No, but I think you're misrepresenting some of the posters in this perceived crowd.

It's not QB or bust. It's just a realization that the overall top-tier talent in this draft is very, very weak, so you have to start to take away the prospects that just don't fit at all at that spot in the draft.

Couple this with the view of next year's class, which is important to consider when your franchise is as talent deprived as KC's is, and that's why you get the vocal supporters of the top two QB's.

It's not QB or bust. It's the conclusion of a more nuanced analysis.

Was Palmer a decade ago?

Seriously, you're making your "side" of this argument look every bit as idiotic as the Sanchez ballwashing committee.

Eli Manning sat for half a season before the Giants put him out there.

Jay Cutler sat for a year.

Rothlesbuger was planned to sit until the starter got hurt.

Your right it isnt... You need to start building a foundation and experience. Just like the people who want Cassell, They didnt even know he exsisted until last year when he put up good stats with an ALL STAR supporting cast...

Now people would be willing to allow him to lead their franchise, but not a rookie who never played in the NFL...

ITs just fear of the unknown... Fear of trying....

There is a reason that teams put a premium on QB's. It is clearly the most important position on the field. It is also the one that requires the holder of the position to be the most mature, the best leader, and the most able to withstand criticism.

The same dumbshit fans that think a QB or bust is the way to go in this draft, will lay all the blame at his feet or give him all the credit.

The same fans who blame Tyler Thigpen for every loss, are the same ones that will view him as a savior.

If he wasn't the 'savior' then why are so many people so vehemently defending the guy?

Gotta run fellas, it's been real.

I think you know better.

I don't want Casell. Just for the record.

I don't want Sachez either. I wish there was a franchise QB to draft at #3, just don't see one.

No. I honestly don't believe Sanchez is. I have questions about him, and even though no one wants to look at history, there has never been a QB with his experience amount to anything in the NFL. He may be great, but there is a much higher percentage that he busts.

If Pioli/Haley thinks otherwise, then I will be the biggest Sanchez supporter, and hope that I am wrong.

Then you go back to more reeruned stuff that NO ONE has said, but just keep repeating it if it somehow makes you feel better, or if you think it's funny or something.

Big Ben was also not a top five pick, nor a top 10 pick.

I'm talking about the general impression I get from reading other sites as well as this one, and some of the calls I've heard to ESPN Radio from Chiefs fans.

There are a couple of the Sanchezians here that have said they'd be pissed, but for the most, we think he's the best value, but we'll understand give benefit of the doubt if Pioli sees something he doesn't like.

Um, I am pretty sure that Palmer sat behind Kitna to learn the ropes.

I am pretty sure that Eli sat behind Warner to learn the ropes.

I am pretty sure that Rodgers sat behind Favre to learn the ropes.

I am pretty sure that Cutler sat behind Plummer to learn the ropes.

I am pretty sure that Roethlisberger sat behind Maddox to learn the ropes.

Those are just examples off of the top of my head. So, there maybe is a "plan" for guys to ride the bench "these days."

Cassel learned under the best coaching staff and quarterback in the league for 4 years before getting his first start. He then proved that he could win in the NFL, with that Patriots team and for one 11-5 season. The questions about Cassel are not the same as the questions about Stafford and/or Sanchez. using him is a terrible comparison for Sanchez and Stafford.

I'm sorry, most of a year.

How many games did he play in his rookie year?

4?

The expectations between picks 10 and 11 drop considerably.

Seriously, are you wanting to be called names? Is this your overall objective?

yeah, you'd think that would be pretty easy to understand.

Guys like Joey Harrington may be a better example.

May we at least have SensibleChiefsfan's thread making capabilities taken away?

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from Don Banks today....

Southern Cal's Sanchez did nothing to make anyone believe he's top 10 material at this point. He struggled quite a bit on passes he threw outside the numbers, near the sidelines, and only looked great on slant patterns. I expect any potential chatter about Sanchez being a real option for the Lions at No. 1 to all but evaporate unless he has a boffo pro day workout next month.

And what were the expectations coming out of Denver when Cutler was drafted?

I know what the buzz was from a national perspective, but were the reactions of the primary fanbase consistent with this? Over the top? Was he the savior?

"Finally the guy who can fill Elway's shoes!"

Yes, expectations were high. There was debate from the very beginning about whether he should start immediately.

So they were generally ****ing crazy, huh? Filling the shoes of arguably the greatest player of all time? Nice.

