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Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5513068)
you haven't watched him play, or even bothered to research his accomplishments or record, or even bothered to learn about the team he played on and literally had to carry...that makes you a) lazy and b) stupid


the people quoted in this article are exactly like you - lazy and stupid...they don't bother to provide any context or analysis for what are hilariously absurd statements...

i've been over his history, stats, and team, in detail...i don't care what lazy, stupid people like you think...i care when lazy, stupid people like you get quoted in articles and other lazy, stupid noobs show up screaming, "AH-HA!...he sucks, lets draft Freeman omg boner!!" or some such lazy, stupid shit that lazy, stupid noobs are prone to say....

if you have a claim to make, then make it and defend it with actual a) facts and b) context.....otherwise lazy, stupid people like you, and those noobs, and the cowards in this article are wasting all of our time and making this place ****ing dumber by the ****ing second....

is that clear enough for you, you lazy stupid piece of shit?

man, i promised i wouldn't even discuss until the draft...but this place is now infested with zombie ****ing reeruns....

Yeah people who don't agree with you are lazy stupid reeruns. **** you. 85 percent said yesterday they wouldn't be upset if they didn't draft a qb. For the majority I will say again **** you.
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the Talking Can 02-21-2009 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5513222)
Yeah people who don't agree with you are lazy stupid reeruns. **** you. 85 percent said yesterday they wouldn't be upset if they didn't draft a qb. For the majority I will say again **** you.
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another know-nothing fuktard....

Deberg_1990 02-21-2009 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5513222)
For the majority I will say again **** you.
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Wow, you will make friends around here fast.

milkman 02-21-2009 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5513189)
Well FTR douchebag, plenty of folks yesterday said that they would. So if you wouldn't what's your problem?
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My problem is you've smoked so much Pioli you no longer have a ****ing mind of your own, Pioli Smoker.

Rigodan 02-21-2009 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5513242)
My problem is you've smoked so much Pioli you no longer have a ****ing mind of your own, Pioli Smoker.

This

All you've said on here is that if Pioli doesn't think a player is worth the pick don't draft him. You've haven't made any logical arguments on here about anything Chiefs related, you've just said you trust Pioli. 400 posts on here so far and that's all you've managed to say...

Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 03:21 PM

Some brilliant responses. What more would you need for me to say other than that? Apparently you geniuses want pioli to draft stafford or sanchez even if he didn't think they were #3 pick value

I'm not really concerned if the obnoxious 15 percent don't care for my opinions or how I come about them. I've been sworn at plenty so I don't feel bad for throwing it back

Here's an Idea. When people on chiefs planet say they'd like the chiefs to get a linebacker or a WR Or a lineman, instead of calling them reeruns noobs trolls etc. How about answering why you disagree like a grown up instead of like some asshole fratboys who have to send laundry home to mommy.
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Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 5513236)
Wow, you will make friends around here fast.

I have based on feedback I've gotten in private. Not surprising since 85 percent agree with me on the draft question
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RustShack 02-21-2009 03:35 PM

I love how people think Pioli doesn't think Stafford or Sanchez doesn't have #3 value ROFL

How the **** do you know? If you don't have anything to say besides you love Pioli then don't say anything. The people who like Stafford and Sanchez have multiple reasons and will tell you, the people who are against it are the scared fans who want the "safe" pick and just pull BS out of their ass.

Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5513387)
I love how people think Pioli doesn't think Stafford or Sanchez doesn't have #3 value ROFL

How the **** do you know? If you don't have anything to say besides you love Pioli then don't say anything. The people who like Stafford and Sanchez have multiple reasons and will tell you, the people who are against it are the scared fans who want the "safe" pick and just pull BS out of their ass.

I didn't SAY Pioli doesn't think they have #3 value. I said if he didn't think they did he will and he should pick someone else.

Read much?
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Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5513387)
I love how people think Pioli doesn't think Stafford or Sanchez doesn't have #3 value ROFL

How the **** do you know? If you don't have anything to say besides you love Pioli then don't say anything. The people who like Stafford and Sanchez have multiple reasons and will tell you, the people who are against it are the scared fans who want the "safe" pick and just pull BS out of their ass.

