How do you know?

BTW, I wasn't really comparing the two, although one reason I really prefer Sanchez is his relentless drive to be the best (reminds me of Manning).

My point was, even the best QB in the league right now (arguably) had questions about him when he was coming out.

Every prospect has questions.

Not necessarily you, but what I've seen in general from the Sanchez backers the last month and a half:

- "History has no bearing on what will happen." People say that when trying to argue Sanchez's number of starts don't have a good bearing on whether he should be drafted at 3 or not. However, they will then say "history shows us spread quarterbacks suck" when trying to discredit a different QB. In other words, history matters when it supports my position.

- Before Sanchez declared it was Bradford has tons of talent around him. His receivers are always wide open. When someone says that about Sanchez it is shrugged off.

- Last year if someone dared to express the opinion that KC should draft someone that Scott Wright or Mayock had listed as the #8-10 player on their boards, people whined about what a huge reach it would be. Last I looked Wright had Sanchez at 7 or 8, which would mean it is a 4-5 space reach, but those same people no longer think it is a reach.

- A general dishonest analysis of any other player mentioned. I'll see Curry only has X sacks, he can't get to the QB. Maybe, or maybe he wasn't asked to. That would be like me saying Sanchez can't win when coming from behind. Well he wasn't in a position to play from behind on a great USC team. It doesn't mean he can't.

A majority of people who think they know so much about the draft are being the most closed minded people. It's like Voyager took possession of their soul and replaced Trevor Laws with Mark Sanchez.

Assault charge ...dropped but hey thats a concern.

Going against the better advise of everyone around him and coming into the NFL with so little experience is a concern also.

He's not.

He's comparing the two as prospects, when both were coming out of college.

There's no such thing as a "lock." Every single college player will have strengths and weaknesses. Unless we're friends with Doc Brown, we're going to have to jump into the pool eventually.

Either Sanchez or Stafford might suck an enormous dick in the pros. Might happen. Hell, both might be terrible. But the same could be said of Curry, or Crabtree, or any of the LT (RT on this team) prospects.

All of these players are going to command huge $ based on the draft position, so missing on any of these players will be equally damaging to the franchise.

There are 2 top QB's coming out. Both have enormous upside, and this team lacks a real option at the most important position on the field.

It's not a tough decision at this point.

Nationwide poll just posted on esnp

Best option for your team if you need a QB

Sanchez 9%

Stafford 28.5%

Cassel 62.4%

I mention this only to say those of us with questions are not the minority...

Why did the NFL advisory committee give Sanchez a 2nd round grade?

Link?

Ya, I got that. Manning was a far better prospect with much more experience.

The first response was posted while I was still writing.

You didn't get it at first, or you never would have said that comparing the two is ridiculous.

If you look up top 100 rankings and start to go through them, especially the ones just before Bradford decided to stay in had him in the 40-50 overall rankings. Course that is before bowl games...just saying.

Yes. I did.

Its Ridiculous.

Pete Carroll.

"He became Tennessee's all-time leading passer with 11,201 yards and 89 touchdowns and won 39 of 45 games as a starter, breaking the Southeastern Conference (SEC) record for career wins.[11]

This alone puts him in a completely different league.

Do I studder?.... :)

LMAO

And Gonzo says that Thigpen should be the starter.

Carroll has no reason, none what so ****ing ever, to have been pissed about Sanchez's decision to leave.

Think about this logically. Do you think Sanchez would have declared if he really believed, based on all the info presented to him, that he'd be a second rounder?

If this were the case, of course he would have returned to school.

And he was roundly abused for "never being able to win the big one."

Man, if it weren't for that ****ing smilie, I would go full grammar nazi.

I think he just saw a quick payday...JMO

Otherwise why not perfect your craft when every mentor and expert says you should?

Not winning the big one in a team game while playing well over 3 seasons is different from no experience and some off the field questions.

The last part is a movie quote...;)

I have no doubt that he wants to get paid. And I don't hold this against him in the least. If he can do it, God bless 'em.

Your second sentence is far from accurate. Get rid of the absolute language. "Every"? Not hardly.

You could say the same thing about Stafford. Return. When you've demonstrated enough, there's no need.

