What part of this do you not get?

How did Johnson GET those 3 rings?

They were a direct result of the decision in question.

Pioli's rings have nothing to do with the Kansas City Chiefs.

In retrospect, we know that Johnson's decision was a good one, therefore it is stupid to criticize him.

It's not the same as claiming Scott Pioli can do no wrong because he has 3 rings to his name, that he earned with a different ****ing team.

But whatever, suit yourself. I really don't give a shit, other than the fact that there have been 7 selections, but 70+ posts whining about Hamas' ****ing pick.

Then I 100% expect Hamas to draft for a 4-3 defense, since, you know, he simply gets to off the ownership of the team and build things his way.

If he's healthy, he'll have a leg up on the rest.

I think it was Alvin Harper they got with that pick.

Has anyone from the Chiefs said what scheme they are running?

Haley dodged the question again today.

What would you guys have done if the mock started Friday?

Who would you be looking to pile on then?

I doubt Eric Decosta calls up Billy Devaney and rakes him over the coals for decisions he's made.

Let it go, and have some fun.

No, his SB rings were most definitely not a result of picking Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft and giving up his 1st round pick.

The Cowboys ended up giving up a #1 pick for three picks from the Saints, and the 1st rounder from that deal was used on Russell Maryland. However, Johnson admitted a few years later that the Walsh move was a mistake because they had to give up the 1st, and the top player on their board that year was Junior Seau.

So they could have had Junior Seau if they never made the bone-headed decision to take Walsh with a supp pick after already using a top pick on Aikman, but you seriously want to point to that move as the reason he has 3 rings. Yikes.

Of course they don't, I never said they did. However, you have criticized Pioli's draft record, despite the fact that his 3 SB rings are - using your words - a direct result of his drafting. You have a circular argument here that doesn't work.

Odd, Johnson has said himself it was a poor move and most Cowboys fans consider it the worst move he ever made. Plus the value he received out of those picks do not come close to equaling the value of the #1 overall pick he gave up.

But you say it's a good one. Hmmm.

I could give a shit who he picks in a fantasy mock draft, but I'm certainly going to point out major inaccuracies in your examples used to defend it.

That's ballsy. I love the pick.

First off I'd like to give Hamas and Spicy a big 4321 for screwing up my top 2 options. :evil:

After much cussing and desperation this club has decided to roll the dice and take a player I have pissed on since day one of draft talk.

The Jacksonville Jaguars select,

Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech

Nice, I was wondering when he would go off the board.

That was a solid pick.

So milkman is up, what guard is going now? :)

Big Duke?:)

We'll probably hit a short lull in the action here, as Milk routinely works long hours with no computer access.

Great job getting 8 picks in less than 4 hours.

I think we went 7 picks in the first 7 hours last year.

If the draft fell this way, I wouldn't be surprised to see Green Bay pick Raji here, since they are also switching to the 3-4.

Oh, and I have class tonight from 6:30-10, so nothing will get updated during that time unless Mecca chooses to step in.

Packers, with the 9th selection in the 2009 draft select Duke Robin.........



Ur...uh...., I mean BJ Raji, NT, Boston College.

Packers are transitioning to a 34 defense, and Raji will be the big ugly in the middle ancchoring the D.

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Damn...I wasn't expecting you to be in with your pick so fast. And then you go and draft the guy that I wanted.

This mock is a perfect example of a potential trade. I think the first two picks go QB, OT. There are 2 elite OT's in this draft, and the Seahawks are likely to take the second now that Crabtree isn't going to run. Cincy at 6 is desperate for a tackle and would be tempted to trade up. Or the Jags. Taking a player like Raji or Brown would be solid there.

Same goes for the QB's.

Say the first two picks are OT's.

If someone is looking for a specific QB, they are going to have to jump Seattle.

I think Seattle would take Stafford to replace Hasselbeck in 2010 before they took an OT.

If Stafford is on the board we could be getting a 1st plus someone's 1st next year.

That'd be our best chance.

I'm thinking the same thing.

Well, I'm HOPING the same thing...

Vikings or Bucs?

I don't see anyone moving THAT far.

Maybe the Niners.

Hmm....maybe. I wouldn't rule out the Vikings or Bucs doing something stupid.

That would be REALLY stupid.

We're talking at least a R1 and R2 in 2009 with a R1 in 2010.

