FTR, the immaturity shot was sarcasm aimed at SensibleChief.

I definitely like that he is competing and respect him for that. I just wish he would have competed better. When your arm strength looks inferior to guys like Pat White, then maybe you should have saved it.

I want a cocky QB. But I want a cocky QB that can back it up.

Thigpen has also been overconfident this offseason. That doesn't equate to success though.

I still didn't think his arm strength came off as poorly as same are making it out to be, it wasn't like he was Chad Pennington out there, his arm looked league average to me in todays workout.

I'd say he has an above average arm and needs to show that, he's probably already been told that 100 times by people coaching him.

He underthrew deep balls worse than ANYONE else in the drills today. Also the post corner, other than the one he threw out of bounds. And he was competing with mostly guys who won't be playing QB in the NFL.

When I watched Sanchez throw today I watched his feet and his release first. His five and seven step drops looks fluid to me. He had good spacing between his steps and didn't seem to stutter or take a few long or short steps. And he held the ball at a good height, right under his chin. Compared to some other guys that threw the ball, like that kid from 'Bama Gruden was jerking off, Sanchez looked poised in his drop back. As absurd as that sounds.

As for his arm strength, I thought he threw the ball well on the out routes and the post corner. The first deep throw he made had a lot of air under it, but I honestly think that had more to do with him floating it up there for the receiver to run under than anything else. And I say that because more than half of the receivers running routes rounded off on the second cone and its hard for a QB that has no timing with said WR to know where he is going to make his break and then place the ball accordingly.

Personally, I think you are a bit stuck on the deep balls he threw. I wouldn't get so caught up in that. There are a lot of good NFL QB's that throw soft deep balls.

Arm strength really is more important on the 15+ yard deep out routes and digs. And I think he showed he is capable of making those throws.

Besides, if he was that horribly inaccurate and weak armed, would he really have been as good as he was at USC this year? The guys on NFL T.V. said it best, the tape doesn't lie. You simply cannot judge anyone by a few throws at a combine with players he's never worked with. I mean, why is it said year after year in preseason how important it is for a QB and WR to establish timing?

I PRAY to CHRIST the Kansas City Chiefs DO NOT draft a QB with the #3 PICK in the draft.....THERE is NO QB in the Draft that warrants the #3 PICK period! I'm not at all sold on Stafford either......YES it is a HUGE need ..... but NO NO NO.....there is no QB worth that pick in the 09' DRAFT! Please don't let this happen.....Please.

Oh bull ****ing shit.

The two fly routes he threw were perfectly accurate, the WR had to take the slightest of hesitations to get there. Not one QB hit their guy in stride on the 9, and Pat White was the only one without a semblance of an underthrow.

No, they weren't. Not even close. They were most definitely behind the receivers.

So what do you suggest?

Pat Whites deep ball looked better while at the same time he had slow sloppy dropbacks and his outs were very poor they didn't have much drive or velocity coming out, there was a point when I was like man some of these passes look like White is trying to hard to show his arm is strong enough that he's losing control of the ball.

Personally what I thought of White was he showed he was a good athlete which everyone already knew, and that he could throw a nice deep ball which doesn't have much to do with arm strength and on the real arm strength throws he was overcompensating so much to try to show his arm is strong he was losing everything else.

Which is why I kind of sat in amazement at the statement that White looked better than Sanchez that someone made.

Take the safe player we gotta be worried about right now win 6 games!

take that nonsense back to WPI where it belongs....

It's funny that now you say they were perfectly accurate, because during the actual combine, here's what you had to say:


Good misses. I'm not sure how UNDERTHROWING a 9 route makes it a "good miss." Those are often times picked.

They absolutely were not. If you wanted to see bad throws from the QBs on the deep balls, look at what Painter and Reilly did.

Really???.....So Take a QB regardless in your opinion? Sorry.....But I disagree.......While I do think the QB position is the most important position....I DO NOT think think it is a automatic selection based on this years draft class. Your willing to draft on position, rather that talent? And U believe the QB class has the talent to be drafted @ #3?

I'm sure you think Sam Bradford is a better prospect than these guys too right?

Idiot.

