Hali has been on the team for 3 years not 1....and he's ALWAYS injured, that's the 1 thing he's good at.

I don't even know if there is a position that Hali can play in a 3-4. He might just end up getting cut. He was tried at a RDE pass rusher and failed completely and he's not particularly strong at the run at LDE in a 4-3.

His biggest problem is he's not really good at anything, there's nothing he excels at, he tries hard and tends to get injured.

cracking me up, every other post is "injuried" - I got your opinion Mecca, that's great - now go scurry along and cry about not being able to draft Sanchez. Many players play with bumps and bruises, how many games has Hali missed over the last three years?

Why do people like shitty players?

I don't know, why do you like sanchez?

He's not hurt any more often than Antonio Cromartie. :evil:

What the **** does Mark Sanchez have to do with Tamba Hali and his inability to do a god damn thing, being an end on the a team that just set the record for the worst pass rush ever is qualification enough to be told to go away and not come back.

When he produces like Cromartie we can overlook that :)

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Tamba's done at this point.

He has never played LB or any other position where he doesn't have his hand on the ground. It's a rare player who can make that transition, and many have tried.

Tamba has done little to distinguish himself at any position, in any formation. He is no better than average amoung DEs in the NFL and he's probably not even that.

You have to admit that Hali had a decent rookie campaign, even with HORRIBLE coaching.

Actually, Hali played snaps standing up at PSU.

In fact, he's taken MANY snaps standing up in KC. They moved him all over the place his rookie season.

Can we at least be intellectually honest while we're tearing the guy down?

Come on, you just said that it's easy to say a guy will suck in Feb. and you will laugh come Dec. Now your being unreasonable, at least with Hali we've seen him play as a pro and got a feel for his skill set. The ONLY thing he has going for him is his motor.

Sanchez has yet to take a pro snap, how can you compare someone liking one player to the other?

Also, just because Pioli and the KC Staff went with Cassel does not mean they didn't feel Sanchez was worth the #3 pick, they might have felt Cassel would have been worth the #3 pick and they could get him and Vrabel for a second. You don't know what went on in there office, so please stop acting like you know what they were thinking.

Wait a minute.... Has anyone seen KCJ on here since this dimwit rolled in???

Dupe??

Um...

Hali has the potential to be a decent player in the 3-4 imo. Smaller DEs are the protoypical OL players in the 3-4, and that describes Tamba Hali. I don't really think he's as slow as people on here are saying either. He had the speed to get the sacks, just not size or the burst so he was pushed back.

Besides, he stood up all through college and he's stood up for the Chiefs, and he did well when he did. I recall he actually had a pass defense in fact. I'd be going out on a limb if I said he can definitely be a stud in the 3-4, but I think it's as much of a stretch to say that he definitely can't be good in the 3-4.

The potential is there, we just need to try it and see.

Hali has taken snaps standing up.

But has he taken pisses standing up?

No. That is not allowed here. Move along.

Yes, I'm sorry to say.

Hali fared well at the LDE position opposite Jared Allen. What made that work is that the threat of Allen coming often flushed QBs toward Hali--naturally, given that most right-handed QBs roll right. Hali didn't really have to track down QBs that much because QBs were usually moving toward his direction or at least "trapped" in the pocket.

It says a lot that he struggled big time when he was moved over to RDE, a position where speed is held at a much higher premium.

Hali's strength is his burst off the line and he's decently strong for his size. But having a quick first step is not the same as being fast. He is not a guy who can catch a guy in pursuit. This is the wrong position for him. He belongs as a rotational lineman at best. The Chiefs tried him out as a falcon before and it didn't work out.

Hali's only role would be to serve as a rotational DE if the Chiefs choose to mix 3-4 and 4-3 looks. I don't think they will.

There's no reason to go with Hali. He's a 4-3 DE. He'll do fine on some other team as a rotational DE. But you shouldn't try to mold a square peg into a round hole with Hali. He put up an atrocious 40 time at the combine, and while speed isn't everything, you can't play in a LB role with a 4.8 40 time. You just can't. Not when Demarcus Ware and Merriman are running it in 4.6 or below.

I think he's a great backup. But that's it. Definitely not living up to his potential (or at least where he was drafted...)

Whether you like him or not, he plays till the whistle unlike many NFL players.

That's nice he tries hard...

I could careless about that I care about his talent level.

His talent level is far superior to anyone else on the team at that position. Hali had a bad year, so he is no officially a bust? How about we give him a try with a DC that can actually whipe his own ass.

What position?

DE

In a 3-4 he isn't a DE.

Oh, didn't realize you were a coach for the KC Chiefs?

Do you have any idea what the difference in a 4-3 and a 3-4 are really?

