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Bearcat 02-09-2009 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by epitome1170 (Post 5471757)
I think he is saying more to the point that the people that did have slower reactions would be doing something else anyway. Those same people in that study should be observed in real life without texting available and they would probably be doing something else to distract them.

On top of that, the study is for the youngest generation of drivers in which distractions are much higher based on their maturity level.

I would say that in general texting will take away people's attention. However, there are people that would not be bothered by it and there are others that would just be distracted by something else anyway.
Yeah, what he said. :)

Saulbadguy 02-09-2009 12:23 PM
I'll read a message, but I won't reply.

Bowser 02-09-2009 12:25 PM
I only do it when I have to reply to my girlfriend when we're having phone sex.

Bearcat 02-09-2009 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Simplex3 (Post 5471809)
It is impossible to be doing something other than driving and not be distracted. It's kind of the definition of distracted.

If your point is that people's reaction times get better with age, I think you're going to find research is against you on that one as well.

I'm not harping on texting specifically. I'm against distracted driving for whatever reason. Everyone should ask themselves why cars get safer and safer but traffic fatalities never go down. A lot of people think it is because drivers adjust to be more distracted and dangerous because they feel safer in the car.
Yeah, but people can decide on when to be distracted. "Texting while driving" isn't a problem, IMO.... it's texting while you're driving at 65mph and passing a semi, or while you're in heavy traffic that's going 45mph. I don't think it's as simple as saying "you need to be 100% focused on the road 100% of the time" if you're used to and comfortable multitasking, if you're smart about it and use a little common sense.

Simplex3 02-09-2009 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 5471808)
Right, I came up with that based on the two examples in my post. :spock:

I've read the articles, and the problem with the one you posted is that they're mixing 17 year-olds with people who could have 8 years of experience driving. A 17yo more than likely sucks at driving to begin with, so that 35% reduction is turning a bad driver who probably doesn't pay much attention in the first place, and turning them into a dangerous driver.

Regarding that article, I don't drift out of my lane, I never drive with both hands and only use one to text, and I really don't think coming up with a text would take up much concentration at all. I don't text while I'm in traffic or passing other cars or when I'm following someone at a decent speed.

It's funny that they show a balding guy in a suit texting while driving... that should be the study, not 17yo kids. Looking back at what I did when I was a kid, I probably shouldn't have been allowed to drive at all when I was 17, of course texting is going to make it worse.
Just to satisfy my curiosity, do you look at your phone while typing in your message? If so, how long does it take to type out a two or three line message? A couple of seconds would have to be on the low end, right? In that two seconds you'll travel over 175 feet at average highway speeds. That effectively doubles the distance you need to stop your car in an emergency.

Also, those 17 year old kids have much better reaction times than the balding adults do. Aging doesn't help us in that regard.

Bugeater 02-09-2009 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 5471842)
Yeah, but people can decide on when to be distracted. "Texting while driving" isn't a problem, IMO.... it's texting while you're driving at 65mph and passing a semi, or while you're in heavy traffic that's going 45mph. I don't think it's as simple as saying "you need to be 100% focused on the road 100% of the time" if you're used to and comfortable multitasking, if you're smart about it and use a little common sense.
The problem is there is no way to separate the ones who are being smart about it and the ones who aren't. Hell there are some people who drive more carefully when they're drunk than when they're sober, but I don't think we should repeal the drunk driving laws.

epitome1170 02-09-2009 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Simplex3 (Post 5471809)
It is impossible to be doing something other than driving and not be distracted. It's kind of the definition of distracted.

If your point is that people's reaction times get better with age, I think you're going to find research is against you on that one as well.

I'm not harping on texting specifically. I'm against distracted driving for whatever reason. Everyone should ask themselves why cars get safer and safer but traffic fatalities never go down. A lot of people think it is because drivers adjust to be more distracted and dangerous because they feel safer in the car.

Where did I say that reaction times get better with age? I stated that a younger person is going to get distracted more easily... that is their nature.

To play devil's advocate then, do you listen to the radio? Look at pedestrains? Think about anything other than driving? All of those are distractions as well.

Simplex3 02-09-2009 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 5471842)
Yeah, but people can decide on when to be distracted. "Texting while driving" isn't a problem, IMO.... it's texting while you're driving at 65mph and passing a semi, or while you're in heavy traffic that's going 45mph. I don't think it's as simple as saying "you need to be 100% focused on the road 100% of the time" if you're used to and comfortable multitasking, if you're smart about it and use a little common sense.
So you get to decide when someone or something pulls out in front of you on the road? You're pretty awesome.