It didn't help that the Snake was Grbacian in the testicle department.

I thought expectations were supposed to be lower with guys outside of the top 10, though? Shocking. Good thing he didn't have to deal with top 10 or top 5 pressure. What would that have looked like? Hilarious.

No surprise there. I doubt anyone capable of rational thought believed that Sanchez helped himself with his throwing today. On the other hand, teams will see tape of him in games, get coaches' and scouts' evaluations and watch him on his pro day. They'll also have his interviews to look back at.

He was stupid to throw today since Stafford wasn't throwing, but a good pro day will make up for it in the eyes of most.

And if he had had a good day at the combine he would of been neck and neck with Stafford. I didn't get to watch but it sounds like he had everything to gain and didn't "git er done". This will be in the eval equation for him, it can't be undone.

some have railed against mgmt already because of the coaches hired

Eli sat for half a season.

Other than Palmer, none of the others were top five, much less top 10.

No, but between #3 and #11, there is a considerable drop.

Did you read orange's assessment of the expectations surrounding Cutler, who was also the #11 overall selection?

Any QB selected in round 1 is going be under pressure and intense scrutiny. Unless he's 1/1, it's all going to be relatively similar. There's not going to be a big difference between #3 and #11 or #15.

Kitna was a decent starter, Palmer was brought in to ride the bench.

Favre was a HOF, Rodgers was a BPA pick.

Plummer had taken the Broncos to the AFC Championship the year before.

Maddox had a couple of decent years prior to the Steelers drafting Big Ben.

The Giants were the only team that didn't have a QB, and acquired one specifically to sit Eli behind.

The Chiefs do not have a good veteran Qb option. Their situation is more like the Falcons and Ravens of last year.

I hadn't read it.

I think top five picks are held to a different standard. They are paid a lot more, and honestly, when you get out of the top ten, there is less pressure for the organization to start them early due to financial considerations.

QBs taken at #11 overall are under no pressure to perform.
Teams could sit them for 5 years and none of the fans would complain, because he was not a top 10 pick.
Just ask me, I'm Sensible, I know.

I can see him going #10 to the 49ers.... local kid and all that. I just don't see how he goes in the top 10 otherwise.

It will be interesting to watch.

Its not just about the fans. It is about the money that they give these guys. It is about getting a return on your investment. This is a business, you know?

ROFL

But what about all that pressure? Isn't that the biggest issue?

Mecca says we should draft sanchez because his brother went to Yale
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Why is the sexual assault thing consistently brought up when it was completely thrown out at laughed about by the cops? The DA wanted to pursue this and they laughed and so go ahead and try there's nothing there.

And that is not remotely what I said there Zombie but hey don't let that stop you. People were questioning why his brother was working on his behalf and I brought that up nothing more nothing less.

Gilbert Gottfrieds take on Mark Sanchez:

Some have said that Mark Sanchez raped a young woman.It is shocking and terrible that some are saying that Mark Sanchez raped a young woman. If anyone has any evidence that Mark Sanchez raped a young woman then they should come forward with that evidence that Mark Sanchez raped a young woman.
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I think the only knock on choosing his brother to represent him is that agents do a lot more these days than just figure out your press time and contract. I hope and presume that he has all his ducks in a row though. Hell, maybe this even means he's concentrating on football and not worrying about signing with the biggest corporate fish in the pond...

I believe he's also working with David Dunns firm so it's not just his brother and no one else.

Drew Bledsoe was an underclassman by the way.

Drew Bledsoe. The standard mecca hopes sanchez lives up to.

1994 playoff at cleveland 4 INTS in 20-13 loss

1996 played pretty well in 28-3 win vs Pitt

1996 played lousy in 20-6 win over JAX. Special teams blocked punt setting up a martin 1 yard td and defense scored another td

SB 31. Throws 4 INTS

1997. Defense scores a td in 17-3 win vs miami

1997. Plays awful in 7-6 loss at pitt

2001. Led team to one td and a fg in afc title game. Got a lot of credit for the drama of it but in fact was a mixed performance much like his career

Career playoff rating about 59

3 playoff wins

Chiefs "didn't win shit" teams of the 90's

3 playoff wins

The standard.
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Yea guys that are all pros suck.

Led team to two SB's. He's shit.

KC would be greatly disappointed in this.

I think jeff garcia was an all pro. Should we get him?
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Your arguments are so weird. You pimp Roethlisberger and say stats don't matter because he's a winner, and then you pimp Bledsoe because he had nice stats and was an all pro, but couldn't win a big game.

