May have already been posted but did not see it...

A source close to Romeo Crennel said Tuesday night the former Cleveland head coach and former New England defensive coordinator is not close to joining the Kansas City staff as a defensive coordinator. It is possible, at some point, the source said, that Crennel could join former New England colleague Scott Pioli as a defensive consultant.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcwest/0...and-notes.html

I'm waiting to hear anyone put forward a logical reason to withhold that information if they know it. Maybe they just don't give a shit that their fans are interested?

And I'm waiting to hear a reason to announce the hirings if they didn't already know who was coaching what.

When Pioli and Haley met with them, did they just say you're going to coach the Chiefs and we'll decide your position later?

But yes, keep believing it's chaos.

It's obvious they're waiting on something. If they announce Gibbs as DC and then hire Crennel, what are they going to do, retract their announcement? On the other hand, if they announce him as LB coach and Crennel (or whoever) doesn't come aboard, how do they explain Gibbs' sudden promotion next week without giving away that they didn't get their man?

There may be other hires in the same vein. Hunt said they weren't through yet.

The net result is that they still don't know what jobs one or more of those guys are going to have.

If the coordinators are not known at 1 Arrowhead Drive already then this whole hiring thing is bass-ackwards. You don't hire the assistants and then tell your new coordinator this is who you have to work with. You hire the coordinator and then at the very least give them a chance for serious input on who they wants to have working for them.

I don't think Romeo is going to coach this season....He is supposedly going to have a hip replaced

Another sacrifice
the volcano gods
demand quality

what exactly does this guy do?

why is he consider a coach and not a front office guy?


NATE WAINWRIGHT

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/staff/nate_wainwright.jpg <table width="350" border="0"> <tbody><tr valign="top"><td style="width: 120px;">Position</td><td>Manager of Football Operations/Player Development</td></tr> <tr valign="top"><td>Year Hired</td><td>2006</td></tr> <tr valign="top"><td>Hometown</td><td>Wilton, Iowa</td></tr> <tr valign="top"><td>College</td><td>Iowa</td></tr> <tr valign="top"><td>Degrees</td><td>B.A. Communications</td></tr> </tbody></table> Professional Bio

8th Year NFL Coach • 3rd with Chiefs
Nate Wainwright is entering his third season with the Chiefs. After serving as Manager of Football Administration from 2006-07, he currently serves as the club’s Manager of Football Operations/Player Development in 2008. In addition to his football duties, Wainwright also works with the club’s players in conjunction with Lamonte Winston and the Chiefs Player Development Department.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/images...90043459796129Wainwright came to Kansas City after a five-year stint working with head coach Herm Edwards as a member of the N.Y. Jets staff from 2001-05. Wainwright held the title of Executive Adminstrator to the Head Coach/Coaching Assistant with the Jets in 2005 after serving as a coaching assistant during his first four years with that organization.



The Wilton, Iowa native returned to his Midwestern roots in 2006, joining Edwards in Kansas City. Wainwright reports directly to the Chiefs head coach and performs a variety of both football and administrative duties, serving as a liason between the Kansas City coaching staff and other departments within the Chiefs organization. Wainwright is involved in assisting with the football budget and also works closely with the club executives in the adminstration of training camp.



Wainwright works in close conjunction with the Chiefs defensive coaching staff fulfilling a number of duties during the off-season, training camp and regular season. He assists defensive backs coach David Gibbs in tutoring the clubs defensive backfield. He also coordinates the team’s schedules with Edwards and implements the club’s organizational timeline during practice and during pregame warm-ups. In addition, he handles a variety of logistical issues that arise when integrating a wide range of other events at Arrowhead Stadium around the club’s football schedule.


During his tenure with Edwards in New York, Wainwright worked with the Jets defensive coaching staff, handling various duties including game plan preparations, self-scouting reports and offensive tendency reports. His in-game responsibilities in the coaching booth ranged from communicating down and distance information to the field, as well as identifying personnel packages and presenting information for potential tactical adjustments at halftime.
Wainwright began his NFL career in ‘98 as a Ticket Sales Intern with the New Orleans Saints before earning a full-time position as a Ticket Sales Executive with the Saints in 2000. He also assisted the Saints coaching staff on a volunteer basis during his tenure in New Orleans.
A graduate of the University of Iowa with a degree in Communications, he was a high school letterman in five different sports (football, baseball, basketball, golf and track) at Wilton High School in Wilton, Iowa.