In your own word. How the **** do you know that? Aren't secure enough in your opinions you have to hide behind your swear words?
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Mecca 02-21-2009 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5513370)
I have based on feedback I've gotten in private. Not surprising since 85 percent agree with me on the draft question
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Great if you headed over to some other forums 99% would agree with you that doesn't impress me this fan base is loaded with dipshits who think the Chiefs winning most of their home games and giving them a social event to drink and eat it is good enough. People that long for the 90s team that never won shit...

Oh and by the way Mark Sanchez brother is a Yale educated lawyer he is by no means dumb.

Coogs 02-21-2009 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5513222)
**** you. 85 percent said yesterday they wouldn't be upset if they didn't draft a qb. Posted via Mobile Device

That is not exactly true. The middle option stated "grudgingly". There is no guarantee Stafford or Sanchez is even going to be available at the #3 pick. that is why I went with the grudgingly option.

And I suspect grudgingly around here means a lot more than the 15% you are talking about will not be all fuzzy if we do not come out of this with a QB at the top of the draft.

Me. I would trade up to make sure we got one of the two. And maybe even more so today given the fact that the 0-linemen don't appear to be top 5 worthy.

Mecca 02-21-2009 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 5513481)
That is not exactly true. The middle option stated "grudgingly". There is no guarantee Stafford or Sanchez is even going to be available at the #3 pick. that is why I went with the grudgingly option.

And I suspect grudgingly around here means a lot more than the 15% you are talking about will not be all fuzzy if we do not come out of this with a QB at the top of the draft.

Me. I would trade up to make sure we got one of the two.

Dude there are people that would be stoked if we took a RT 3rd...

Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5513436)
Great if you headed over to some other forums 99% would agree with you that doesn't impress me this fan base is loaded with dipshits who think the Chiefs winning most of their home games and giving them a social event to drink and eat it is good enough. People that long for the 90s team that never won shit...

Oh and by the way Mark Sanchez brother is a Yale educated lawyer he is by no means dumb.

Here another mecca classic right up there with "the draft is my thing". You want to draft sanchez.....because his brother went to Yale????????
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Coogs 02-21-2009 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5513485)
Dude there are people that would be stoked if we took a RT 3rd...


Oh, I know Mecca. I watched the combine today. None of the O-linemen appeared to be top 5 candidates. Casserly had none of them being as good as Thomas from the Browns.

mikey23545 02-21-2009 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5512761)
Next year when Bradford, TeBow and McCoy are available is the year to address the QB position, right?

Oh, great, we've gone from the BPA philosophy of drafting to the WBAGPANY (Won't Be Any Good Players Available Next Year) philosophy....

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-21-2009 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5512612)

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5512626)
Spooge mop operator at the the 25 cent theater next to Lucas Oil Stadium.

ROFL

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5512629)
Why would Stafford not throw? I just don't understand it. He has a million dollar arm.

The talent at the top of this draft sucks. It figures the year we are in position to pick up a stud, there might not be there one for the taking.

I want Sanchez, but I can see why people feel that neither is worth a top 10 selection.

The problem is, there aren't many guys in this draft worthy of top 10 picks.

Give me Sanchez and I'll be happy as hell.

This.

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5512689)
This is outragous. Don't they know stafford is the next joe montana and sanchez is the next drew bledsoe?
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Do you mission plan your ****-tardery in the morning, or does it just come naturally?

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5512699)
Would you like to actually contribute something to this forum someday?

Like addition by subtraction perhaps?

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5512765)
1 spread monkey, 1 TE, and 1 Brodie Croyle.

That sounds like the perfect ****ing time. What's not to like?

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5513242)
My problem is you've smoked so much Pioli you no longer have a ****ing mind of your own, Pioli Smoker.

ROFL

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5513436)
Great if you headed over to some other forums 99% would agree with you that doesn't impress me this fan base is loaded with dipshits who think the Chiefs winning most of their home games and giving them a social event to drink and eat it is good enough. People that long for the 90s team that never won shit...

Oh and by the way Mark Sanchez brother is a Yale educated lawyer he is by no means dumb.

I'll sponsor him at Chiefs Crowd; it's a perfect match.

