well im pretty sure Merritts release has something to do with being arrested for Marijanua.

feels good

Not sad to see any of them gone. To bad there isn't any good FA left to sign.

It wasn't Huard's fault that our offensive line sucked dick. The poor bastard was running for his life most of the time.

Who cares, he was a ****ing joke anyway... Just a waste of a roster spot...

Besides he quit on his team...

gonna have some serious work down on the linebacker position this offseason

Can you actually get in the HOF when you just up and quit in the middle of a game?

Well, it sure as shit seemed to me that the line that was supposed to be protecting him quit long before he did.

It's not I think he's God's gift or anything, but he was pretty thoroughly hamstrung by the players around him.

offense got alot better once Thigpen got in there instead of Huard/Croyle

same offensive line

Huard was old and decrepit. He needed to go.

The offense was also substantially altered after Thigpen took over, too. He sure didn't have much success until after it was altered.

Look, I realize lots of people really hated him. For those who do, that's fine. But we've had far worse players than Huard stinking up Arrowhead. Remember Sims? How about Hicks, or McCleon, or Bartee? I'll save my hatred for those ****ing scumbags - they cost us far more than Huard ever did.

C'mon man. Huard is a pocket QB, whereas Thigpen is a fast QB who can dodge pressure. Most pocket QBs are slower than Thigpen and would have got destroyed back there. Not to mention that the spread offense is designed to make it easier for a QB to escape pressure.

The offensive line the last few years sucked. And that's a horrible thing for a pocket QB with no mobility. I can't believe there are seriously people who are arguing otherwise.

I dunno, Frazod. For some reason, the only people who fans seem to respect are those who are annual pro bowlers. Fans won't hesitate for a second to throw anyone else under the bus--I first found that out when the fans turned on Trent Green like a bad habit.

I don't understand what's to hate about the guy. He didn't quit on the team--there were reports saying that last year he was bruised up because he kept getting clocked on almost every single throw. He didn't complain, he willingly mentored the young QBs, and he handled the Green/Huard QB situation with a hell of a lot of class. There's not much to hate about the guy. He probably was never good enough to be a starter, but that's the Chiefs' fault for making him one. As a backup, he was as good as they come.

i didn't hate Huard

don't hate Croyle either

sure as hell don't hate Thigpen


Huard did pretty much quit though

Me too. Me ****in too.

No way. I'll take a really durable player over a good passer for QB #3. If you're down to the third guy, you need somebody who is going to last the rest of the season. If he gets injured early, you won't have anyone left at the position who is familiar with the playbook.

He sucked ass, he had a couple of decent games for the Chiefs when Green when down.. Thankfully they ran LJ into the ground that year to protect BigFetal...

Yes the shitbag did quit on the Chiefs in the Broncos game at home when they made him the starter in 2007... **** Huard and all the fans that want to get all weapy eyes for him... He stoled money from this franchise and gave nothing in return...

Starting him cost us the 2007 season, we didnt know if we needed a QB or not, He went out and put up an epic pyle of fail...

Maybe all the fans that love players whom provide nothing to getting this team closer to a championship can leave with them...

Not a better place to retire it.

ROFL at Huard!

LMAO ****ing CP line of the year thus far.

Starting Damon Huard in 07 were the final nails in Herm's and Carl's coffins. You should worship the ground Damon Huard walks on.

Yea verily, Huard performed all manner of services as a Chief...

I stand corrected Mr Floppyraisins Please Forgive?

I would like to thank Damon Huard and Donnie Edwards for their play over the years. No hard feelings.

Wonder if the Vikes will grab Damon too hehe

I pass no judgment. I merely point to the scriptures. No forgiveness is required.

Other than DE built a 4 million dollar home here in KC. Like many before him, they come and don't leave, even Trent Green mentioned coming back.

Hey, at the end of the day I'll always love Donnie Edwards. We couldn't afford that liability in any sense at this point though. Too much money, not enough results.

But that's the Chiefs' dumb fault. Huard wasn't supposed to be a starter--every executive in the league said that. Why do you think nobody went after him? His job was to be a backup, and he was a very good one.
But in order for him to be at all effective, he had to have an offensive line. He is way too slow to function without one. It's the reason Palmer has sucked it up. It's the reason why Kurt Warner was pushed out of St. Louis. It's the reason Bledsoe looked good in some places and horrible in others. And let's be clear--the Chiefs' offensive line wasn't just bad, it was embarrassingly bad. Even in 2008, before they moved to the spread. Anyone who tells you otherwise is revising history.