Personal Bio

Education: University of Iowa (B.A. ‘98). Born: Wilton, Iowa. Family: Wife - Natalie.

Its not blindly following, its respecting a persons track record enough to know he knows a lot more than jackoffs on a website chat board.
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we have a Pioli groupie LMAO

What is that old saying?

An ass by any other name is still an ass.

Great comeback. You are another.
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Good god ladies, the fact is these hirings are riddled with question marks. And we're right to question them, they look awful and transparent on paper...and none of their moves outside of Pioli thus far feel deliberate. I'm not down on Haley yet, but even that just feels shaky. I'd much rather have had Ryan, but I'm willing to go with Haley, providing he doesn't surround himself with turds and/or friends who have no business being here.

We "blew up" the roster a couple years ago with Herm and Carl in a "rebuilding movement". Unfortunately, we're rebuilding again two years later, that's how piss-poor a job those two did. At least they added last year's draft, that was a good class and we made out well.

We're witnessing a new era in KC, I just hope that the first year of this era doesn't prove to be about a month late to the dance on some pretty important hires. Our coaching staff is going to play a HUGE role in our extremely young team, so again, we're right to question this potential nightmare.

LMAO

You are such a moron

Hahaha. Potential nightmare

Overreact much?
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Mods: can we get a name change from Pioli_Zombie to Pioli_Fluffer?

Oh I see. Cut down Pioli and its intelligent discussion. Understand that Pioli knows what he's doing and its being a jackass

What a bunch of morons
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THIS!

But hey! This is probably "The Patriots Way", so who are we to wonder aloud. We should all just be quiet blind sheep, and drink the kool-aid.

You know what's intelligent?

Recognizing the difference between "cutting down Pioli" and simply having questions.

No there haven't been just questions. Chaos ass backwards etc etc. People are going off the deep end not with their questions but with their moronic assessments. Apparently they can dish it out pretty well but when its pointed out its baseless and a track record of the guy they are harpooning is brought up they can't take it
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yay Krumrie's still here; more hand slap bullshit :shake:

Says the idiot who came into this thread making accusations that weren't present.

Sure. Nobody here has been critical of Pioli.

I love chiefs fans mocking the patriot way

Hmmmmmm
Patriot way - 3 super bowl championships and nearly 2 others

Chiefs way. - zero super bowls in 40 frickin years

But hey. What do the patriots know........
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I don't care if people question decisions. I just think it's hilarious that people are so negative about coaches they know nothing about. Do these guys motivate players? Do players respond well to them? Do they teach good fundamentals? These are questions we know NOTHING about, and we choose to have a strong opinion anyway. That's especially true for positions coaches--how the **** do we know that a guy like Gary Gibbs isn't outstanding at teaching fundamentals. Have we seen him on the practice field actually teaching players? No. All we can judge these guys on is what we see on paper. That is exactly the problem. And worse, we're assuming because a guy like Pendergast couldn't call good plays that that means he can't coach players. We are blasting the GM for decisions because of some stats and numbers we looked up on Google. Are you serious? Haley and Pioli have worked closely with most of these guys. Don't we think they know just a little bit more about these guys than we do?

We don't know anything about these guys and yet we're willing to rip on the GM that brought him in. It's ridiculous. I'm not blindly supporting these guys. I'm just willing to give them at least an offseason before I start making judgments about them. Innocent before proven guilty.

The majority of all criticism has centered on Mr. Slappy.

I'd say we have somewhat of an idea about what he brings to the table.

Why do peope always refer back to this? It's just a ****in drill people, christ.

I think the one thing I've learned this offseason is that we're all bored as shit and will argue over absolutely anything.

will not

Yes you will

you're full of shit

**** you, moron.

die

He was just being held back by Herm.