You don't have to be a coach for the chiefs to understand what prototypical 3-4 ends are, or that Hali isn't one. That's why the thread has been about whether or not people think he can play OLB. He's anywhere from 15 to 30 pounds too small to play defensive end now. 3-4 ends (at least in the Patriots system - Steelers are a little more active) aren't pass rushers, their main job is to occupy space, eat up blocks so the LBs can do their job. Role is closer to 4-3 tackles than 4-3 ends.

Personally I think he's a better fit for DE than OLB, but it's less about being talented at end than not being talented enough for OLB. He's played inside at a higher weight before, in college, and that's exactly what I'd try to do with him now.

I don't think he can play DE in the 3-4. Even if he adds weight, I think he will get manhandled.

Plus, that takes away from his athleticsm. For all the bashing, the guy ran a similar 40 to Terrell Suggs. He also had a 4.31 20 yard shuttle, which shows good explosion and change of direction.

I can't wait to see him in this defense.

I may be completely wrong. But, I call it like I see it, and I think that Hali will be a good fit in the new defense.

Agreed almost 100%.

He can't play DE in the 3-4, he's not good at taking on blockers head on. He's not just too light, he's short too.

Forget the 40 and look at the shuttle time. He can close on the ball and that's enough to make him a servicable OLB for situational duty.

I'm not gonna go as far as to say he will be "good" but I don't think he's a lock to get cut like so many think he is.

I'm glad Parker is back because this is the kind of stuff he brings...to sit here and say Hali is worthless is completely wrong.

It's also "intellectually dishonest" to say Hali can't beat an OT 1-on-1, as Mecca posted. We have seen Hali toast right tackles dozens of times in his career. Dozens. Do you think every sack he got was because of Allen?

At some point he had to make a play himself.

I agree with Parker that he can be a backup OLB/situational pass rusher. And as Parker pointed out, he was doing a ton of standup pass rushing his first year and continued to do it the last two years. He was basically a poor man's "Falcon."

A 3-4 OLB has a ton more responsibility than just being a standup rusher...

Look I'll give the Cassell thing a chance but if this team is serious about going 3-4 which it appears they are alot of these guys just frankly can't play here anymore.

They should try him out at cornerback.
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And he'll be a poor man's OLB in a 3-4, too.

But let's not act like he's got NO shot, because he absolutely does.

know why hali didnt get hardly any sacks last year?


the QB could hear his feet clompin' from 20 paces away.
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While that's true and Hali, I still say that means he can be effective as a rotational 4-3 DE. Realize the skill set for a 4-3 DE--you have to muscle your way through a lot more, since you usually have a TE that helps the RT in chipping at the pass rusher. You can't win on explosion. So Hali would usually get sacks by outworking the blocking and using his high motor to get to the QB. Keep in mind that because Allen was the greater threat, the QB was always flushing right, which moves right toward Hali. Also keep in mind that because Allen was a threat, the QB was never a threat to roll left (which is unnatural for a QB anyway).

Hali is a hard worker who plays to the whistle. But in a 3-4, it's about having the explosion to accelerate into the backfield with his hands off the ground, and Hali isn't that guy. There are linemen a lot faster than he is. While he could do "okay" as a rotational backup, I think if he stays on the roster he's basically just a stopgap until they have the resources to find someone better.

I absolutely agree with this.

I don't think he's going to be cut, I just don't think he's going to fit at OLB at all. I see him basically exactly the opposite of you. I see a tweener that on one hand doesn't have the explosion to rush the passer or the ability to take on ball carriers in space, which makes him a bad fit at OLB. And on the other hand he doesn't have the prototypical bulk or strength for DE. I think in his case it would be more productive to work with the strength and conditioning staff and push him up into the 290 range, because the shortcomings he has at OLB aren't things that can be fixed.

I'm talking purely theoretically, in terms of what I think it would take to get him playing every down.

My guess is he'll end up being a nickel pass rusher. Which is a monumental waste of a 1st round pick. But what can you do...

I think Mecca is correct he is a little light for a 3/4 DE. It depends what kind of 3/4 system you will run. If you run a system similer to the Patriots where you expect your DE and NT to two gap then yes he is too small. If you run something like the Steelers D than he might work. Brett Keisal from the Steelers is 6'5 285 and seems to do OK in that system.

I hope people don't confuse what I'm saying about Hali as a "defense" of him.

Because the sentence I quoted above is 100% how I feel about it.

You're a halipologist who wants herm back on the sideline and wishes carl was still running the team. Everybody knows it.

It is only a matter of time before he wil be Piosimilated.

and gaily backs hailey.

I think this is the thread we were speculating about. I guess it was Mecca and some others, apologies to GoChiefs for the false accusation

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