Mecca 02-21-2009 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 5513498)
Oh, I know Mecca. I watched the combine today. None of the O-linemen appeared to be top 5 candidates. Casserly had none of them being as good as Thomas from the Browns.

That didn't stop Jake Long from going 1st last year...Monroe and Jason Smith are likely both going top 6 picks.

Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 5513481)
That is not exactly true. The middle option stated "grudgingly". There is no guarantee Stafford or Sanchez is even going to be available at the #3 pick. that is why I went with the grudgingly option.

And I suspect grudgingly around here means a lot more than the 15% you are talking about will not be all fuzzy if we do not come out of this with a QB at the top of the draft.

Me. I would trade up to make sure we got one of the two. And maybe even more so today given the fact that the 0-linemen don't appear to be top 5 worthy.

Wrong. The option was grudgingly but would accept it if pioli doesn't feel the qb is worth a 3. That is my view that if pioli doesn't think those qbs are woth it then don't reach. Its 15 percent who think no matter what gotta draft a qb. You see they know more than pioli sure.
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Coogs 02-21-2009 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey23545 (Post 5513502)
Oh, great, we've gone from the BPA philosophy of drafting to the WBAGPANY (Won't Be Any Good Players Available Next Year) philosophy....

Not hardly! Top 10 is fantastic next year on the defensive side of the ball. Way better than this season.

Mecca 02-21-2009 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 5513510)
Not hardly! Top 10 is fantastic next year on the defensive side of the ball. Way better than this season.

The top 5 of next years defensive side is better than any defensive player in the draft...

Coogs 02-21-2009 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5513509)
Wrong. The option was grudgingly but would accept it if pioli doesn't feel the qb is worth a 3. That is my view that if pioli doesn't think those qbs are woth it then don't reach. Its 15 percent who think no matter what gotta draft a qb. You see they know more than pioli sure.
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4321 Asshat!

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-21-2009 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 5513517)
4321 Asshat!

ROFL

He came out of the womb in an ass hat.

Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 04:24 PM

Mecca thinks a drew bledsoe type would be a savior of the franchise. Brilliant.

Then he says the chiefs didn't win shit in the 90's. Guess what mecca. The chiefs and patriots won the same amount of playoff games in the 90's. Three. And the patriots got to the sb because their defense went crazy on pittsburgh and jacksonville and the jags upset denver. Bledsoes career playoff rating is about 59. So bledsoe. By your own standards didn't win shit either. But go ahead show us your "knowledge"
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orange 02-21-2009 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5513436)

Oh and by the way Mark Sanchez brother is a Yale educated lawyer he is by no means dumb.

Careful there....

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5188656)
I didn't like Bush because he never sounded intelligent at all...was his campaign good, yes it was very smartly run.

I never thought Bush was thoughtful about anything he's always a my way or the highway type of person...


Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5513523)
ROFL

He came out of the womb in an ass hat.

Yeah that's a great football response. How about this

Go **** your mother again.
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Sweet Daddy Hate 02-21-2009 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5513561)
Yeah that's a great football response. How about this

Go **** your mother again.
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Congratulations; you're my new bitch. :fire:

Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5513597)
Congratulations; you're my new bitch. :fire:

Oh dear I'm real intimidated by the likes of you.

Go ask your mom for her car keys and go hang around an arcade or something.

Do you have any ideas that concern football by any chance?
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Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 04:54 PM

Ok football fans. The loudmouths appeared to have run off. Anyone want to discuss the draft in a civilized manner?
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soundmind 02-21-2009 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5513647)
Ok football fans. The loudmouths appeared to have run off. Anyone want to discuss the draft in a civilized manner?
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Is that possible on this site? I certainly haven't found that to be the case. :banghead:

SAUTO 02-21-2009 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5513068)
you haven't watched him play, or even bothered to research his accomplishments or record, or even bothered to learn about the team he played on and literally had to carry...that makes you a) lazy and b) stupid


the people quoted in this article are exactly like you - lazy and stupid...they don't bother to provide any context or analysis for what are hilariously absurd statements...

i've been over his history, stats, and team, in detail...i don't care what lazy, stupid people like you think...i care when lazy, stupid people like you get quoted in articles and other lazy, stupid noobs show up screaming, "AH-HA!...he sucks, lets draft Freeman omg boner!!" or some such lazy, stupid shit that lazy, stupid noobs are prone to say....

if you have a claim to make, then make it and defend it with actual a) facts and b) context.....otherwise lazy, stupid people like you, and those noobs, and the cowards in this article are wasting all of our time and making this place ****ing dumber by the ****ing second....

is that clear enough for you, you lazy stupid piece of shit?

man, i promised i wouldn't even discuss until the draft...but this place is now infested with zombie ****ing reeruns....