:)

Will not.

So you have no questions as to why Krumrine was retained?

Or he really would have slapped the shit out of people.

There's tons of stupid shit going around, though.

Kevin Harlan was on the radio earlier, stating that he didn't think it was a sure bet that Gunther was NOT going to be retained.

Now, Harlan was clearly talking out his ass because of a lack of something substantive to discuss, but imagine the meltdown around here if that had transpired...

Careful chiefzilla. These are football geniuses who know more than Pioli. They know more about what these coaches bring to the table. So back off before you are labeled a "dumbass" for giving the new GM and coach a month to turn things around

Why. I think Pioli should just let chiefs planet posters do the drafting
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Actually saw the "held back by Herm" excuse floated on the kc_chiefs Yahoo mailing list this morning.

Of course. It's always something.

Apparently Pioli must think the same thing. Guess we'll see.

I'd put the over/under at about 8 games to see dramatic improvement in the line play, or Slap Dick is going to call down the full fury of the Planet.

There's just simply not going to be much patience following an historically inept season.

this

drill would be fine if the dline under him didn't suck and make him look like a chump with his stupid drill

Patience? Really. So what are you going to do? What do you expect next year, a ****ing super bowl. Hate to bring up history but the patriots went 5-11 belichicks first year. I guess he should have been fired right?

You want quick fix. Too bad

Its going to be done the right way not how the fans say to do it thank God.
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You came into this thread this morning and started complaining about garbage that WAS NOT PRESENT IN THIS THREAD. What do you not understand about this?

Patience regarding the overall quality of the D-line play, coming off a 10 sack season.

That's all.

This comment makes clear that you've read very few posts by the regulars in this forum, so it would be best to get a little better feel for the tenor of the conversation before needlessly spewing nonsense.

You realy are a ****ing reerun arent you. Nobody is thinking Super Bowl for the Chiefs this year. Why dont you go back to the New England board jackass.

FYP

I have questions. A lot of them. But there was some reason Krumrie was kept. I thought he should have been one of the first people fired next to Gun. But Pioli knows a lot more about him than we do.

I also know that Herm Edwards was cut out of the equation even though Clark Hunt was loyal to him. And I know that half of the staff was cut. And this was clearly a decision that was not made out of loyalty and given how long Pioli ruminated on the decision, it was carefully evaluated. I'm not saying I blindly trust Pioli, but this is a clear example of a case where I will trust his judgment and will be evaluating Krumrie closely throughout the year to see if Pioli's instinct was right.

Do I blame Pioli for keeping Krumrie? No. Will I blame him by midseason if our d-line shows no improvement or regresses? Yes.

That's a euphemism for beating off, right?

You "won an argument with yourself"?

Before I ever posted on a semi-regular basis, I lurked for a long time so that I could have somewhat a foundation to build upon before running my mouth.

These n00bs break in on the middle a ****ing conversation, and then seem shocked that they have no idea what the **** is going on.

Regresses? Is that possible?

I don't argue with myself. I already know I'm right. ;)

Good point.

Don't tempt fate.

Not if they draft Curry. /TF/

:clap:

Hell, I am thrilled we have Pioli. What I don't like is the fact that jackass's come on here and tell us we won't draft a QB in the 1st round because... that is not "The Patriots Way". Crap like that!

I could give a crap less about the Partiots.

And I would like to know why Krumrine is still here. Was it Gun? Was it Herm? had to be something, because that dude has been handed some pretty high ranked players and they have all stayed pretty much the same or have gotten worse under his watch.

What is this midseason crap? This franchise was run into the sewer. You think its all going to be wonderful in 8 games??

And all this talk about patience. Shut up!!! Go watch the Raiders then. You think Pioli cares about your patience. That was carl's hangup. Pioli cares about building it right. You worry about fast.
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What you said. Just a bit late on the draw. :)

I can't figure who's the bigger moron: PioliZombie or Zilla.

Excellent point right there, Mr. chiefzilla1501.

However, it makes me wonder (I haven't researched the matter) if Patty Cakes has any history at all with the Parcells mafia.