And Huard didn't quit on the Chiefs. He was a 35-year-old QB who was sacked 36 times in 11 games in 2007 and probably hit and hurried on almost every play where he wasn't sacked. I've never seen a QB take that big of a beating in my life.

I don't understand why fans are so obsessed with shoving people on their way out. Huard wasn't supposed to be a savior. It's the Chiefs' fault for pretending like he was. He did everything he was supposed to, and that includes being the guinnea pig to play behind a horribly unprepared offensive line that knocked the living crap out of him game in, game out.

He wasn't scrambling, he was getting a running start to throw the deep out.

LMAO

Guess I'll go out side and pick solid gold apples from my golden apple tree, in my magical orchard, and then bop on over next door to the 24 hour weed/opium/Swedish ski-bunny store, and make a trade for goods and services.

Yes, that's what I'll do.

Does anyone think any of the guys released will play for someone else this year? (except Merrit, who gives a s__t about him anyway)

ROFL No.

All these players will be collecting social security.

I'll send 'em a golden apple now and again.

So now we have approx. $50mil of cap space to work with? That's working on half of the total cap.


PhilFree:arrow:

Keep the whores to yourself. Good man.

But of course! :D

I have a feeling the Chiefs are going to make a splash when free agency opens.

Yes, It's unbelievable sitiuation to be in. I can't wait until FA starts.

We are really close to being an expansion team with the early picks and the cap space for free agency.

PhilFree:arrow:

We have to. We can't depend solely on the draft-it's nearly impossible to field a team solely through the draft in 7 years, with 7 picks each year it's still only 49 players in 7 years time and that's if EVERY PICK PANS OUT. I suspect, we will be looking for a couple of impact players and a few role role players in FA. I'm ready.

But are there any Linemen, Ends, Receivers, or LB's in the FA market that are worth spending the cash on?

Or, will they be shopping an every down back? :hmmm:

Expect a lot of FA's, and I mean A LOT.

But don't expect a lot of big names.

And that's exactly why Scott Pioli is our GM. This is a house sweeping of the highest order.

They're just stocking the fridge, looking for at least incrementally better players to help us get some wins in 09. Basically, babysitters on the roster to mark time until the 2010 draft, me thinks.
A LOT of rotation coming in the New Era.

Colts & Steelers will disagree with that.

So, Pioli cleared some room for Cassell.

Not true, there were some of us that were and are adamantly against trading picks for players. As I said at the time, it was a stupid, short-sighted trade.

Ahem...

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ROFL

Bringing back Edwards was another obvious mistake. Glad to see we're cleaning house.

While I like their approach, there's more than one way to get better. Ultimately, yes, you prefer the draft picks to pan out, but FA definitely has it's merits and I won't be disappointed if we make some moves to improve via FA or trade. Our roster is just as PhilFree mentioned, close to being an expansion team.

Yep pretty much. Place holders till we can replace them in the draft. Lots of Joey Harrington, Monty Beisel, Kevin Burnett, Ray Willis types.

Total concurrence here.

Especially if there's any thought at all of transitioning to the 3-4. This might be the year to get the wheels going on that, with 2010 being a more realistic goal to have any semblance of the necessary personnel in place.

Speaking of defense, I'm watching the "DT 7" game. Carl Peterson should be SHOT for letting Smith get away; those two together we're so ****ing awesome.

What happened to Zone? These guys are so on Seattle's shit, it isn't even funny. If you can't go man to man with your Corners on an assist with a Free Safety; you've got some problems.

I hate this chickenshit defense the league is playing these days.

Also, the Chiefs defenders in this particular game are doing this strange thing where they hit while simultaneously using their arms to take the target down to the ground.
What IS this strange voodoo? :rolleyes::D

I mentioned it in another thread, but I can see Chris Canty being that exact type of player. A low-profile guy, who goes to work and does the little things to attempt to improve his game. Canty could help us transition to the 3-4 a little easier and I don't think his contract will break the bank.

I'm with you.

I mentioned Canty back in early January. He and/or Igor Olshansky.

huard provided fun when i thought that one season was going to be a season to never watch. thank you.

And so the era of Ingle Martin begins.

Yeah, it was sad to see such a fast deterioation of his skills. No one can escape father time.

To Donnie: Thanks for all your hard work, and sorry about but we need players who will be on the field the entire game. Thanks and good luck.

To Everyone else:

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Please God let it be Jason Brown in the first 5 seconds of FA!

