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DaKCMan AP 02-22-2009 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5515500)
what did guys like DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal run last year?

DeSean ran a 4.35 and Royal a 4.39

DaKCMan AP 02-22-2009 12:33 PM

Curtis Painter looks like a complete tard.

Pablo 02-22-2009 12:34 PM

Sanchez with a couple bad throws..

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23 (Post 5515505)
Think he'll last till the top of the 2nd?

Probably not. He's established himself as a legit 4-3 end. I could definitely see him going 20-25.

And Sanchez just showed why top QBs shouldn't throw to these scrub WRs.

doomy3 02-22-2009 12:35 PM

Those throws on the in route weren't good for Sanchez

DaKCMan AP 02-22-2009 12:35 PM

Robiskie with a nice grab.

The Franchise 02-22-2009 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515522)
Probably not. He's established himself as a legit 4-3 end. I could definitely see him going 20-25.

And Sanchez just showed why top QBs shouldn't throw to these scrub WRs.

Damn....it'd be nice to grab Sanchez and English on the 1st day.

doomy3 02-22-2009 12:36 PM

I think Turner looks pretty damn good, especially for as much as I heard how bad the USC receivers were on here

DaKCMan AP 02-22-2009 12:36 PM

Jaison Williams sucks.

doomy3 02-22-2009 12:37 PM

God, that Jason Williams guy is awful

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88 (Post 5515520)
Sanchez with a couple bad throws..

Sanchez has a slower release that I expected and he missed two consecutive throws badly. Pat White has looked better.

doomy3 02-22-2009 12:39 PM

Sanchez underthrew both his deep balls...

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 12:39 PM

Neither one of those 9 routes were in stride from Sanchez, but they were good misses.

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 5515525)
Robiskie with a nice grab.

That guy looks solid. I love the way he is catching the ball, plucking it ouf the air and not letting it get inside.

Pablo 02-22-2009 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5515539)
Sanchez has a slower release that I expected and he missed two consecutive throws badly. Pat White has looked better.

His WR's didn't do him any favors, and I don't think his release is slow at all.

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5515541)
Sanchez underthrew both his deep balls...

I wonder if he will regret throwing.

milkman 02-22-2009 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515543)
Neither one of those 9 routes were in stride from Sanchez, but they were good misses.

On all of his throws, it appears he was trying to be perfect, the result being a longer release than we're used to seeing, and bieng slightly off the mark.

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88 (Post 5515547)
His WR's didn't do him any favors, and I don't think his release is slow at all.

After I posted that, the announcer just commented on it as well. You want a short compact delivery. Not a long slow one.

It will be interesting to see how the rest of today goes for him.

ohiobronco2 02-22-2009 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5515544)
That guy looks solid. I love the way he is catching the ball, plucking it ouf the air and not letting it get inside.

He's a solid FB player. He will do just about everything right. Of course, he's the son of a WR coach. People forget how well he played last year with a QB who could actually throw the ball. The only know on him has been his speed, but he can play at the next level.

milkman 02-22-2009 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88 (Post 5515547)
His WR's didn't do him any favors, and I don't think his release is slow at all.

It wasn't terribly slow, but he's usually much quicker.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 12:43 PM

Jesus Christ, Mark.

:shake:

doomy3 02-22-2009 12:44 PM

Sanchez is basically missing every throw. At least those 2 outs were in front misses

kstater 02-22-2009 12:44 PM

How'd Freeman do on his throws earlier?

doomy3 02-22-2009 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 5515563)
How'd Freeman do on his throws earlier?

I missed it, but the announcers just commented that his throws were good, but his footwork was iffy

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5515554)
On all of his throws, it appears he was trying to be perfect, the result being a longer release than we're used to seeing, and bieng slightly off the mark.

I am sure the other QB's aren't worried about being perfect.

milkman 02-22-2009 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5515561)
Sanchez is basically missing every throw. At least those 2 outs were in front misses

I missed the first throw, but on the second, the receiver looked like he came out of the break poorly.

doomy3 02-22-2009 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5515570)
I missed the first throw, but on the second, the receiver looked like he came out of the break poorly.

That throw was WAY too high though anyway

doomy3 02-22-2009 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5515570)
I missed the first throw, but on the second, the receiver looked like he came out of the break poorly.