FAX

It's baffling... and I would think Pioli would know the DL positions better than any other on the team since he played DT.

He played and coached for Cincinnati, then coached for Buffalo and KC. :shrug:

Yeah anyone who has patience is a moron

Patience. So cracks me up. What are you guys gonna do? Storm arrowhead? Haha

Face it. You don't have any decision making authority. You aren't employees of the chiefs. They will not care what you think. And then in time they will win and you finally understand
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For a zombie, you sure do talk a lot. I doubt very seriously if any Planeteer believes that this is going to be a "fast" turnaround. There are posters on this board with extraordinary football acumen and knowledge.

Perhaps it would be best if you hold your arms straight out in front of you and walk with a kind of stumbling shuffle into some oncoming traffic.

FAX

:LOL:

Haha. Its baffling. Pioli played DT. Why doesn't he see what us geniuses see

Haha. Simple.

Because he is the one WHO KNOWS FOOTBALL
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Nope. The loosest association you can make was that he coached for Coughlin very briefly. Other than that, it's clear that the only link was KC.

This has to be Midnight_Vulture.

Here Zombi, read this one...

Whitlock: Someone should be fired for way Chiefs using Dorsey

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http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...ry/947588.html

After the Chiefs’ latest loss — a 38-31 thriller to the Dolphins courtesy of Kansas City’s three-point second-half explosion — I intended to write a column summarizing what progress has been made this season.

It was going to be a very short story. But then, as I was standing in the corner waiting to get a private word with Herm Edwards, a squatty, would-be linebacker/fullback walked by me on the way to the shower. Tattooed on the back of his shoulders were six rather large letters D-O-R-S-E-Y.

“That’s Glenn Dorsey, the Chiefs’ No. 1 draft pick?”

The realization totally blew my mind. Oh, I’ve seen Dorsey plenty in the locker room after games. But never barefoot. And never without a clear view of his face. Until Sunday, I had no clue that Glenn Dorsey is a shade below 6 feet tall. You put him in a police lineup with other NFL players, and you peg him as a plodding fullback. He’s Lorenzo Neal.

Now Dorsey’s disappointing season makes perfect sense, and the case to retain Herm Edwards and his coaching staff gets even more difficult to argue.

What in the hell are they doing playing Dorsey straight-up over a guard?

This is the single-worst, defensive-strategy decision I’ve seen in 15 years of covering the NFL. Honestly, defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham and defensive-line coach Tim Krumrie should be fired today and not allowed to travel to Cincinnati for the season finale.

And Herm Edwards owes Clark Hunt a detailed explanation of why he allowed Dorsey’s rookie season to be wasted by a boneheaded scheme. Short of Cunningham and Krumrie owning compromising blackmail photos of Edwards, Hunt has no choice but to promptly relieve Edwards of his responsibilities.

You don’t draft a 5-foot-11, 300-pound defensive tackle at No. 5 overall, give him $20-plus million in guaranteed money and then ask him to be a run-stuffer lined head-up over a guard.

For those of you who know little about line play, it’s the equivalent of the Indianapolis Colts turning Peyton Manning into an option quarterback. If Indianapolis did that, Colts fans would justifiably rush the field and trample Tony Dungy and his offensive coaching staff.

Dorsey is listed at 6-1, 297 pounds. Even at those dimensions, the strategy is asininely inappropriate. But if Dorsey is 6-1, then I’m the bastard son of Carl Peterson and Oprah Winfrey.

Dorsey is a butterball, a Jerry Ball, a three-technique tackle who should line up on the outside shoulder of the guard and explode upfield. That’s the only way he can be successful in the NFL. As long as he lines up helmet to helmet with a guard, he’ll remain a line-of-scrimmage statue.

“He has no chance in pass rush,” guard Brian Waters told me. “I love it when a guy lines head-up.”

Members of the Chiefs’ scouting department have blamed Dorsey’s subpar rookie season on the extra weight they allege he’s carrying. I’ve been told on two separate occasions that KC’s scouting department evaluated a 300-pounder who is now playing at 315. The personnel guys stand behind their evaluation of Dorsey, the insinuation being a lighter Dorsey would be a more effective Dorsey.