#1 I never said they were perfect throws. A perfect throw is to the outside shoulder in stride. I said no one hid them in stride.

If you underthrow a 9 by a half step, the receiver sees it and either gets run into (for a PI) or makes the catch, because it's nigh impossible for a CB running stride for stride to make that adjustment after the receiver has done it.

Hence the prevalence of the fade stop.

I'm not saying don't draft the guy but you have to admit his throws today were not what you'd expect from the 3rd overall pick in the draft. If he had more starting experience I don't think the combine hurts him at all. The problem is he doesn't have a lot of starting experience and he is a Junior coming out. That makes the combine more important for him. I think he was too worried about proper footwork and proper mechanics and not on making an accurant pass. Hopefully his pro day looks better.

I've seen conflicting reports about Sanchez today (didn't get to watch it myself).

Gruden & Mooch seemed to think he did "ok" and "solid", Mooch even mentioned him as "the next great QB from USC", other reports said he looked decent and showed the arm strength to make all the throws.

Then I come to CP and wham, he totally sucked, missed all the throws, etc.

This place will go nuts no matter who we draft.

Some people thought they were gonna see him display some sort of JaMarcus Russell cannon or something, those are the guys who awe people in workouts but then we look to the field...

People don't know what to look for.

I just QUOTED you in this thread saying they were perfectly accurate.

And those weren't thown a half-step behind the receivers.

By the way is Don Banks really quoted in the thread?

He's like the net version of Todd McShay.

Please Be honest.....U believe Sanchez is worth the 3rd pick in the draft? Because he is a QB? Or because his talent? Really? Not being a dick....but what U R seeing.....watched Sanchez get his cock stomped in Eugene and then watched his UNBELIEVABLE performance in the ROSE Bowl.....but REALLY 16 starts and ready to call him READY??????? Just scared I guess......

Perfectly accurate isn't a perfect throw.

Why is this so hard to understand?

If Pennington hoists up a lollipop that is going to hit his man in stride, but it stays up so long that the CB picks it off, it's an accurate throw, but it's not a perfect throw.

The receivers didn't have to break for the ball, move towards the middle of the field, or slow down much at all. Less than any other QB who threw the deep ball, save for the one Pat White aired out that his receiver had to lay out for to get to because it was overthrown.

Uh the only time Sanchez played in Eugene was last year and they didn't get stomped by a top 5 Oregon team mind you...

Please be honest, who ya got at QB next year?

If he says Colt McCoy we get to kick his ass...

But I'm going to bet it's going to be some spread monkey.

20 years of Carl Peterson will do that to you...

Just relax, we never won shit drafting scared and regardless of what people say, you can win a championship by drafting and developing QB's in the 1st round...

Right on, next year will be defense at the top of the draft

If anyone tells me Sam Bradford is better prospect than Eric Berry or Carlos Dunlap I get to beat them in the head with a pipe Ken Hamlin style.

Well, like I said in the combine thread when you were calling me an idiot saying Sanchez threw a perfect post corner route when he threw one out of bounds, and one way behind the receiver, we must have been watching different combines.

Well just wait a little while,someone here will say it at some point.

Well some people were, hearing some say Pat White looked awesome is mind numbing.

Tebow.

It's coming. Because he's a "winner."

Ya Know Ron.....I don't know. But I don't think there is an OUTSTANDING QB worth the #3 in this years draft and I don't think U reach for one. While I agree it is a HUGE Need .... IMO there is not a QB that warrants that high of a selection ..... regardless of importance. We have a ton of needs....including QB...but I do not believe drafting a underclassman @ #3 is worth the pick.

And what QB's are worth it, Sam Bradford right...blah...

I also think it's funny that anyone would just assume an underclassman will fail just cause.

So what QB do you have leading this team into the future?

You keep using the word "safe" like it's a negative.......8-8 blah blah blah.....we have alot more needs than just the QB position....I'm with U, the QB is the building block ..... but don't force it if the player is not on the board.

And where did I say safe in that post?

Let's forget the more controversial Sanchez.

If you don't think Stafford is worthy of the #3 overall selection, there will never, and I mean NEVER, be a prospect that you like enough to make the selection.

