All right answer me this, how does a LB get a sack while dropping back in coverage? Did you miss how he is known as a coverage LB? The guy was not asked to rush the QB in college.

Ron Edwards a viable starter on most teams lol...

If these guys were nearly as good as you are saying they are this defense would not be this bad.

Which means he doesn't rush the passer right? Rushing the passer is something you can't just teach someone to do, if it was a premier pass rusher wouldn't be valued like he's gold...think about that.

Yea, so much talent that we got carved up on the ground every week.

Until someone gives an example of a player that played LB in college and successfully made the transition to 3-4 OLB, the point is moot.

No.... your concept of what guys are suited to do is the problem.

But, what do I expect, you told everyone that Sanchez was going to be great at the combine throwing because physical tools were never the issue.

He's got the range you look for in a 3-4 ILB. What he doesn't have is the killer instinct, at least not this past season.

Dorsey aside, the rest of that list is made up of rotational players at best. Those guys wouldn't and won't anchor a top 10 unit.

There is a supreme lack of overall talent on this roster. 10 sacks, 2 wins, multiple 300 yard rushing games of the opposition. However you want to measure, it's not good.

Donnie Edwards played OLB in the 3-4, just off the top of my head. He played ILB and OLB in the 3-4, as well as MLB and OLB in the 4-3.

But, for the record, I do not want Curry playing OLB in the 3-4.

I think it was fine but the Chiefs pulled a typical Chiefs move and now the #3 pick is pretty much worthless now.

I brought that up a bit ago, I want an example, 3-4 OLB's are converted DE's not traditional backers "taught" to rush the passer.

No, not 'anchor'.... the anchor of a unit has to be its strength. In this scenario, the Chiefs strength would be their linebackers.

But, the defensive line would be better than some in here will realize until it happens.

Boone and McBride are natural fits for BACKUP DE in the 3-4. We'd still need starters.

The Chiefs LB's would be their strength?

So a team with no pass rushing LB's in a 3-4 would be their strength?

I didn't know that Obama's economic strategist was a Chiefs fan.....

No wonder Wall Street is tanking. Sensible is posting on CP while he should be spending another trillion or two.

And we have no nose at all which is by far the most important line position.

Donnie Edwards played ILB in the 3-4 and teams don't spend premium draft picks on 3-4 ILB unless they're the Patriots and they're loaded everywhere already.

He played both.

Thank you.

The LB's were the biggest liability on a terrible unit last season. DJ is a supreme disappointment, and, even if Curry is the greatest thing ever to step foot on a field, he alone won't make the LB corp the strength of this team in a 3-4.

No he didn't. He may have played there in an emergency but he was primarily an ILB.

I'm going to tell you right now you're going to go in a huge circle now.

Even if we draft Curry we still need another good linebacker to run a 3-4. We also don't know if Vrabel can handle a full time load anymore. I also don't know if Tamba Hali can even play in a 3-4.

I don't believe he played more than a few downs at OLB in San Diego.

Tamba Hali has a couple fans left.

If we draft Curry, we need TWO.

DJ is an ILB. Curry is an ILB. Vrabel is a spot player at this point. Hali MIGHT be able to play OLB in a situational role. If we draft Curry, we need two starting OLB's.

He was primarily an ILB in the 3-4, which was the best fit for him. But, he did play outside for a full season in the 3-4.

But, again, we don't dissagree that Curry's best fit is at ILB. We also don't dissagree that Donnie's best fit was at ILB.

Fans? Not really.

You can't throw everybody away in one offseason, especially somebody that we spent a 1st-rounder on.

Be realistic.

You are right... teams don't. And, most of the time they shouldn't.

In this case, I think it is the player that makes the most sense.

In sum, then, we wouldn't have addressed the 3 most important positions in a 3-4. But, by all means, Curry makes sense in every other respect.

I don't care where he was picked when you change regimes who bring new schemes guys who don't fit gotta go.

If you make the assumption that Vrabel can't handle a full load then we need two. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt until i actually see him play here. We definitely need to be grooming Vrabel's replacement asap.

When did Edwards play OLB in the 3-4 for the Chargers?
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They need a nose tackle more than anything...the rush backers can be had in many places if you look around you'll see plenty of examples the nose however is much harder to find.

Also if this team is going to try to make an exception for a player that doesn't really fit the defense its Dorsey not Hali from everything to natural talent to contract numbers.

Which do we need more Curry or Raji?

I wonder which player is ranked higher on the Chiefs' board.

Raji plays the much more valued position.

Not at all at once, they don't.

It's not rocket science, is it? :thumb:

Okay, first off; Spit Bubble salutes you, Nonsensical Chiefs Fan! He appreciates your advocacy and continued support!

Second,
Dorsey, Flowers, Carr, and Leggitt; that is our defense. That is it,and there ain't no more.

Much roster to fill. Much.

They're going to have to make SEVERAL exceptions if they plan on going 3-4 right away.

None of our existing DL would be ideal starters in a 3-4. Some of them might be backups at various positions, but we have no starters.

DJ is a starting ILB in a 3-4. Other than him and Vrabel (who might be a backup at this point) we have no starters at LB, either.

Pollard MIGHT be a decent SS in a pressure D. Page has no position, and both of our CB's are zone guys who might struggle in a pressure D.