ROFL can, i like sanchez, rated by most as the #2 qb in the draft, stafford i have watched freeman too, freeman DOES NOT impress me, stafford's physical attributes do, his mental makeup doesnt, it's the way he carries himself, the way he acts when he gets sacked, throws an int, or the WR drops a pass, i dont like it. i could give 2 shits how that makes YOU feel

soundmind 02-21-2009 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5513672)
ROFL can, i like sanchez, rated by most as the #2 qb in the draft, stafford i have watched freeman too, freeman DOES NOT impress me, stafford's physical attributes do, his mental makeup doesnt, it's the way he carries himself, the way he acts when he gets sacked, throws an int, or the WR drops a pass, i dont like it. i could give 2 shits how that makes YOU feel

This is pretty much the exact take I have at the moment - minus the directive 'YOU'. Stafford has some serious physical weapons, but mentally I'm giving the edge to Sanchez - even with the experience question marks. Freeman wouldn't be in this discussion if he weren't 6'5"....he has the genetic makeup, but certainly not the track record to be drafted anywhere in the 1st.

Mecca 02-21-2009 05:08 PM

You can have a logical draft conversation on this forum as long as you know what you're talking about.

Just don't say anything like a RT is worth a top 3 pick.

soundmind 02-21-2009 05:09 PM

And for further discussion, just on the draft class in general:

How badass did Jason Smith (Baylor) look today? That guy outmeasured most if not all to me...I didn't know what to expect, but that dude has a future.

Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5513672)
ROFL can, i like sanchez, rated by most as the #2 qb in the draft, stafford i have watched freeman too, freeman DOES NOT impress me, stafford's physical attributes do, his mental makeup doesnt, it's the way he carries himself, the way he acts when he gets sacked, throws an int, or the WR drops a pass, i dont like it. i could give 2 shits how that makes YOU feel

The times I watched stafford the thought "hey this guy will be a great pro" did not come to me one bit like it did with Palmer or Manning or Elway. I don't see why people are so convinced he's a can't miss franchise qb.
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SAUTO 02-21-2009 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5513693)
You can have a logical draft conversation on this forum as long as you know what you're talking about.

Just don't say anything like a RT is worth a top 3 pick.

i have never said anything like that mecca, it's just some people act as though we are going to influence what actually happens and what the consensus thinks matters

Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5513693)
You can have a logical draft conversation on this forum as long as you know what you're talking about.

Just don't say anything like a RT is worth a top 3 pick.

Exactly who put you in charge? Let people have their say and their opinion which is every bit as valid as yours
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Mecca 02-21-2009 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind (Post 5513700)
And for further discussion, just on the draft class in general:

How badass did Jason Smith (Baylor) look today? That guy outmeasured most if not all to me...I didn't know what to expect, but that dude has a future.

I'd have some serious reservation about him being taken as high as he's being projected, he's athletic sure he has size yes. I think he has potential but at the same time..he doesn't have much experience at his position he was recruited and played a full college season as a TE.

He's from the spread and never lined up in the 3 point stance all of his run blocking is space and zone plays...

Monroe is more complete but Smith is more athletic...I just would hope whoever takes Smith will realize he may be a very good pass blocker from day 1 but his run blocking needs a ton of work.

Mecca 02-21-2009 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5513709)
Exactly who put you in charge? Let people have their say and their opinion which is every bit as valid as yours
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reeruned opinions are not valid.

soundmind 02-21-2009 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5513713)
I'd have some serious reservation about him being taken as high as he's being projected, he's athletic sure he has size yes. I think he has potential but at the same time..he doesn't have much experience at his position he was recruited and played a full college season as a TE.