We're talking about a player with unbelievable tools and enormous upside, and these really aren't even arguable points.

See that's the thing. QB. The most important position on the field. Define reach.

Do you really want to see Thigpen next year? I sure as hell don't want to drive 8 hours to watch Thigpen again...unless he's playing but our franchise QB is carrying a clipboard and learning the speed of the game.

We HAVE to get a franchise QB.

Only if he played in the Big 12!

I thought we were only arguing about Sanchez being a reach at #3?

Surely we're not suggesting Stafford is a reach at #3??

not in this post...but condeming any other pick other than QB in many of your posts.....I'm on board with your QB being the most important component of the team.....just not on board with this draft being the time to find one.

He's said no quarterback is worthy of the selection, including Stafford.

And which kicker would he like us to take?

Let me guess you'd like to take Aaron Curry as 1 cover LB has been taken top 3 in the last 20 years....that's an awesome idea.

He wants us to take an OL I'm sure, this fan base has an OLine obsession 5 1st rounders!

So..... IF we do not draft a QB in the first round, most would be dissappointed????

Exactly.

Given this AWESOME class of QB's we have to choose from?

What do you want to do.....you need to have a better informed take than just "Oh I don't want a QB" which is a fear post..

Tell me who's better.

Next year sure as hell isn't. Mark Sanchez has way more talent than ANY QB next year.

Either we get a pretty good prospect this year or we don't do it at all. We sign Jeff Garcia, draft Curry and an offensive line, and win 2 games again next year, rinse and repeat.

We DON'T have a franchise QB. Sanchez is good enough to be called a franchise QB by most draft experts. NOW would be a good time for this team to get one, especially if we're going to dole out truckloads of money with the 3rd overall pick.

Dude....I'm on your side.......I just don't want to draft a QB with the 3rd pick regardless of talent.

What the hell point are you making you said you don't want a QB now you're saying you're on my side?

He's saying he wants to draft a QB, but not if there isn't one worthy of the selection.

I'm saying you don't draft a franchise QB if there is NO franchise QB to draft.

BINGO

And then you are saying that you don't thin they are worth it so who do you want then?

So when do you draft a QB?

Again, if anyone doesn't think Stafford is worthy of #3, that poster will never think there's a talented enough prospect.

Arguing Stafford's raw talent and upside is just, well, painful.

I'm not arguing this point at all, as I have repeated over and over that I feel like Stafford is the only franchise QB in this class.

I was just clarifying to Mecca what I thought his post was saying.

No, I know.

This wasn't directed at you. I was merely picking up on the line of thought.

If I'm Pioli.....not with the #3 pick. It's easy to say go for Cassell, go for Anderson....but both are fairly unrealistic. But IMO there is not a QB in this Draft worth the #3 pick in the draft....#3.....there is soooo many needs on a 2-14 team.....the QB is the most important .... but when there is NO QB worthy of that selection...U don't draft him just because. Mecca will LOVE this .... but I really do have faith that Pioli has a better grasp of our needs than I do.

Actually Doomy, I am ready for preseaon, CP is almost getting impossible to read....

This I will agree with. But it's that way coming from both sides of this argument.

Way to not take any position at all.

My position.....as stated.....DO NOT draft a QB @ #3.

Who would you draft there? That is his question.

And once again that means you want to draft who then?

Its just getting old, all the draft talk, all the opinions, all the experts, all the people calling out the experts for they are the experts, the anti-qb crowd, the pro-qb crowd, the true fans, the realists....

I cant wait to get the board back to actual Chiefs talk instead of constant bashing...

yep. Me too.

Which has been dodged in each reply... But we do know he doesnt ever think a QB should be drafted at #3 position...

That's a fine question......Doubtful that anyone would give fair value for the #3 pick....D Line would be the first place I would look although it as thin as QB...as much as u hate it... I would look hard @ Curry....

It always gets pretty nasty around draft time but this year is worse mainly bc a) we are going to draft a QB and b) the influx of reeruned noobs.

Being a 4 year vet, this is the real head scratcher... I dont ever recall n00b season being this popular...