Well, with that win, the Cats will have to go 10-6 + a tourney win, or 9-7 and an appearance in the finals of the tourney.

God damn you Texas. I wanted the #1 team in the country on Big Monday. Go fuck your self you dumb bearded miget..........i'm drunk sorry. damn it.

But he's damn good.

Pittsburgh is better than OU anyway.

Mizzou wins out = BIG 12 CHAMPIONS

Except they'll lose to KU easily.

And I really doubt they'll drop OU much for losing without Griffin. Maybe down to 5-6 at the worst.

Of course, since they beat Mizzou easily the first time they played.

:spock:

You never cease to amaze.

Well considering they blew a game on the road by only two points, it's only common sense that they'd do far better on the court they haven't lost on in over 2 years.

Actually, this is what you said about Abrams.

I consider this statement to be wrong.

When was the last time MU won at Allen?

I must have missed this. Show me why Abrams is the reason UT hit the skids.

Long time, I think Norm's last game there.

Abrams shoots 3's at a mediocre 40% clip. This is true.

His defense is awful. True.

His playmaking skills are awful (he averages practically no assists and is a spot-up jump shooter). Also true.

What's wrong about it?

He's not THE REASON. His poor play has been one of the reasons.

40% is NOT mediocre. For ****S SAKE.

He scored 16 straight and WON the mother****ing game. No playmaking skills....

You're not winning out.

Damnit. I really wanted OU to come into Monday after squeeking out a close and emotionally draining game against a bitter rival.

Now I think they'll be pissed with something to prove with or without B. Griffin.

the bearded midget will be d-league player....he is overrated. had good game tonight, i give him that. but when u are midget and bring nothering ot the table cept shoot 3's u will fail eventually against taller more athletic nba duders

When was the last time MU swept KU?

ROFL

yeah, OU will be a tough one.

He does shoot 40%, though. And for a guy who's primary role is to shoot 3's, that is mediocre.


Wrong, ****face. That's called hitting your shots, not being a good playmaker (which involves concepts such as passing and court vision).

Hmm...maybe 2 losses for MU then.

I assume you are talking about Abrams. And yeah, he's not making the NBA. He's not even a real prospect. He doesn't do anything but shoot 3's at a mediocre 40% clip.

I assume you are talking about Abrams. And yeah, he's not making the NBA. He's not even a real prospect. He doesn't do anything but shoot 3's at a mediocre 40% clip.

And he's also a midget.

Anybody who has watched a game knows he's not a true point. He's a 2 guard and his stats are vitually identical from last season. He's the last reason that UT hit the skids.

What's his defensive efficiency?

He was shooting 39% before today's game. It was widely acknowledged that he hadn't played well this year so far.

Good luck with that thinking. You guys will have to play your asses off to win at the Phog.

Yeah, he's seemingly become arrogant for some reason. Funny MU fans.

I think I gave you the answer to both of these the other day...

Last win in Lawrence...
Jan. 24, 1999 Kansas (#19) 63 Missouri 71 Lawrence

Last Mizzou sweep...
Jan. 31, 1994 Missouri (#20) 79 Kansas (#3) 67 Columbia
Feb. 20, 1994 Kansas (#4) 74 Missouri (#12) 81 Lawrence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_...as_vs_Missouri)

Abrams offensive stats mirror last season. So your argument, if you can call it that, is merely your opinion. He's a 2 guard thrust into the role of PG when DJ Augustine went to the NBA.

Widely acknowledged... LMAO

Monday should still be big.

Before today's game he was shooting 3% worse than last year, with pretty much every other stat identical except for having more turnovers this season. The fact that such a mediocre player is a principal part of their offense is one of the reasons Texas isn't that good.

Yes you did but the MUrons needed to be reminded.

Yep.. OU won't even move much because UConn lost to Pitt, and UNC and MSU both lost.. and because they were Griffin-less. They'll still be in the top 5, and it's still for the top spot in the conference.

Can't believe Kansas is playing for the conference lead this late in the season, much less the outright lead..... :eek:

Okay, so we've established that Abrams is the same player he was last year, except that he's now a PG, when he really is a 2. He has a few more TO's, which is a result of being moved to the point.

And you seem to have moved your argument from "Abrams sucks" to "Abrams is a mediocre player and (shouldn't be) a principal part of their offense", therefore Texas isn't good.