He's from the spread and never lined up in the 3 point stance all of his run blocking is space and zone plays...

Monroe is more complete but Smith is more athletic...I just would hope whoever takes Smith will realize he may be a very good pass blocker from day 1 but his run blocking needs a ton of work.

Agreed, he is a project - and will likely be drafted a little early, but I was impressed...his size kind of killed his speed too, but he ran well, that'd be a concern for me, but I want speed at every position, so...and I know the Combine doesn't "tell all", but it would be a concern for me that Chris Wells out-benched Monroe. I'd want my OT to put it up 30x.

Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5513717)
reeruned opinions are not valid.

Then you'll be leaving then?

See, a decent discussion was just getting going and then you had to jump in with your insults of people who disagree with you

Perhaps you have an al-anon meeting to go torment or something. People here would like to discuss football without your trying to overcompensate for your own failures attempts at bullying people out of here.
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Mecca 02-21-2009 05:23 PM

...Coming from the person that just says "Scott Pioli yadda yadda" that means alot...

Anyone and I mean anyone that thinks you take a right tackle with a top 5 pick is a moron there is no way around that.

SAUTO 02-21-2009 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind (Post 5513720)
Agreed, he is a project - and will likely be drafted a little early, but I was impressed...his size kind of killed his speed too, but he ran well, that'd be a concern for me, but I want speed at every position, so...and I know the Combine doesn't "tell all", but it would be a concern for me that Chris Wells out-benched Monroe. I'd want my OT to put it up 30x.

hey for us i thought wood at center looked pretty good
(atheletically speaking) a little weird with that curly hair rumprangerish

Mecca 02-21-2009 05:26 PM

Here's what I will say...the number of reps you can do has more to do with endurance than it does the actual strength of a player. Training to rep 225 is something I doubt any lineman does during a season those guys are going for max numbers more than they are the high number of reps. For those guys I'd be more concerned with their maxes are than their reps are, you rep for tone you max for strength.

Also guys with really long arms have a harder time repping.

soundmind 02-21-2009 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5513743)
hey for us i thought wood at center looked pretty good
(atheletically speaking) a little weird with that curly hair rumprangerish

He definitely got in the conversation with Unger and Mack I think for "top of the class" if the combine is telling (and I believe it is). Surprisingly athletic for his size at center....and I like that his experience comes from Louisville if we're looking for a more hi-octane O...he may be very well suited to fit Haley & Co.

And I've been praying we get one of these Centers...so I'm very happy to see a third guy come up strong.

FAX 02-21-2009 05:32 PM

So ... how is zombie-nuts doing today? Making lots of new friends?

FAX

DeezNutz 02-21-2009 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5513769)
So ... how is zombie-nuts doing today? Making lots of new friends?

FAX

We're not related.

SAUTO 02-21-2009 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind (Post 5513759)
He definitely got in the conversation with Unger and Mack I think for "top of the class" if the combine is telling (and I believe it is). Surprisingly athletic for his size at center....and I like that his experience comes from Louisville if we're looking for a more hi-octane O...he may be very well suited to fit Haley & Co.

And I've been praying we get one of these Centers...so I'm very happy to see a third guy come up strong.

yeah maybe one will slide to the 3rd fingers crossed

Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5513742)
...Coming from the person that just says "Scott Pioli yadda yadda" that means alot...

Anyone and I mean anyone that thinks you take a right tackle with a top 5 pick is a moron there is no way around that.

First off. I don't say that

Second, I haven't made my this is my definate selection.

Thirdly, again who the **** are you to police whose opinions are to be heard.

Fourth, anyone who says drew bledsoe is the model of what you would hope a franchise qb to be shows that although you talk like you know shit, you really don't know shit

You never did answer my earlier response to you about the 90's chiefs verses the supposed great accomplishments of drew bledsoe. You run to google and spout stats but bledsoe got to that.sb on the backs of his defense. And you can't say the chiefs didn't win shit in the 90's but you want a bledsoe type who won the same amount of playoff games as the 90's chiefs and tell me you have any clue what you are talking about

You're just a blowhard. Or at least you just act like one. If you know so much why don't you be secure enough to allow others to partipate?
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Mecca 02-21-2009 05:35 PM

Drew Bledsoe must have sodomized this guy that's all I can think.

soundmind 02-21-2009 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5513750)
Here's what I will say...the number of reps you can do has more to do with endurance than it does the actual strength of a player. Training to rep 225 is something I doubt any lineman does during a season those guys are going for max numbers more than they are the high number of reps. For those guys I'd be more concerned with their maxes are than their reps are, you rep for tone you max for strength.