The first throw was way low and in front. The receiver made a nice diving catch

milkman 02-22-2009 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5515568)
I am sure the other QB's aren't worried about being perfect.

I'd say there's less pressure for them since most of them aren't going to be first round picks.

Sanchez comes in this combine with much higher expectations to meet.

doomy3 02-22-2009 12:48 PM

McGee has looked pretty good on his throws

CrazyHorse 02-22-2009 12:49 PM

If the combine means anything to you, Sanchez has been very unremarkable.

If combine results effect your draft status, then Sanchez' performance would cost him draft positions.

kstater 02-22-2009 12:50 PM

Here's the money route.

doomy3 02-22-2009 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 5515583)
Here's the money route.

yep, looking forward to this

CanadaKC 02-22-2009 12:51 PM

you could see Sanchez fuming about his performance after the short passes....not good at all.

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5515572)
That throw was WAY too high though anyway

It was outside as well from the angle I saw.

gta0012 02-22-2009 12:52 PM

I'm liking the WR from Rutgers Underwood.

milkman 02-22-2009 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse (Post 5515581)
If the combine means anything to you, Sanchez has been very unremarkable.

If combine results effect your draft status, then Sanchez' performance would cost him draft positions.

People are going to come away with questions, but he can help himself when he works out at USC's pro day.

Coogs 02-22-2009 12:54 PM

So far I would say Stafford is the clear winner by opting not to throw.

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5515576)
I'd say there's less pressure for them since most of them aren't going to be first round picks.

Sanchez comes in this combine with much higher expectations to meet.

This is the BIGGEST day in all these guys lives. But, even if you were correct... do you want a guy that will tighten up when the pressure comes? Seriously. You think the expectations are high now, picture opening day at Arrowhead after being the #3 pick.

I am really hoping to be impressed by this guy. So far, not so much in any regard.

Pablo 02-22-2009 12:55 PM

Holy shit Sanchez. He must really wanna play for the 49ers or Jets.

CanadaKC 02-22-2009 12:55 PM

sanchez blows

doomy3 02-22-2009 12:56 PM

TERRIBLE post corner throws by Sanchez

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 12:56 PM

Sanchez's first throw on the pc was a bit under, but the second was perfect. He's just had to throw to Jaison Williams. God, that guy ****ing sucks.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5515602)
TERRIBLE post corner throws by Sanchez

The second was absolutely perfect. The first was underthrown.

The hyperbole is ridiculous.

CanadaKC 02-22-2009 12:57 PM

a bit under? the first throw was waaaay out of bounds!!!

rockymtnchief 02-22-2009 12:57 PM

Derrick Williams head is two sizes too big for his body. lol

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadaKC (Post 5515607)
a bit under? the first throw was waaaay out of bounds!!!

The throw to Derrick Williams. He had to slow down and catch it 3 yards in bounds.

Pablo 02-22-2009 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515609)
The throw to Derrick Williams. He had to slow down and catch it 3 yards in bounds.

Sanchez just threw again..I think you're talking about like 10 minutes ago.

milkman 02-22-2009 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5515594)
This is the BIGGEST day in all these guys lives. But, even if you were correct... do you want a guy that will tighten up when the pressure comes? Seriously. You think the expectations are high now, picture opening day at Arrowhead after being the #3 pick.

I am really hoping to be impressed by this guy. So far, not so much in any regard.

He clearly hasn't helped himself, but I think this is an entirely different kind of pressure than what he's used to facing in game situations.

There no doubt was a lot of pressure for him to play well in the Rose Bowl after a good season, and he came out and had one of the better performances you'll ever see.

I'll take what he does in games over a workout.

Derrick Williams hasn't helped himself either, but the kid in game s has performed, so I'll take that kid in the draft in the right spot also.

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5515590)
People are going to come away with questions, but he can help himself when he works out at USC's pro day.

It will be funny if this kid goes into free fall. Just gotta wonder if Pete Carroll might actually know something.

aturnis 02-22-2009 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5515590)
People are going to come away with questions, but he can help himself when he works out at USC's pro day.

He's also throwing to guys he does not know. So his pro day should be a lot better.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88 (Post 5515611)
Sanchez just threw again..I think you're talking about like 10 minutes ago.

No, I'm not. He had two throws.