Different sport (and the analogy isn't perfect) but you used to hear the same thing about high school players jumping right to the League. James and Bryant. Why didn't they continue to work on their craft?

He has experience. And we can't talk about non-existent issues.

I'm not saying it wasn't for the money.

However, when you want to be the best, you want to compete with the best.

How do you know he didn't do it so he could get into the NFL and begin competing with the best?

Fits his profile...

Carroll came out and said that Sanchez received a 2nd round grade from the advisory committee and that after speaking with his NFL contacts it was much better for Mark to return. Why would Carroll lie about that? Sanchez never refuted it. Supposedly just about everyone told Sanchez to go back to school. He didn't listen and he has now hired his brother (an attorney who has never represented NFL prospects before) to be his agent. He's making some questionable decisions.

Fair point

It's shrugged off because it's bullshit, and anyone that knows anything about college football or watched USC in more than the Rose Bowl knows this.

All of their talent is on the defensive side of the ball. I'd be curious to see what Mecca thinks of this, but I don't see a single 1st round talent on that offense other than Sanchez, and I'm not sure I see any 2nd round guys either. Patrick Turner is a late round guy, Scott Wright thinks he could go undrafted. There's no one on the OL that would warrant a pick before the 4th.

Fact is, he had very little talent around him. People assume because it's USC that they were stocked at every position - far from it on offense.

QB is the most important position on the field, and is subject to different rules, and you know it. As someone else pointed out recently, if you have the opportunity to draft what you think is a franchise QB at 3, and know that he won't be available at your next pick, you take him, even if it's considered a reach by fans and draft experts.

That's not dishonest at all, and your comparison is completely flawed.

Regarding Curry: If the kid was a phenomenal pass rusher, wouldn't it be stupid of the coaches to make the kids play in coverage? Do the Colts ask Peyton Manning to not throw the ball downfield? Hell no. Players are asked to do things that fit what they do best.

As for what you said about Sanchez, there are completely different factors that go into getting that opportunity. No one has any control over that situation, where the WF coaching staff has all the control when it comes to putting Curry in a position to succeed.

I don't see people being close minded, I see people that stick to their beliefs, and the way this draft is shaking out, in concert with our needs, it makes it look like people are being closed minded.

Positional value hasn't changed since last year

There are 3 positions that are generally worth a Top 5 pick: QB, LT, DE

There is 1 QB that is consistently getting a Top 5 grade, and one that is getting a grade anywhere from 1-10.

There are 3 LT's that are getting a Top 10 grade. We already have our LTOTF.

There are no DE's getting a Top 10 grade.

That's what is putting the clamps on people.

Maybe he just wants to play football, and the business side is secondary?

Maybe he doesn't care if it's 1st or 2nd round (although I really doubt that)?

Maybe he saw Thigpen play and said, "How in the hell could the Chiefs pass on me?"

OK. Most. Better?

Yes, get the money and more power to you. But It doesnt mean he should be a top 5 pick or that he accomplished anywhere near what Peyton did in TN.

I think it can be said that College FB better prepares you for the Pro game. There is a lot more to learn in FB than BB from high school to the pros.

You're completely entitled to this opinion, and nothing I say will probably make you think otherwise. Enough has already been posted to refute this line of argumentation, so I won't continue to repeat...

"The great thing is, there will be a draft. And we'll all have opinions. And there will be selections. And we'll all talk about it. It's the draft." /Herm/

Only a concern to you.

You think Pete Carroll is looking out for his best interests?

Were talking about a guy that cost Matt Leinart MILLIONS of dollars by telling him he should stay in school. Leinart likely would have been the #1 pick that year over Alex Smith had he declared.

Pete's pissed that his chances for a NC went to the pros. Nothing more, nothing less, and when Sanchez is drafted well before the 2nd round, Sanchez's decision will be vindicated.

It's laughable to think that Mark Sanchez will be a 2nd round pick.

Agreed. And thus you would also agree that Sanchez was in one of the best college programs to prepare him for the NFL?

He was in this system for years, plural. Therefore he's probably better prepared than a QB who was in a less sophisticated system for one, ONE, additional year.