Also guys with really long arms have a harder time repping.

I'm not a meathead, or a pro athlete, but I'm no stranger to the weightroom either...and I agree. Heavy lifting and explosives are how you get strong, but I think the stamina may tell more. An OT is physically involved in every offensive play...

But that's just in my eye, the maximum physical ability is important, but the endurance of that strength is what I'd like to know. I'm not that into watching 2 quarters of Chiefs football, only to see the second half wain. I'd much prefer a team that ran you over in the 4th as hard as they did in the 2nd - dominate the fourth!

DeezNutz 02-21-2009 05:39 PM

No one said Bledsoe is "the model of what you hope a franchise QB to be."

That would be unbelievably stupid. The model is Elway. Perhaps P. Manning. Two of the greatest QB's ever to play.

So let's try to be intellectually honest about what has been said.

Regarding Bledsoe, the guy was very good early in his career. Forget Pro Bowls. Not a lot of shitty players are two time All Pros.

He might not be "the model" or even close to "the model," but he sure as hell wasn't shit, either.

FAX 02-21-2009 05:39 PM

ROFL

Oh, I see. Zombie vs. Mr. Mecca in a fight to the finish!!!

I haven't read up on this thread (to be honest, I'm kinda scared to). Has our brain-dead buddy with the rotting flesh actually said who he thinks would be a good choice with our #3 pick, yet? Or, is it just "You suck. Trust Pioli, he knows more than you ever will."?

FAX

Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5513785)
No one said Bledsoe is "the model of what you hope a franchise QB to be."

That would be unbelievably stupid. The model is Elway. Perhaps P. Manning. Two of the greatest QB's ever to play.

So let's try to be intellectually honest about what has been said.

Regarding Bledsoe, the guy was very good early in his career. Forget Pro Bowls. Not a lot of shitty players are two time All Pros.

He might not be "the model" or even close to "the model," but he sure as hell wasn't shit, either.

Well, then you are calling mecca unelievably stupid because he said that. When describing the sainted sanchez the terms big and strong armed were used. I compared that to what they used to say about bledsoe and mecca said hed be happy to be able to get a qb as good as bledsoe with the third pick since the words franchise qb are being used to describe stafford and sanchez and the need out of any qb the chiefs may draft to be a "franchise qb" then mecca feels bledsoe fits this model

The draft is "his thing". Then he's got the nerve to call others morons.
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Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5513786)
ROFL

Oh, I see. Zombie vs. Mr. Mecca in a fight to the finish!!!

I haven't read up on this thread (to be honest, I'm kinda scared to). Has our brain-dead buddy with the rotting flesh actually said who he thinks would be a good choice with our #3 pick, yet? Or, is it just "You suck. Trust Pioli, he knows more than you ever will."?

FAX

Can mecca answer for himself without his boyfriends?
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Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5513777)
Drew Bledsoe must have sodomized this guy that's all I can think.

Another words you got caught saying something stupid and this is your only response. I'm still waiting to hear more why sanchez should be the qb because his brother went to Yale. That was. Classic
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DeezNutz 02-21-2009 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5513807)
Well, then you are calling mecca unelievably stupid because he said that. When describing the sainted sanchez the terms big and strong armed were used. I compared that to what they used to say about bledsoe and mecca said hed be happy to be able to get a qb as good as bledsoe with the third pick since the words franchise qb are being used to describe stafford and sanchez and the need out of any qb the chiefs may draft to be a "franchise qb" then mecca feels bledsoe fits this model

The draft is "his thing". Then he's got the nerve to call others morons.
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Being happy with a selection is hardly the same as saying a player "is the model of what you hope a franchise QB to be."

I shouldn't have to state this.

Stafford, for example, could be Elway II. There is a better chance, however, that he won't, and if he develops into a multiple Pro Bowler and a two time All Pro, I'd say this more than justifies the pick.