“The way we’re playing him, he better be 315,” Waters said. “He would get destroyed in the run game at 300.”

Given his size and style of play at LSU, there’s only one justification for taking Dorsey at No. 5: You believe he has a chance to be the kind of backfield-disrupter that Warren Sapp (6-1, 300 in his prime) was. Sapp used his explosiveness, quickness and power to get in gaps and force the action.

The Chiefs are using Dorsey as if he’s Albert Haynesworth, the 6-6, 320-pound Tennessee Pro Bowler. Haynesworth goes wherever he wants on the football field. He takes whatever space he desires.

I have no idea whether the right scheme would improve Dorsey’s production. I question his footwork, quickness and explosion. Maybe those shortcomings would disappear with weight loss and being asked to do what he’s capable.

I do know this season may have damaged him permanently. Competition is a game of confidence. Walking into that locker room and watching film of getting blown up week after week can be demoralizing to any player.

This is simply inexcusable. Most high school coaches would know better than to use Dorsey the way the Chiefs have this season. Dorsey’s use indicates a level of dysfunction between the coaching staff and personnel department that is mind-boggling.

Rather than sort through the mess and try to discern who’s to blame for the poor communication, Hunt has every right to blow up everyone and start over.

I don't think so, Mr. DaKCMan AP. Midnight_Vulva didn't capitalize his hahas.

FAX

I seem to have more faith in the future of the kansas city chiefs than the so-called fans here on chiefsplanet. And in a couple of years when the chiefs are contending for a title you guys will be the first ones waving your pom poms and talking up Pioli and talking about what great and knowledgable fans you are.
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Most here are already great and knowledgable fans. Great people as well. We just have a couple of questions on our minds.

Given the level of green bars, I'd say it's almost a certainty that this poster is a duplicate account.

Either that, or there are a lot of silent True Fans participating in this thread.

So?? So Jason Whitlock knows more than Pioli? And how do you know that after all the coaching assessments it was determined that this was not Krumries call?
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Your loyalty is admirable, Mr. Pioli Zombie. Your social style and synapse function, however, appear leave a little something to be desired.

I guess I fail to see where any poster is harboring an expectation that this re-re-build will be "fast". Or, frankly, where anyone has demonstrated a lack of faith in Pioli's abilities.

Retaining Patty Cakes is somewhat of a mystery. One can't argue the fact that our d-line has been horrendous or the fact that Mr. Cakes has had some very high draft picks with which to work. So, either he's as slow on the draw as some zombies I know and they've kept him on out of pity or there's more to the story.

FAX

This stuff about Krumrie is super-reactionary.

Mr. FAX, that could be a subtle deflection technique. Insulting posters, excessive use of "Haha" and posting via a mobile device fits the Bock description.

ROFL

Fax, you always crack me up...

Ooohh. The conspiracy theory. I have two accounts. Ooooooo

Because you can't stand I'm calling you out on your shit?

Again, this bullshit about how you are just asking questions is bullshit. They aren't questions. They have been your own answers and accusations. I didn't know the chiefs had so many lousy fans
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:huh: You lost me there buddy! I think everyone here has watch and seen exactly what Whitlock says in this article. And FWIW, Whitlock played college ball on the D-line. But this thread isn't about Whitlock.

And that is what most of us would like to know. Who is responsible for screwing up the D-linemen like Dorsey? Is it Krumrine? Shouldn't take too long for some of those questions to be answered. Half a season maybe?

Perhaps. But endowing Midnight_Vulva with the capability of employing anything remotely similar to "subtle deflection techniques" is kind of a stretch, don't you think?

FAX

What's the difference if I post from a blackberry or from your mothers computer in her basement like you do? Yeah and its a good thing nobody ever insults posters here
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What exactly are you calling me out on? Please provide examples.

I'm thinking the earlier mentioned doughnut theory has some merit!

You're confusing yourself, n00b. It's Claythan that lives at home in his parents basement.