Even then, we're not getting anywhere near the value we deserve for that pick to fall 15 or so spots.

This will make me seem like a total tool, but I *am* having fun. Arguing is fun for me. One of the reasons I live in the DC forum. Mock drafts like this are tailor made for my personality.

Going QB-QB is shit. Bad pick. It's almost as bad as going OG-OG like milkman did last year, but instead doing it with the #3 and #34 picks, which IS as bad.

Hamas should kill himself for being a dumbass.

The 49ers need help at many positions.

They would love to correct the error of selecting Alex Smith #1 overall, but both top QBs are already off the board.

Help at DE, LB and CB is needed. They already have Patrick Willis and Takeo Spikes (although aging) in the middle and Manny Lawson as one of their outside rush backers. They need a rush backer on the opposite side. They also must address the CB position.

Brian Orakpo is available to fill in at the rush backer spot and he could also play some downs/packages at DE. Mike Jenkins can be their franchise CB of the future, but there are questions about his speed and some project him more as a safety in the NFL.

With the 10th pick of the 2009 CP Mock Draft, the San Francisco 49ers select Brian Orakpo, DE/OLB, Texas.

I thought drafting guards with your first two picks was the craziest thing.

Except that the milkman was right.

Branden Albert was a tackle.

My route brings me within a block of my house on Mondays and Thursdays, and I stop in to grab a bite to eat and take a power nap.

Today I checked the board to see where this mock draft was at and found my selection was on the clock, so jumped in to make it.

That was a truly insightful post.

JOE FLACCO FTW!!!!1!!!!

Hey Mecca get your ass in here and pick for the Bills.:)

That's what I'm waiting for.

MECCA!!!!! GET THE **** UP!!!

Has everyone been sending PMs to the next teams GM?

I just sent Mecca a PM.

Well seeing as the pass rusher I would have taken got taken excessively high in this mock..now I have to alter what the Bills will do and say their pick is..

Rey Maualuga LB Southern Cal.

Holy shit, guys.

We CAN slow down, you know.

At this rate, we'll be done in about 11 days.

:D

I'm off to bed, y'all.

I have an exam in the AM. Gotta get some sleep.

I'll update the board in the morning before class if there are any picks made tonight, and they'll be a lull in updates tomorrow from about 9-2.

Well.....the Bills just made this pick an easy one for the Broncos. I was going to take Maualuga to play inside in the Broncos 3-4 scheme but he's gone. Orakpo went at 10 and this is too high for Maybin to be my OLB. So I'll go with the next best thing.

Tyson Jackson, DE, Louisiana State University

With Jon Jansen and Chris Samuels nearing the end of their careers and the average age of the offensive line being 33 years old, the Washington Redskins look to the future and select

Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi

Great first day everyone! A special thanks to the top 4 teams for letting the top player on my board drop to me.

I have just scored a huge value pick, a player that I thought was an outside shot of a top 5 pick before the Combine, and has definitively been a top ten pick not just this year, but last year as well, for a position of extreme need on this hurting Saints D.

Jenkins projects. He projects as a bigger corner who can play with the possession types. He projects as a corner who can keep up with all but the speediest of speed demons. He even projects as a safety, making him one of the safest picks in the entire Draft. He's played at an elite level with an elite program whose prospects pan out far more often than they don't, Gholston be damned. And I NEVER let a poor Combine affect how I have felt about this player for two years.

The Saints get the stud they want. Vontae Davis was also an option here, but I think Jenkins is the safer pick for a team looking to get good on defense, and quick.

With the 14th pick in the NFL Draft, the New Orleans Saints select CB Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio State.

The Texans are on the clock.

The Texans need to upgrade their talent on the defensive side of the ball. It was down to Vontae Davis or the current selection. Davis is a physical specimen, but raw. Texans are playing it safe with this one.

With the 15th pick in the NFL Draft, the Houston Texans select OLB Brian Cushing, USC.

The San Diego Super Chargers are on the clock.

Direction got a steal IMO with Jenkins and Texans got a solid football player with Cushing. Like the last two picks.

The Chargers select Andre Smith OT Alabama

Don't believe the silly season hype - the game tape don't lie. I think SD would be thrilled if this really happens in April.

Agreed, he'd be great on the right side and that's exactly what SD needs. Agree with CC on the last couple too. Jenkins is perfect for NO and they'd be ecstatic to get him. The texans would probably like to add a pass rusher but can't be disappointed in Cushing.