And most fans should be "happy" about the selection.

Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 06:11 PM

If you draft a guy thinking he's a franchise player, an elway, a manning, an Aikman, and he turns into a Bledsoe, believe me, a fanbase is not happy with that.

If PIoli thinks stafford is an elway he will and should pick him. If he feels he's getting Bledsoe I doubt he will.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 02-21-2009 06:13 PM

I ****ing love dipshit true fans.

They offer dumbass takes like "We should take Crabtree or Curry at 3" or "We should trade down and take Sanchez at 10" when the only teams willing to trade up with us would be the very teams that would take Sanchez.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-21-2009 06:14 PM

Between Just Fisting Myself and Pioli Fluffer, the amount of reerunation is growing at a geometric rate.

SAUTO 02-21-2009 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5513855)
I ****ing love dipshit true fans.

They offer dumbass takes like "We should take Crabtree or Curry at 3" or "We should trade down and take Sanchez at 10" when the only teams willing to trade up with us would be the very teams that would take Sanchez.

i always laugh when someone says that. should be obvious

ChiefsCountry 02-21-2009 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5513857)
Between Just Fisting Myself and Pioli Fluffer, the amount of reerunation is growing at a geometric rate.

I think they are reeruned Patriot trolls.

Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5513857)
Between Just Fisting Myself and Pioli Fluffer, the amount of reerunation is growing at a geometric rate.

I know. There's someone with a contrary opinion than mine. I will call them a reerun. Ooooh I showed them

Its nice to hear from you again mr jenkins. No go call your grandfather, he said you left your condom up his ass last night.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 02-21-2009 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5513863)
I know. There's someone with a contrary opinion than mine. I will call them a reerun. Ooooh I showed them

Its nice to hear from you again mr jenkins. No go call your grandfather, he said you left your condom up his ass last night.
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I see these posts from you, but all I can decipher is " I will follow the Lord my Pioli to the ends of Eternity. I shall not think for myself. He leadeth me beside still garbage disposals. He flipeth the switch, and I **** them."

SAUTO 02-21-2009 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5513867)
I see these posts from you, but all I can decipher is " I will follow the Lord my Pioli to the ends of Eternity. I shall not think for myself. He leadeth me beside still garbage disposals. He flipeth the switch, and I **** them."

how the **** do you come up with this shit?ROFL

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-21-2009 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5513871)
how the **** do you come up with this shit?ROFL

Most likely gross chemical imbalances and electrical disturbances in the brain.

SAUTO 02-21-2009 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5513877)
Most likely gross chemical imbalances and electrical disturbances in the brain.

ROFL

DeezNutz 02-21-2009 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5513877)
Most likely gross chemical imbalances and electrical disturbances in the brain.

That's what happens when one leaves condoms up asses, unfortunately.

Luckily, I've always preferred to roll slick pickle.

I'd recommend this approach.

Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5513867)
I see these posts from you, but all I can decipher is " I will follow the Lord my Pioli to the ends of Eternity. I shall not think for myself. He leadeth me beside still garbage disposals. He flipeth the switch, and I **** them."

Apparently you don't read the posts.

But if you want to act like a ****head then go right ahead.
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SAUTO 02-21-2009 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5513882)
That's what happens when one leaves condoms up asses, unfortunately.

Luckily, I've always preferred to roll slick pickle.

I'd recommend this approach
.

i agree, but slick pickle?ROFL

the Talking Can 02-21-2009 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5513672)
ROFL can, i like sanchez, rated by most as the #2 qb in the draft, stafford i have watched freeman too, freeman DOES NOT impress me, stafford's physical attributes do, his mental makeup doesnt, it's the way he carries himself, the way he acts when he gets sacked, throws an int, or the WR drops a pass, i dont like it. i could give 2 shits how that makes YOU feel

what games are you talking about?

one of the things i like best about him is the ability to bounce back, he never gets gun shy....look at the bowl game...terrible first half, almost perfect second half...that's clutch, that's mental toughness.....

he had to carry his team, he had the pressure of scoring every time, with 3 freshman starting on his OL, because their defense was so bad...christ Kentucky put up 38 on them...so he had to put up 42...no one ever put 30 on USC....

