punked by some loser like Sera again.
ANY FIGHTER can get caught...it does happen. Even Fedor has been beat.

suds79 02-01-2009 12:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simplex3 (Post 5446165)
Until GSP walks out and gets punked by some loser like Sera again.
Yeah that's weak man.

Like BigVE said. ANY FIGHTER can get caught.

Nobody goes through this sport and goes undefeated. It's just a matter of time before you make one mistake and it's either lights out or you get submitted.

Simplex3 02-01-2009 12:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigVE (Post 5446176)
Not any more. You have to go back a few years to find THAT GSP. He doesn't exist anymore. He has been nothing but RED hot since the Serra fight....THAT is when he started to take things more serious and it has shown in EVERY one of his performances since then. He has utterly dominated everyone since the Serra fight. Period. There's your explanation. Catch up with current events before you spout this crap.
That was a year and what, two fights ago? Color me impressed.

Simplex3 02-01-2009 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Simplex3 (Post 5446188)
That was a year and what, two fights ago? Color me impressed.
Here it is. It's been a lot longer than I thought. How time does fly when you're getting old.

04-07-2007 : Lost to Serra in the first. Was wholly unprepared.
08-25-2007 : Beat Koscheck by a decision. Not a great win IMO, but I didn't see the fight.
12-19-2007 : Kicked the crap out of an old Matt Hughes.
04-19-2008 : Finally beat Serra, who isn't very good.
08-09-2008 : Beat John Fitch, but it went the full 5 rounds.
01-31-2009 : Beat up a lightweight fighter.

The guy has been fighting every four months. That's pretty impressive. More guys should be doing this. Just stay in shape.

BigVE 02-01-2009 12:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simplex3 (Post 5446188)
That was a year and what, two fights ago? Color me impressed.
That's ok, if your not impressed by what he has done then you have a lot to learn about MMA and the caliber of fighters that are out there. Serra got lucky and everyone including Serra has said so. Matt Hughes was one of the best there has ever been and got absolutely pummeled by GSP at his own game. Serra got absolutely pummeled by GSP. GSP's last fight was against a guy who was supposed to be his "toughest opponent yet" and he dominated him. THEN you take into account Penn is considered top 5 in the world pound for pound (some ranked him higher than GSP) and he was also absolutely destroyed and humiliated by GSP. That's what has been impressive, HOW he has won. He hardly got hit last night at all and Penn is considered one of THE best boxers too, let alone the fact that he is world class at Jiu-jitsu and had NOTHING for GSP. Nothing. If your not impressed your just have hater-vision on and cant see the picture that is plainly in front of your face.

burt 02-01-2009 12:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 5446125)
Who gives a F if guys are cocky.

They're professional fighters. They're all cocky. You'd have to be just to make in that sport.
I think after this, BJ should just stay at 155 and dominate.
This.

burt 02-01-2009 12:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simplex3 (Post 5446207)
Here it is. It's been a lot longer than I thought. How time does fly when you're getting old.

04-07-2007 : Lost to Serra in the first. Was wholly unprepared.
08-25-2007 : Beat Koscheck by a decision. Not a great win IMO, but I didn't see the fight.
12-19-2007 : Kicked the crap out of an old Matt Hughes.
04-19-2008 : Finally beat Serra, who isn't very good.
08-09-2008 : Beat John Fitch, but it went the full 5 rounds.
01-31-2009 : Beat up a lightweight fighter.

The guy has been fighting every four months. That's pretty impressive. More guys should be doing this. Just stay in shape.

Matt Hughes isn't old. The rest is true.

GSP is a very tough opponent. One of the previous posts was touting how tough Penn is. I mostly agree, but sometimes he tends to coast, hoping to catch an opponent getting sloppy and throwing a great submission hold. That kind of shit won't work when fighting someone of GSP's caliber.

SAUTO 02-01-2009 01:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigVE (Post 5446179)
ANY FIGHTER can get caught...it does happen. Even Fedor has been beat.
that fight, to be fair, should have been a no decision, early cut illegal IIRC

El Jefe 02-01-2009 03:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Poz (Post 5446083)
I'm curious, what are your thoughts now? Time to find a new "Prodigy"?
I didn't give him that nickname, it was given to him when he first started, he's a little old to be a prodigy anymore LOL. I don't like either fighter, so I really didn't care who won. I don't like GSP at all, and I like BJ a little more than I like GSP, which isn't saying much. I didn't buy the fight because I didn't care who won.

El Jefe 02-01-2009 03:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigVE (Post 5446179)
ANY FIGHTER can get caught...it does happen. Even Fedor has been beat.
Give me a break, any person who watched that fight agrees it should have been a NC, it was an illegal headbutt that opened a giant gash above his eye. I am an old Pride Fan, I watched everything Pride, those were the days IMO.

El Jefe 02-01-2009 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5446400)
that fight, to be fair, should have been a no decision, early cut illegal IIRC
Wow, a post above mine and I still didn't read it, I was working my way from page six and never saw yours. I agree with you :).