El Jefe 02-09-2009 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MTG#10 (Post 5469016)
I dont text at all. It pisses me off if someone sends me a text. If you have something to say, call me.
Ok gramps :).

epitome1170 02-09-2009 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 5471842)
Yeah, but people can decide on when to be distracted. "Texting while driving" isn't a problem, IMO.... it's texting while you're driving at 65mph and passing a semi, or while you're in heavy traffic that's going 45mph. I don't think it's as simple as saying "you need to be 100% focused on the road 100% of the time" if you're used to and comfortable multitasking, if you're smart about it and use a little common sense.
This

epitome1170 02-09-2009 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 5471862)
The problem is there is no way to separate the ones who are being smart about it and the ones who aren't. Hell there are some people who drive more carefully when they're drunk than when they're sober, but I don't think we should repeal the drunk driving laws.
So you want to pass a law to stop all texting? Sounds a bit socialistic for a democratic society.

Bugeater 02-09-2009 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by epitome1170 (Post 5471870)
Where did I say that reaction times get better with age? I stated that a younger person is going to get distracted more easily... that is their nature.

To play devil's advocate then, do you listen to the radio? Look at pedestrains? Think about anything other than driving? All of those are distractions as well.
Some are worse than others, the ones that require the use of a hand or taking ones eyes off the road repeatedly are the most dangerous IMO. I have no problem with someone talking on a cell phone if they're using a hands free device.

Bugeater 02-09-2009 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by epitome1170 (Post 5471882)
So you want to pass a law to stop all texting? Sounds a bit socialistic for a democratic society.
That was quite a leap, I didn't say that at all.

Simplex3 02-09-2009 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by epitome1170 (Post 5471870)
Where did I say that reaction times get better with age? I stated that a younger person is going to get distracted more easily... that is their nature.

To play devil's advocate then, do you listen to the radio? Look at pedestrains? Think about anything other than driving? All of those are distractions as well.
I don't take my eyes off the road if my car is moving. Hell, I watch the surrounding traffic when I'm stopped at a light. Paid off on Friday because some whore in an SUV would have rear ended me. I saw her coming in my rear view mirror and could see she was watching her phone instead of the cars stopped in front of her. I pulled into another lane, she slammed on her brakes and barely stopped before slamming into the guy who was in front of me. Late 30's, early 40's.

Bearcat 02-09-2009 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Simplex3 (Post 5471843)
Just to satisfy my curiosity, do you look at your phone while typing in your message? If so, how long does it take to type out a two or three line message? A couple of seconds would have to be on the low end, right? In that two seconds you'll travel over 175 feet at average highway speeds. That effectively doubles the distance you need to stop your car in an emergency.

Also, those 17 year old kids have much better reaction times than the balding adults do. Aging doesn't help us in that regard.
I don't have to look at what I'm typing much, and for common words I know the minimum of what I have to type before it fills it in for me, but I never take my eyes off the road for more than a second or two. Again, I don't text if I'm closely following someone, especially at highway speeds.

It's probably more likely that I'd get into a wreck because someone in front of me slammed on their brakes while I was looking over my shoulder to check my blind spot than because of texting.

I'm sure they have better reaction times, but they already don't have much driving experience, and you're reducing their concentration on top of that. If I mixed my 17yo driving habits with a cell phone, I'd be f***ed.

Bearcat 02-09-2009 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Simplex3 (Post 5471871)
So you get to decide when someone or something pulls out in front of you on the road? You're pretty awesome.
I pay enough attention to know my surroundings....

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 5471862)
The problem is there is no way to separate the ones who are being smart about it and the ones who aren't. Hell there are some people who drive more carefully when they're drunk than when they're sober, but I don't think we should repeal the drunk driving laws.
....the problem is that you can't eliminate all distractions. I might be looking down at my phone for a second, but is that any more/less distracting than a parent yelling at their kids while glaring at them in the rear view mirror, or having a car full of people, or talking on a cell phone, or flipping radio stations, or driving after a big argument, or trying to figure out where you're going?

I know what you're saying... it's not as simple as Darwinism, because they could kill someone else, but if an idiot that doesn't pay enough attention to the road while texting gets his phone taken away, they won't pay more attention tomorrow... they'll probably find something else to do to pass the time while they're driving.

Edit: And I know that doesn't necessarily mean we shouldn't still ban the highest distractions, I just think the whole cell phone/texting debate is overblown. Then again, I'd like to think I'm not an idiot about it. ;)

Molitoth 02-09-2009 12:57 PM
unfortunatly I do. I know, I am a bad person.