Look, if 12 more games experience would make or break a player, he probably wasn't the answer to begin with.

Link?

Most draft sites didn't even have Sanchez LISTED, because people thought he's stay in school, like every other USC QB has done since Todd Marinovich.

The common factor?

Pete Carroll.

This.

The lack of common sense around here amazes me.

Again, spot on.

OTWP:
I'm not going to keep going back and forth, but just a few quick points and I'm done:

- USC has talent on offense. Look at any of the Sanchez montage's circulating and you'll see WR's wide open time and time again. They blew out the majority of their competition and it wasn't just because of Sanchez. If a QB could make that difference himself than Georgia would have went undefeated.

- As for Curry not getting after the QB. Coaches make mistakes all the time. Look at the idiotic moves that were made in KC at the pro level and how players are consistently misused. Curry's lack of sacks is a discussion point, as would be a discussion about whether Sanchez can be a good come from behind QB.

-We'll see what Sanchez' final grades are in late April. I doubt he'll be top 10 in many (overall player rankings, not mocks) at the end of the day.

Bullshit on that one.

Yes he was in a great program. I just think game experience is huge. Like I've said, I get into these debates and it looks like I hate the kid and I dont. My concern is the less you know or the more questions you have about a player, the more nervous you should be about picking him high. The risk is higher because there is less known. There is risk in every pick, but higher picks typically have less questions. I just dont want this team too draft another Blackledge. A less experienced QB behind a bad line is historically recipe for disaster.

If Sanchez isn't taken to #10 how many millions would he have lost if he returned to school and was the #1 pick in 2010?

Ever hear of busted coverage? I'm not the one who needs a 3 minute You Tube clip to judge a QB, I've actually seen his games, in their entirety.

So now WF's coaching staff is reeruned, that way you can make your point. Got it.

Uh, no you won't.

TEAMS don't disclose their grades on players. (unless they happen to mention a player in passing in a book or article)

I could care less how Mel Kiper Jr. grades him, or any other experts.

That's why they are sitting behind computers or TV stages COMMENTING on the draft, and not making the selections.

How many millions would he have lost if he went back to USC and blew out his knee?

We can do this all day.

USC QB's don't leave early, even when they are more than capable of doing so.

The common factor?

Pete Carroll.

Now you don't care where Kiper or other experts grade him, but 20 minutes ago you used it as a basis to draft him:


"There is 1 QB that is consistently getting a Top 5 grade, and one that is getting a grade anywhere from 1-10."

God, you're an idiot.

My basis for drafting him is that he's as good a prospect coming out as past QB's I've personally rated highly - Ben Roethlisberger and Jay Cutler, to be specific.

He has every physical tool you look for in a QB, delivers the ball precisely under pressure, has a tremendous work ethic, is accurate, throws well on the run, is intelligent, played in a pro-style system that will make his transition to the NFL much easier, the list goes on and on.

Unlike the majority of this board, I don't need Mel Kiper, or Mike Mayock to tell me which prospects I should like, and which one's I shouldn't.

I watch the games for myself, and come to my own conclusions.

JFC, with our current Qb situation, what else do you need to know?

We should feel thrilled if he falls to #3 because he "lacks experience".

And btw, I am getting nervous that Sanchez will rate higher to the Lions when they dive into specifics. I'm hoping it's the same ol' Lions. :)

Depends what year you're talking about with USC offensive talent, but there isn't any sort of Bush or Jarrett or anything like that lining up out there, they don't have any dominant players...

If are projecting players still there, Stafon Johnson will play in the league, Kris Odowd will be an outstanding center prospect and Damian Williams will play in the league but I doubt he's ever a 1 or anything like that.

Okay KC gets Stafford then it's a no lose situation.

On Sanchez coming out early, consider this. At the beginning of the year, he dislocated his kneecap. IIRC, it was kind of a freak play.

I'm sure the arguement of staying in school you could get hurt and lose everything resounded loudly in his head.

He could add more to his game by staying, but given what happened to him this year, I think it is the correct decision to go. And for Pete Carroll, you don't think he has a vested interest in whether his Sr QB comes back for another title run? Get real.