he had to force things - unlike Sanchez who had the best defense in college, which I point out not to criticize, just to compare - and when he made a mistake he came right back and kept slinging it....and yet, he had the same number of ints as Sanchez, 10....but he gets criticized for poor judgment and Sanchez doesn't....this why context matters, and no one ever wants to discuss it...

frankly listening to you i have no idea what you watched, or if you were actually paying attention...i haven't seen any evidence from you, yet, that you know anything about the team he played on or why they played the way they did....


the guy was a 3 year starter in the SEC, won 3 bowl games, and beat a dozen ranked teams in 3 years....don't tell me "pees his pants" in big games...that is ****ing reeruned, and flat out ignorant...

SAUTO 02-21-2009 06:33 PM

who did he play for again?:D come on man i dont like him, i said why its a feeling. now i see that im not the only one that feels that way we CAN disagree

the Talking Can 02-21-2009 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5513900)
who did he play for again?:D come on man i dont like him, i said why its a feeling. now i see that im not the only one that feels that way we CAN disagree

i don't give a shit about your feelings....feelings are for morons

we have facts....

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-21-2009 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5513807)
Well, then you are calling mecca unelievably stupid because he said that. When describing the sainted sanchez the terms big and strong armed were used. I compared that to what they used to say about bledsoe and mecca said hed be happy to be able to get a qb as good as bledsoe with the third pick since the words franchise qb are being used to describe stafford and sanchez and the need out of any qb the chiefs may draft to be a "franchise qb" then mecca feels bledsoe fits this model

The draft is "his thing". Then he's got the nerve to call others morons.
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Do you have an actual TAKE to broadcast here, or are you going to just keep going back and forth with your Superiors like the butt hurt hobbit-bitch that you clearly are?
I anxiously await your Football Knowledge!

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-21-2009 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5513853)
If you draft a guy thinking he's a franchise player, an elway, a manning, an Aikman, and he turns into a Bledsoe, believe me, a fanbase is not happy with that.

If PIoli thinks stafford is an elway he will and should pick him. If he feels he's getting Bledsoe I doubt he will.
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Who gives a flying **** what this 60% window-licking fanbase thinks?!

milkman 02-21-2009 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey23545 (Post 5513502)
Oh, great, we've gone from the BPA philosophy of drafting to the WBAGPANY (Won't Be Any Good Players Available Next Year) philosophy....

There are a lot of factors that have to weigh into draft decisions.

Best player and positional value are important, and when you're a team with as many holes as the Chiefs you have to have an eye on the next draft.

Ultra Peanut 02-21-2009 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5513855)
I ****ing love dipshit true fans.

They offer dumbass takes like "We should take Crabtree or Curry at 3" or "We should trade down and take Sanchez at 10" when the only teams willing to trade up with us would be the very teams that would take Sanchez.

If we just keep trading down, we can grab all of the sixth- and seventh-round picks and take the players we want while everyone else reaches!

Coach 02-21-2009 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5513742)
...Coming from the person that just says "Scott Pioli yadda yadda" that means alot...

Anyone and I mean anyone that thinks you take a right tackle with a top 5 pick is a moron there is no way around that.

Totally agree. Makes no economical sense to pick a top 5 for a RT, where you can find some solid ones out there in the FA market.

soundmind 02-21-2009 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 5514174)
Totally agree. Makes no economical sense to pick a top 5 for a RT, where you can find some solid ones out there in the FA market.

This take assumes a little that we address a couple players in FA on DEF: DL and LB specifically

:Poke: I'm assuming from statements much like this one, which I agree with, that you've settled on Albert as your LT for the long haul? Because, for the sake of debate, I can't say I'd have a problem with them taking Monroe with the #3 (play him @ LT), and moving Brandon across the pile to RT...unless that's not something he can do of course...

I realize and sympathize with the need for the QB, and to be honest, if either of these kids have "it" - take them...but presuming they don't, for the sake of debate...I have ZERO problem with a dominant LT.

Pioli Zombie 02-21-2009 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5513999)
Who gives a flying **** what this 60% window-licking fanbase thinks?!

Who gives a flying **** what YOU think?
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