Bledsoe "led" the patriots to super bowl 36?

Are you that brain dead?
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I'm not saying Bledsoe is the end all be all but to just flat act like he sucked is ludicrous.

Bledsoe got his team to the Super Bowl. He clearly won big games.

Garcia wasn't an All Pro.

And that's all anyone is saying.

He's not Manning, but Bledsoe was far from a failed selection, even at 1/1.

I'll agree with that. This other guy is taking that way too far, but some of the draft QB at any cost arguments are getting pretty crazy.

Hell, the other day Dane said he would be happy if our #3 draft pick turned out to be as good as Jake Delhomme.

People just don't remember his younger years he put up 4500 yards as a 2nd year player, was a 2 time all pro and so forth.

There was a period when he was easily a top 5 QB in the league.

I never said he sucked. I said he was good. At times very good. But NOT worthy of being the standard of what the chiefs need with this pick
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He was pretty awful in most big games, throwing 4 interceptions TWICE in the playoffs. Yes, he got his team to a Super Bowl, but mostly it wasn't because of his play.

You must think Carson Palmer blows too then.

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That guy makes Ken Patera look like Churchill.

Me?

I wouldn't say he blows, no. I also didn't say Bledsoe blows.

I do think you pump Carson Palmer up a little more than necessary though.

This sounds remarkably similar to many of the Roethlisberger criticisms.

Look, he got his teams there. You need to stop at this. We're not talking about a marginally talented QB, like a Dilfer (ironically a high pick) or something.

Let's give the guy some credit. He's a borderline HOF talent. Not the greatest like some thought out of college, but damn good.

I'll say this, KC has never seen a QB with as much talent as Bledsoe. Many in this fan base still latch on to Green. Don't get me wrong, nice player, but talent wise not capable of carrying Bledsoe's jock.

Ok used wrong term. My bad

Pro bowls

Both bledsoe and garcia made the pro bowl 4 times

Bledsoe in 94,96,97,02

Garcia 00,01,02,07

So if garcia is a four time pro bowler let's sign him,right?

If bledsoe meets our standards per talent evaluator mecca
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Bledsoe would have looked like god behind the line Green was behind...with his big arm he'd have just launched it.

What's palmer have to do with it. Palmer is better than bledsoe.
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It would have been sick. And then think about what Priest would have been like because of the increased deep threat, and you can just keep going.

Go back to masterbating. We are trying to have a football discussion.
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Bledsoe was 4-3 in the playoffs and never lost to a team with a worse record than his team had. Also, I believe that he only had one 4 pick game, and that was in the Super Bowl.

Frankly, that's a better playoff record than Peyton Manning.

Is Zombie being a douche about Bledsoe again? I had a first today, I put somebody on ignore.

He also had 4 picks in the 94 playoff loss to Cleveland.

I'd imagine this number might increase as we draw closer to draft day.

Bledsoe got one team there and that was because the patriot defense carried them in the afc playoffs and the jags upset denver

I happen to think roethlisburger is terrific and always have. Tough. A winner clutch. Everything bledsoe was not

And to say green couldn't carry bledsoes jock is almost as stupid as you trying to give bledsoe credit for the patriots winning sb 36.

Or thinking garcia never went to the pro bowl.
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Yip!

Both NFL.com and Pro-football-reference.com are in agreement on Bledsoe NOT having 4 picks in the 94 playoff game against Cleveland.

3-3. People forget brady played almost all the first half of that afc title game and had the patriots leading and driving for more. He got official credit for the win and they would have beaten the steelers by more had he played.

Bledsoe had two 4 INT playoff games. In 1994 at cleveland and sb 31
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4-3, and 1 4 pick game.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...0_playoffs.htm

I never did either.

Regarding the latter, I pointed out that he wasn't an All Pro, as you stated.

You don't account for bledsoes poor decision making lack of poise in the pocket and knack for throwing balls to linebackers

You don't think he had great pass protection during the Parcells years??? He was hardly touched. Until sb 31 in the fourth qtr he always had excellant pass protection
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You are correct. Sorry, he had 3 interceptions. He was 21 for 50 and had 3 interceptions.

Yeah. The 14 people who will be devastated if the chiefs don't pick a qb

The others have been rooting me on.
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Good luck with that...

Post screen captures of your rep. page, then.

I'm interested to see who has been rooting you on. Prove it.

I'll give him 1000 dollars in Casino Cash if he does it.