Simplex3 02-09-2009 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 5471964)
Edit: And I know that doesn't necessarily mean we shouldn't still ban the highest distractions, I just think the whole cell phone/texting debate is overblown. Then again, I'd like to think I'm not an idiot about it. ;)
As much as it may sound like it I'm not for a law banning it. Just another bullshit law that can't be enforced. However, I am all for ticketing the bejesus out of people who are driving like idiots.

sedated 02-09-2009 01:14 PM
I have started a text at a red light, then caught myself continuing the text after the light turns green. I text so often, I can fill a page without looking down at the numbers, so my eyes are always on the road. Doesn't take away from the fact that its a distraction, but I'm a rock-hard badass, I go 100 miles per hour through life on my motorcycle, don't look back, take no prisoners, leave a good looking corpse, bang skanky chicks without rubbers, send money to nigerian princesses, and you can suck my d!ck if you have a problem with it.

Pablo 02-09-2009 01:14 PM
Nah..I gotta have a free hand for my beer..

Inspector 02-09-2009 01:46 PM
No, texting disturbs my naps.

RJ 02-09-2009 02:48 PM
Texting while driving is foolish behavior and inconsiderate of others.

My wife's 20 year old cousin died in a car crash last year. He was texting while driving about 65 mph on I-25. With his eyes not watching the road he drifted on to the shoulder. When he realized what was happening he over-corrected and rolled his vehicle. He was killed immediately, his girlfriend fortunately lived.

He was a good kid, his mom misses him horribly. Stupid way to die, stupid thing to do.

Saulbadguy 02-09-2009 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RJ (Post 5472374)
Texting while driving is foolish behavior and inconsiderate of others.

My wife's 20 year old cousin died in a car crash last year. He was texting while driving about 65 mph on I-25. With his eyes not watching the road he drifted on to the shoulder. When he realized what was happening he over-corrected and rolled his vehicle. He was killed immediately, his girlfriend fortunately lived.

He was a good kid, his mom misses him horribly. Stupid way to die, stupid thing to do.
Was he wearing his seatbelt? Just curious.

RJ 02-09-2009 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 5472379)
Was he wearing his seatbelt? Just curious.

Good question. I don't recall, maybe my wife will know.

Saulbadguy 02-09-2009 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 5471907)
I don't have to look at what I'm typing much, and for common words I know the minimum of what I have to type before it fills it in for me, but I never take my eyes off the road for more than a second or two. Again, I don't text if I'm closely following someone, especially at highway speeds.

It's probably more likely that I'd get into a wreck because someone in front of me slammed on their brakes while I was looking over my shoulder to check my blind spot than because of texting.

I'm sure they have better reaction times, but they already don't have much driving experience, and you're reducing their concentration on top of that. If I mixed my 17yo driving habits with a cell phone, I'd be f***ed.
A second or two is all it really takes. I'm guilty of doing things like that too, but I have looked away for a couple seconds and had to have corrected my steering because I veered off a bit.

Saulbadguy 02-09-2009 02:58 PM
http://cjonline.com/stories/020909/bre_texting.shtml

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Key message: KHP down on texting, driving
The Capital-Journal
Published Monday, February 9, 2009 at 2:54 p.m. CST

The Kansas Highway Patrol today offered a heavy message for motorists who like texting while behind the wheel.
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Sending, reading and writing messages on a cell phone is dangerous at the least and lethal at the worst, said KHP Maj. Mark Bruce.

“It is no surprise that the ability to safely operate a vehicle diminishes as our attention is divided in the performance of multiple tasks such as driving and sending, reading and writing text messages,” Bruce told the House Transportation Committee.

The committee gathered testimony today on House Bill 2132, which would make it illegal for driver of a vehicle in Kansas to engage in text messaging. The highway patrol and the Kansas Department of Transportation endorsed the legislation.

Pete Bodyk, manager of the traffic safety section in the transportation department, said seven states and the District of Columbia ban texting while driving. Nine other states prohibit novice drivers from driving while using a texting device.

“Far too many lives are lost on our highways each year,” Bodyk said. “Any law that removes a distraction from a driver will contribute to making all travelers in Kansas safer.”

RJ 02-09-2009 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 5472379)
Was he wearing his seatbelt? Just curious.

I asked and yes, he was.

Which is sort of interesting. He wore a seat belt, most likely because it was a law and had been ingrained in him since childhood. But he was texting while driving on the freeway. With his seat belt on. Ironic.

I'm old enough to remember when seat belt laws evoked the same reactions as cell phone laws. Now, most people don't want to ride in a car without a seat belt.


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