By my count, your scenario of not making exceptions would require us to get TEN new defensive players this offseason. That's not going to happen.

Dorsey isn't the ideal fit for the 3-4 and both Flowers and Carr are zone CB's vs. pressure guys.

If we were going to field the IDEAL 3-4 D, we should probably replace everybody.

Tamba Hali is the guy that immediately jumps out to me as having no 3-4 position more so than anyone else...the other guys you may sort of get by for a year.

Which is why I was against this move.

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree.

You need rotational guys regardless of scheme and I do think Hali can do spot duty at OLB. SPOT duty.

THIS!

I'm not keen on changing schemes when we're this young. Makes the last 3 years a COMPLETE waste instead of a partial one.

I'd agree if he did anything well, ran well, played the run well something..

Hell I think Brian Johnston has a better shot of being a 3-4 role guy out there than Hali does.

Now I think Flowers will be fine, and I don't particularly like the safeties and most of the front 7 needed to be replaced anyway.

i dont think it matters about curry. KC will see who has a hardon for QB and trade down in the 1st and p/u some pick(s) in the later rounds.
some team/gm/coach/owner will reach for our pick.

I hope you're right.

My ideal scenario would be trading down, picking up a 2nd round pick or more, and still getting a good LB or DL.

Not even the Star would go with
a dash of Curry

Nope.

But you'd never know that from reading this forum sometimes. :D

ROFL

I know I'm dazzled as all **** about him!

LMAO

Uh, Flowers LIVES to bring pressure. Just because ****her never called a Corner Blitz, does NOT mean Flowers can't bring one. He can.

If Stafford is available I think it is possible. I don't know many GM"s that will give up what it takes to move to the top 3 for a one year starter. This risk is extremely high to start with, let alone giving up multiple first day picks.

its seems likely to happen with the cassel trade. we dont have a strong 'value' as far as personel goes at 3 and some fool and his pick will be quickly parted.

I'm not saying you're not correct, but this post just depresses the hell out of me.

But this is what happens when you change regimes.

When you bring in a new GM and new coaching staff things are going to change. It's gonna be a totally different attitude and philosophy. Schemes are gonna change too. It's just the nature how things work in the NFL. Question is, Can you accept the change? I know I can. Either way, with our previous regime, we sucked completely at running a zone defense anyway.

If you suck at that, might as well change it up? It moakes no difference to me. What do we got to lose?

And I'll say it from now until April 25th:

Do not for one minute think you know the mind of Pioli; you don't.

Potentially burning Flowers and Dorsey would be just moronic. We don't know about the latter, but Flowers sure showed a lot of flashes last season. A lot.

If Stafford is available after trading for Cassell that's a reason to go out to arrowhead and set peoples cars on fire.

I think Curry is a Stud. He will be a 100 plus tackle guy, but not alot of pash rush. I compare him to Derrick Brooks. He can cover well, too. I definitely think we need someone better for NT, I dont think Tank, Turk or Dorsey can do it. Boone is big enough, but if we want to be a top ten defense we need someone more proven in there. Rogers wants out of Cleveland, wouldnt he be a great fit in KC?

I'm not talking about Corner blitzes.

I'm talking about being able to man up and play bump and run. He did it some in college, but he also got burned alot when he did. They never used him that way here, so there's some question there.

Don't get me wrong, I love the kid. I was just using him as another example why moving to a straight 3-4 with this many young players isn't what I would do.

The Cassel move is probably going to be the defining moment in Pioli's time in KC.

I'm literally going to vomit on draft day if we would have had our pick of QB's.

:clap:

Derrick Brooks was an OLB in a 4-3.

just run the corners in a soft cover and let the SS play the line and the FS play cover 1.o:-)

Flowers ain't goin' ANYWHERE.

Bank It!

If that happens this shit better workout or I'm gonna blow my lid.

And by workout, I mean, and I'm sure you do too, that Cassel better be more than Green v.2.

Ahem...

I really don't even care anymore. This is a shitty year to draft #3. I wanted Stafford and would settle for Sanchez but it doesn't matter now because we traded for Cassel who hopefully isn't a one year wonder(odds are he is though). We drafted a LT last year and don't need another, Crabtree isn't a top WR most years, and LB'ers just aren't worth a top three pick. The best possible thing we can do is trade down but I doubt that happens. Personally I feel Haley drafts Crabtree though, if not he gets another LT and moved Albert to OG to help keep Cassel up-right. Curry I think would be the last option, I feel sorry for the Chiefs if Pioli is such a bad drafter he can't find LB's outside of the top 3.

I'd rather see the Chiefs draft Maclin than Crabtree at #3. This would not be a smart move, but it would be better than selecting Crabtree, IMO.

I think were gonna trade down. We've got Scott Pioli and It's just the New England way of doing things.

A ****in' men. Crabtree does not jazz me in the slightest anymore. We need a burner, his foot is jacked, and will it ever be the same?

Is he worth 3rd overall salary? **** no.

I am going to be shocked if there's a team that wants to trade up to #3 this year.

only two I can think of are LT and Derrick.

Neither is Maclin, though. I like him better than Ginn, but not nearly enough for #3. It would not be a "smart" selection.

Page isn't a perfect safety, but what about the 3-4 hurts him?

did you feel that way after this weekends trade?

Nobody is worth the three to us now.

I really think Its between Crabtree or a LT for the Chiefs.