We'll need to move quick to get Brown.

When does Free Agency begin?

Friday morning at 12:01.

I laughed when I saw the list on ESPN of some of the underrated pickups in FA and they were all guys that have been discussed on here at length.

So much for an inexpensive price tag for Canty, the damn Redskins have him targeted...


Skins Like Canty ... and Other Free-Agent Buzz
While Daniel Snyder's meeting with the agent for defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth drew lots of attention, many people around Redskins Park say they would be surprised if the Skins spent the kind of money it would take to land him. And if they did try to make that happen, it would leave them with other holes they could not fill. (I continue to say buyer beware when it comes to this guy, especially if he has the security of $30 million guaranteed in his pocket.)

Snyder and other owners meet with lots of agents at the combine - the Skins chatted with at least a half-dozen about free-agent deals, etc. - and, according to team and league sources, Dallas defensive lineman Chris Canty is someone they have significant interest in signing, and someone who is cost effective.

The plan remains largely as it was more than a month ago - to try to re-sign DeAngelo Hall, plug gaps on the offensive and defensive lines with value free agents, and likely re-sign some of their aging veterans on the cheap as insurance (Pete Kendall, maybe Phillip Daniels). Vinny Cerrato, the vice president of football operations, has expressed some frustration to others around the league about the slow progress with Hall, and the gap that exists between the sides, but the Redskins will continue try to sign him until free agency begins at 12:01 Friday.

Beyond that move, Cerrato is looking to address the lines in free agency. Canty is seen as a younger, more dynamic Daniels, according to a team source, and could occupy multiple blockers and stuff the run on first and second down, then rush from the inside on third down. (That's free agent Demetric Evans's role from a year ago, and explains why the team hasn't even given him a lowball offer to this point).

With Canty doing the dirty work, defensive end Jason Taylor might be able to play strong-side linebacker and rush from there, being granted more freedom from run responsibilities and being able to play the run on the way to the passer. (It's still baffling why they would bring Taylor back at $8 million, given his injuries and poor 2008 season and the fact that there would likely be no interest in him anywhere else at anything close to that salary. Still, Cerrato has long had a close relationship with Taylor's agent, Gary Wichard, who also happened to be Adam Archuleta's agent, for those keeping score at home.)

Canty is in that second tier of free agents the Skins will persue, but even so his average salary could creep to around $8 million. He's been a stalwart for years, played at Virginia and has a solid character. At just 26, he'd fit the long-overdue youth movement. He has played in a 3-4, but can play in a 4-3 as well. The other guy like that out there, San Diego's Igor Olshansky, has not drawn interest from the Skins, according to a league source. I get the sense from inside and outside the building that Canty would be their guy.

On the offensive side of the ball, we've long established that internally the Skins believe they need two guards and a tackle. They may not have the cap space and budget to go after a money guy here, especially if they were to sign Hall and Canty, for instance, but Mark Tauscher could be a name to watch as well. Tauscher has been a very good right tackle for the Packers for a long time, and is recovering from anterior cruciate ligament surgery. (He will ready for training camp, according to his agent, Neil Cornrich, and, while at 31 he's on the older side, he would be an upgrade if healthy.) He has shined in the postseason in the past against some of the better pass rushers and is a guy who has averaged $5 million a season in the past.

If you get him for a short-term deal, and you want some insurance at a vital position (Chris Samuels is coming off major surgery, even if the Skins do draft a tackle), you could do a whole lot worse. The Skins have only four draft picks and taking a tackle at 13 might not make sense. Tauscher plays squat and is bright, so a switch to the interior would not be impossible. Cornrich would not speak about particular teams in the hunt but did say, "it's been a very aggressive pre-free agency period," when asked about the potential market for Tauscher.

(One other thing related to the offensive line: I know a lot of you like Jets guard Brandon Moore, who will be released for cap purposes. However, the Skins have given no indication to this point that they will be in the hunt for the 27-year-old. From what I am gathering, I would be surprised if they pursue him - though he would surely be a major upgrade.)


By Jason La Canfora | February 23, 2009; 7:26 PM ET

We may have to add a couple digits to get this guy...it sounds like he's one of the coveted this offseason. Spots like Miami would have to be tempting for a guy like this....with fingers crossed I wait for Friday...

Yea, he would be a huge addition.

You'd have to really suck, to get cut by the 49ers.

WTF?

They are closer to winning their division then we are. Of course, that division is terrible.

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Yeah and the afc west is the tournament of champions.