I debated hard about Smith for the Bengals. When you watch him he is great, but for them with all the off field issues they have had with players it would be a tough pill to swallow IMO. Steal for the Chargers, the rich keep getting richer.

I am liking these middle round picks better than the top 5, especially for the situation the Chiefs are in now.

D, For what it's worth Jenkins was my pick @ 5 if Curry was gone.

The Jets select Darrius Heyward-Bey WR, Maryland

The Bears select Aaron Maybin-DE-Penn State

This is a very big need for the Bears and Maybin fits the bill.

Hamas and the Bucs are on the board.
My Top 5 BPAs
Freeman
Davis
Bomar
Parker
Cantwell

:):):):):)

I contemplated taking Smith as well, but in the end, there's way too many red flags to throw that kind of money at somebody who has already flaked out. Oher was the safer pick.

Mother****er.

Jenkins would have been gone at #10 if Orakpo wasn't available.

Rock and a hard place. I'm not a big fan of taking running backs with really high selections. The Bucs just signed Derrick Ward, so they don't have a gaping hole at running back any more. A tandem of Ward and Graham could be serviceable, as you can't count on a broken down Cadillac for anything.

The Bucs have glaring needs at QB, DT, OLB, and WR

Obviously Tampa needs a quarterback. They tried to make a deal for Cutler, but that fell through. Josh Freeman is a great specimen in shorts and a T-shirt, but I've seen him play in the Big XII, and I'm not exactly thrilled.

Larry English is a possibility at end, but he reminds me too much of Tamba Hali.

Percy Harvin would be a good compliment to Antonio Bryant, but he comes from a spread offense, is on the small side, and has durability concerns.

Louis Delmas doesn't really fit the mold of a Cover 2 safety.

Peria Jerry is going to be a 25 year old rookie, he has major injury and intelligence issues, and he has the Sims/Peppers question given the presence of Greg Hardy on his college line.

Vontae Davis is another intriguing possibility, but he was less than impressive at the Combine, which is shocking given that was supposed to be the area where he would excel, given his lack of solid intangibles. There are a lot of Cover 2 corners that could be had later in the draft

In the end, I'm going to take the guy who I think is Larry Johnson without character problems.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers select Chris "Beanie" Wells, RB, The Ohio State University

I like Malcolm Jenkins but not as a CB.

Damn, where are all the picks today?

Waiting on OTW to get out of class.

I wonder if OTW will channel his inner Millen and take a WR?

Cool, thanks. That's a cool yellow submarine picture.

It's in tribute to all of the "meanies" running around on CP. :)

The Lions badly need O Linemen (well, actually everything). Are there any good tackles available here?

He could go with Ebon Britton out of Arizona. I'm not too sure if he's worth a mid first rounder though.

Thanks. OTW has it pretty easy, though, as you can take BPA at any position here and upgrade the Lions. :)

Well his pick will decide my pick for the Eagles.

The Lions were hoping to have Oher or Smith fall to them at 20, but they are still in a great spot to get the BPA, and it also be at a position of need.

Yeah, he didn't have the best combine, but the Lions are no longer basing their opinions on what a guy does in a t-shirt and shorts in February. This kid has the perfect combination of size and speed, and will be a great addition to the Lions defensive backfield.

With the 20th pick, the Lions select:

Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois

Go **** yourself.

The Eagles would have liked to have had "Beanie" Wells fall to them at this spot but it didn't happen. I could go with an OT but I don't think that there is one right now worth the 21st selection. Brian Westbrook is almost 30 and we all know what the means to RBs. He's now injury prone and doesn't last an entire season. So with the 21st pick in the 1st round, the Philadelphia Eagles select:

Knowshon Moreno, RB, University of Georgia.

GODDAMMIT.

Bill Belichick says GFY.

:D

The CP Mock Draft isn't fun unless you can piss another team off. :thumb:

Or in my case, damn near everyone who read the thread.

Waaaah! You're mean. :harumph:

Listen, as long as you go RB for the Chiefs in the 3rd round all is forgiven.

I WIN THE MOCK

What is he complaining about? You guys got Moroney AND Fred Taylor.

So, one old POS and one young POS.

Fred Taylor doesn't solve anything at the RB position. He's just another guy, just like every other RB on the roster.