SAUTO 02-01-2009 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoLJ (Post 5446810)
Give me a break, any person who watched that fight agrees it should have been a NC, it was an illegal headbutt that opened a giant gash above his eye. I am an old Pride Fan, I watched everything Pride, those were the days IMO.
Me TOO i watched wanderlei vs mark hunt last night, i thought wand should've won just for hanging in there about 75 lbs lighter

El Jefe 02-01-2009 03:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5446820)
Me TOO i watched wanderlei vs mark hunt last night, i thought wand should've won just for hanging in there about 75 lbs lighter
They had some great fights back in Pride. Fedor vs Hunt was a good one too. Fedor was in some battles, I liked when he fought Cro Cop, that was a true war. Fedor said it was the toughest fight he has ever had. Fedor fought some true beasts in Pride, Semmy Schilt, Hong Man Choi, Mark Coleman, it was fun to watch Pride. Wandy was one of my favorites too.

Jerm 02-01-2009 04:19 PM
Hunt vs. Wandy was awesome just for the Atomic Butt Drop from Hunt.

Classic.

Jerm 02-01-2009 04:31 PM
Also Machida IMO will now become the most ducked fighter in the UFC.

Everyone in the LHW division, that includes my boy Rampage and Rashad and whoever else, can say what they want but I guarantee that NO ONE wants him right now.

His style and gameplans are flawless and tailor made for MMA.

El Jefe 02-01-2009 05:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 5446945)
Also Machida IMO will now become the most ducked fighter in the UFC.

Everyone in the LHW division, that includes my boy Rampage and Rashad and whoever else, can say what they want but I guarantee that NO ONE wants him right now.

His style and gameplans are flawless and tailor made for MMA.
Yep, he is also a counter striker, he is very patient, and can be very very boring to watch. IMO, Rampage and Rashad would beat him.

ArrowheadHawk 02-02-2009 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5440563)
GOOD REASON being that he fights at that weight all the time?
No good reason cause he is supremely better than bj.

ArrowheadHawk 02-02-2009 12:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 5441396)
GSP is a JJ black belt...he got it not too long ago.

I wanna how his guard would be with a world class JJ guy like Penn on top...that would be interesting IMO.
Yeah....that didn't even come close to happening.

ArrowheadHawk 02-02-2009 12:52 AM
I guess I was right. Were are all the GSP haters that said he was going to lose?

Sfeihc 02-02-2009 06:14 AM
Machida is such a bad ass he only needs one eyebrow.

Simplex3 02-02-2009 09:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoLJ (Post 5447051)
Yep, he is also a counter striker, he is very patient, and can be very very boring to watch. IMO, Rampage and Rashad would beat him.
Rampage would have to get it to the ground. He isn't fast enough to hit Machida. Evans *might* be fast enough, but he's going to lose his patience.

Katipan 02-02-2009 09:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sfeihc (Post 5450150)
Machida is such a bad ass he only needs one eyebrow.
I loved what they said about his background... How he has the fewest number of strikes and has taken the fewest number of blows, and is still undefeated.

Sounds like just my type of lazy (JOKE) discipline.

raybec 4 02-02-2009 09:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Katipan (Post 5450332)
I loved what they said about his background... How he has the fewest number of strikes and has taken the fewest number of blows, and is still undefeated.

Sounds like just my type of lazy (JOKE) discipline.
I am amazed he doesn't get blasted with as high as he keeps his chin during exchanges.

Katipan 02-02-2009 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 5450348)
I am amazed he doesn't get blasted with as high as he keeps his chin during exchanges.
OH OH OH.

In our class yesterday theres a black belt in taekwondo. And our instructor totally got out a sharpened short tiny stick. He pushed it up against karate kid's throat and made him keep it there during drills to keep his chin up.

His natural tendancy being to keep his chin down. Just like every wrestler's natural tendancy to keep that chin down.

It's so technical learning shodokan, but so freaking bad ass.

MOhillbilly 02-02-2009 09:20 AM
All i know is BJ Penn quit cold.
how his handler didnt take him out back an shoot him is beyond me.

raybec 4 02-02-2009 09:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Katipan (Post 5450351)
OH OH OH.

In our class yesterday theres a black belt in taekwondo. And our instructor totally got out a sharpened short tiny stick. He pushed it up against karate kid's throat and made him keep it there during drills to keep his chin up.

His natural tendancy being to keep his chin down. Just like every wrestler's natural tendancy to keep that chin down.

It's so technical learning shodokan, but so freaking bad ass.
I am ignorant to the karate nuances so I would love an explaination on the whole chin high thing if you could.

Katipan 02-02-2009 09:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 5450354)
All i know is BJ Penn quit cold.
how his handler didnt take him out back an shoot him is beyond me.
I'm just glad he didn't tap out. Especially after running his mouth about GSP's tap with Serra. He deserved his beating. Sometimes you just do.

MOhillbilly 02-02-2009 09:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Katipan (Post 5450363)
I'm just glad he didn't tap out. Especially after running his mouth about GSP's tap with Serra. He deserved his beating. Sometimes you just do.
Word.

El Jefe 02-02-2009 09:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Simplex3 (Post 5450306)
Rampage would have to get it to the ground. He isn't fast enough to hit Machida. Evans *might* be fast enough, but he's going to lose his patience.
Rampage could stand and throw with him, Machida is faster no doubt, but Rampage has a pretty strong chin. He has stood toe to toe with Liddell and Wandy, who are both very good strikers. Rashad is definetely fast enough to throw with Machida, maybe even faster, many believe Rashad is the fastest striker in the division. Machida is a very patient fighter, which can make him extremely boring to watch.


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