#1 was to Derrick Williams. Underthrow
#2 was to Jaison Williams. Perfect throw, bad route and the WR fell down.

Shag 02-22-2009 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515617)
No, I'm not. He had two throws.

#1 was to Derrick Williams. Underthrow
#2 was to Jaison Williams. Perfect throw, bad route and the WR fell down.

I just flipped on the coverage, but that's not what I saw. No idea who he was throwing to, but the first pass was about 5 yards out of bounds, and the second was underthrown...

milkman 02-22-2009 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5515613)
It will be funny if this kid goes into free fall. Just gotta wonder if Pete Carroll might actually know something.

Yes. Pete Carroll knows something.

He knows he has a lot better chance of competing for a NC with Mark Sanchez than with Mitch Mustain.

doomy3 02-22-2009 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515606)
The second was absolutely perfect. The first was underthrown.

The hyperbole is ridiculous.

What are you talking about? His first throw was 7 yards out of bounds and his second was definitely underthrown. That's an interception.

The Franchise 02-22-2009 01:03 PM

This shouldn't matter to Pioli since Sanchez has done two things.

1. He performs in games.
2. He chose to come out and perform at the combine.

doomy3 02-22-2009 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515617)
No, I'm not. He had two throws.

#1 was to Derrick Williams. Underthrow
#2 was to Jaison Williams. Perfect throw, bad route and the WR fell down.

you must be watching a different combine than the rest of us.

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5515612)
He clearly hasn't helped himself, but I think this is an entirely different kind of pressure than what he's used to facing in game situations.

There no doubt was a lot of pressure for him to play well in the Rose Bowl after a good season, and he came out and had one of the better performances you'll ever see.

I'll take what he does in games over a workout.

Derrick Williams hasn't helped himself either, but the kid in game s has performed, so I'll take that kid in the draft in the right spot also.


I just don't think he is ready. I think he is immature. He didn't listen to his coach or his parents about going back to school. I wonder how well he will take coaching.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Shag (Post 5515620)
I just flipped on the coverage, but that's not what I saw. No idea who he was throwing to, but the first pass was about 5 yards out of bounds, and the second was underthrown...

The pass right before Sanchez threw was thrown by Mike Reilly and was thrown 5 yards OOB.

doomy3 02-22-2009 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515629)
The pass right before Sanchez threw was thrown by Mike Reilly and was thrown 5 yards OOB.

you're not right about this, Hamas.

eazyb81 02-22-2009 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23 (Post 5515625)
This shouldn't matter to Pioli since Sanchez has done two things.

1. He performs in games.
2. He chose to come out and perform at the combine.

Yeah, I think the excitement over passing drills is misguided.

How he throws in game situations >>>>>>>>> how he throws in an awkward situation where there's no rush and he's in shorts

It's just not that important.

Shag 02-22-2009 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515629)
The pass right before Sanchez threw was thrown by Mike Reilly and was thrown 5 yards OOB.

I just rewound my DVR, and Sanchez's first throw was to #43, and was a good 5 yards OOB. The second was to #44, and was underthrown.

The next QB, #19 (lefty) threw a good pass on the first, and the receiver (#45) fell down.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5515636)
Yeah, I think the excitement over passing drills is misguided.

How he throws in game situations >>>>>>>>> how he throws in an awkward situation where there's no rush and he's in shorts

You do realize that you are talking to an audience who wants him to fail and will take a throw that he makes to any scrub and think that is more important than the entire Rose Bowl.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Shag (Post 5515640)
I just rewound my DVR, and Sanchez's first throw was to #43, and was a good 5 yards OOB. The second was to #44, and was underthrown.

The next QB, #19 (lefty) threw a good pass on the first, and the receiver (#45) fell down.

Ok then.

He's a bust.

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5515622)
Yes. Pete Carroll knows something.

He knows he has a lot better chance of competing for a NC with Mark Sanchez than with Mitch Mustain.

Oddly, he put the full court press on Mitch Mustain because he was so 'confident' in Sanchez's ability last year.

The thing I heard coming into the combine was that Sanchez would help his stock because physical talent was beyond question.

It is amazing how good a QB can look with a terrific coaching staff and great talent.

doomy3 02-22-2009 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515643)
You do realize that you are talking to an audience who wants him to fail and will take a throw that he makes to any scrub and think that is more important than the entire Rose Bowl.