They keep getting better each game. Even the Morris boys are starting to "get it". Peaking at the right time.

I know this year isn't over but next year is going to be fun. Even more so if collins and aldrich both stay. KU will have a top 5 team.

I'm not optomistic, but I hope they do.

Balbay is the PG for the Longhorns, which I'm sure you must have noticed if you were watching this game.

When I said he sucked, I qualified it by saying "relatively." To me, he's a mediocre player that gets way too much press for his production, and a guy that will never even have a shot of making the NBA. The fact that he is their primary scorer hurts the Longhorns.

Top 5 or both stay?

Definitely. The schedule was perfect, allowing them to get on a roll before going to Baylor, Mizzou, and KSU; and then OU, Mizzou, and Texas.

I don't really know what the chances are of Collins and/or Aldrich sticking around, but we can dream... :drool:

They both would benefit from staying. Aldrich would go from middle to late first to Lottery pick and Collins is a little short and could build his draft stock by dominated in college.

It's definitely Pitt and UConn 1 and 2 now, and then a various number of teams from 3-6 (UNC, OU, MSU, Memphis?).

Mizzou?

I've seen him projected as a top 10 pick in 2010, but I don't think he would be much lower than that if he were to leave this year.

Collins is too short to play NBA basketball, he's way better off staying all 4 years.

Nah, Lousville, Duke, Wake, and Marquette come before them, IMO.

I want them ranked really high when they come to lawrence.

They'll be top 10.

Perfect.

They might lose Wednesday though...which would be nice.

I want them to lose to KU twice this season. Of course one of us would have to upset OU in the tourney for that to happen.

Balbay averages and entire one assist more per game than Abrams, while averaging 20 less minutes over the season. His minutes are up an down in conference play.

Balbay has good games (OSU) and bad games (MU 2 minutes). When Balbay plays well they play better as a team. Again, it's my observation that Abrams is the same player he was last season. W/O Augustine, they just look ordinary at times.

As the 2&3 seeds, they'll have the chance to play prior having the chance to play OU.

I was having a hard time thinking Memphis would move up to 3, and with MSU losing, I figured OU might stick around 4 or 5. I've been down on the Big East in the past, but I agree that it should be Pitt and UConn right now.

Aldrich would obviously continue to improve at Kansas, but he can do that in the NBA, too, so I guess I could see him leaving. Collins has reached his potential at Kansas, but I don't pay enough attention to the NBA to know where he would go in the draft. So, hopefully Aldrich will want to be the man at Kansas for at least another year and the NBA will say no to Collins. :)

The NBA doesn't need 5'10 PG/SG types like Collins. But I think they could use Aldrich.

KU will be getting the one seed. :D

Self is doing too good of a job of recruiting blue chip talent. We didn't have that problem with Roy. Only Gooden left early that I remember. Dammit Bill :cuss:

Gottlieb said he was more impressed with OU because of what they did Griffen-less than Pitt or UConn, because "could you see Pitt winning that game without Blair?"... and it sounds like he's getting off the UNC bandwagon.

Interesting comments, giving the Big 12 some props over the best of the Big East and ACC. :hmmm:

No I couldn't see Pitt winning at UCONN w/o Blair. Jst like OU didn't win tonight.

I'm not sure what Gottlieb was trying to say. It was one game. And if Griffin were lost for any long duration, they'd struggle and probably collapse.

Like when Cinci collapsed when Kenyon Martin blew his knee out in the C-USA tourney 10 years ago.

He's too much of a Big 12 homer...though Willie Warren is pretty damn good.

Both stay...

Jesus. That was 10 years ago? **** I'm getting old.

Yeah, and it's strange since Texas isn't even ranked (I was really surprised that almost everyone picked Texas in the pregame). It seemed like he was trying to get around to saying OU was tougher than Pitt, but come on... UConn/Pitt was all about toughness.

I was hoping to get a good feel for OU, or as much as you can in one game, but I'm just as clueless about KU/OU than I was before the game.

8, but close enough.

And to think, 4 months ago he proclaimed basketball was a sport nobody cared about, besides KU and UNC fans of course.

MU basketball. A tradition since February '09.

Dude.

**** you. Seriously.

I've always cared about Mizzou Basketball.

I'm just parroting what the MU guys were saying about KU football last year.

It's not true on either account, but hey, why let that stand in the way?

I know you have, but eazyb made that very statement.