Actually, I want to draft a QB that doesn't have a million question marks, and that can make basic throws

Shag 02-22-2009 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515646)
Ok then.

He's a bust.

Ooookay. Just trying to set the record straight. Lighten up, Francis...

KChiefs1 02-22-2009 01:10 PM

Sanchez didn't impress me today at all...he's no Matt Ryan that's for damn sure.

eazyb81 02-22-2009 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5515656)
Actually, I want to draft a QB that doesn't have a million question marks, and that can make basic throws

Do you want a QB that excels in game situations or practice?

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515643)
You do realize that you are talking to an audience who wants him to fail and will take a throw that he makes to any scrub and think that is more important than the entire Rose Bowl.

Actually, you have a bunch of guys that are trying to justify Sanchez as the #3 pick.

There is NO ONE that would say that he did a good job in those drills. I think he needed to do better.

He certainly isn't doing much to win over his critics.

doomy3 02-22-2009 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5515661)
Do you want a QB that excels in game situations or practice?

Obviously game situations. It's just too bad that we only have 16 of those, many against poor talent, to judge him on. It would have been nice to see him stand out in these drills.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Shag (Post 5515657)
Ooookay. Just trying to set the record straight. Lighten up, Francis...

I'm not the ones saying that he's going to free fall or that he sucks because he was missing throws in shorts to guys he's never played with.

It was a poor performance, undoubtedly, but if anyone thinks that it will matter one bit to any scout, they are absolutely delusional.

Those drills are primarily designed for the WRs. That's why they call it a "route tree".

Pablo 02-22-2009 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515646)
Ok then.

He's a bust.

Nobody said that.

I'm objectively commenting on the throws he makes, and I wish he'd make better throws because I'd like a franchise QB.

Relax.

SenselessChiefsFan 02-22-2009 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5515661)
Do you want a QB that excels in game situations or practice?

All I hear about his how 'talented' the kid is. He didn't show that today. Against air, and in shorts, the 'pressure' was too much for him. He missed throws high and low and looked tight.

Oh, and I didn't see this 'strong arm' that everyone talks about. He came in with some question as to his arm strength.... I think those questions still remain.

eazyb81 02-22-2009 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5515671)
Obviously game situations. It's just too bad that we only have 16 of those, many against poor talent, to judge him on. It would have been nice to see him stand out in these drills.

If 16 games don't provide a large enough sample size for you to judge him on, why are you getting worked up over a few passes in a non-game situation today? Don't you think that is irrational?

milkman 02-22-2009 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5515628)
I just don't think he is ready. I think he is immature. He didn't listen to his coach or his parents about going back to school. I wonder how well he will take coaching.

I'm not going to argue that he didn't hurt his draft stock with his combine showing.
He may very well have, and may go into a free fall in the draft, unles he relly impresses at his pro day.

However, having watched all his games, I saw a mature kid with outstanding pocket presense.

He looked like a natural leader.

If you think he lacks maturity, then you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5515666)
Actually, you have a bunch of guys that are trying to justify Sanchez as the #3 pick.

There is NO ONE that would say that he did a good job in those drills. I think he needed to do better.

He certainly isn't doing much to win over his critics.

Would you draft Pat White to be your franchise QB? Because he just had a great vertical, the fastest 40 of any QB, and did a better job throwing than anyone.

Combine for WRs and RB=paramount

The only part of the combine that matters for QBs are interviews and the Wonderlic.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-22-2009 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5515679)
Oh, and I didn't see this 'strong arm' that everyone talks about. He came in with some question as to his arm strength.... I think those questions still remain.

Show me a scouting report that questions his arm strength.

Shag 02-22-2009 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515673)
I'm not the ones saying that he's going to free fall or that he sucks because he was missing throws in shorts to guys he's never played with.

It was a poor performance, undoubtedly, but if anyone thinks that it will matter one bit to any scout, they are absolutely delusional.

Those drills are primarily designed for the WRs. That's why they call it a "route tree".

I'm not the one saying that, either...

Pablo 02-22-2009 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5515684)

The only part of the combine that matters for QBs are interviews and the Wonderlic.

Flacco managed to elevate his status with great throwing sessions last year though.

It still is important.


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