The first part of your post is correct. How may times in the past ten years have we heard that if this was any market outside of KC Carl would be hung out to dry. Now it is wrong because the KC media and/or fans may ask a question?
Come on DCS you are better than that post.

Safeest in that he (Cassel) has already shown that he can play in the NFL, and showed improvement from his first game to his last.

And I highly doubt that he will be held to a higher standard with Cassel because of the very fact that, unlike Sanchez and Stafford, he has done it in the NFL.

If anything, he will be excused because he went the safe route.

I think they hope, as do I, that he can be here and play well for ten years.

Thanks Mr. Keitzman.

I was very glad when we traded for Cassel, because I wasn't that thrilled with the prospect of the QBs in this draft. The next "safe" move would be to draft Curry, and unless we move down, I hope we do.

Isn't that more Belicheck rather than Carl Peterson? But no doubt, if Carl had pulled that at any time after the "5 year plan" expired... he'd be crushed.

I'm sorry, but as much as I was opposed to the Cassel trade, I hope, as Messier does, that Cassel gives us ten years+ of top tier QB play.

He's ours, for better or worse, so hoping for anything less would just be stupid.

You're wecome Mr. Whitlock

Thank You. I was just about to post, does he actually hope Cassel doesn't last?

I was pissed, because I think Sanchez has "it", and will be an outstanding NFL QB for the next 15 years, after his one season of learning from the sidelines.

if he wrote this about the real media, and not just the sports media, i could agree. how in the hell did he get from trying to rebuild a football franchise to the iraq war? sorry, if it doesn't work out pioli isn't responsible for the deaths of thousands of our soldiers. this is pure garbage.

Jwitt needs to find another job.

I disagree. If we give up the 34th pick and make Cassel one of the highest paid players in the league (which I'm assuming we'll do), Pioli is placing a big bet here. If Cassel doesn't perform at a Pro Bowl level, Pioli's reputation is going to take a huge hit. Pioli didn't trade for Cassel because he was the safe choice, he traded for him because he thought he was the best choice. Not saying he is right or wrong, but there is nothing safe about in my opinon.

Now had he gone the rookie route, there is the incubation period for rookie QBs, plus the built-in excuse that there are quite a few 1st round QB flops. There is very little pressure on Pioli in that scenario for at least two years. By acquiring Cassel, the pressure is on he and Pioli to perform well from day one.

By the way, I did miss that.

And where ever it comes from, it's crazy as hell to lie to the media in a situation like that. It's definately not a good start. I suspect media relations and privacy are going to be a whole new world.

I don't think it reflects on the football stuff though. His mere hiring earns him a full year or two of "wait and see" freedom.

And as such, I'll defend the need to "wait and see".

While I think that stunt is outright stuipd, it doesn't impact my faith in Pioli's football abilities. They are completely different things.

That he's acting like BB (even the bad parts) is a good thing in my mind. Until proven otherwise, I'll wait and see on the football side.

So Scott acts because that is the way BB did it? However I agree with you.

I said "they should open up the door a little more". What are you disagreeing with exactly?

I disagree.
Cassel is his free pass.

He went out and traded for the hot commodity, the NFL proven commodity.
If he turns out to be a one year wonder, then how was Pioli supposed to know that?

If he drafts a QB, and that QB busts, then they question why he drafted that QB when he could have taken a safer position.

I agree, don't like the move but hopefully he delivers us a Super Bowl.

And that's exactly why I believe Cassel is Pioli's hedged bet.

I mean, let's be realistic here; Croyle, Martin, and Gray are going to be a part of this roster? Hell, Thigpen might end up traded or on the waiver wire. I'd LIKE to think that my new Head Coach has an eye for seeing true talent Vs. "fill the roster", yes?

We'll see. That's all I can ultimately say.

Is it possible for this board to expunge the term "safe" when talking about a ****ing draft pick?

Who is going to give Pioli a free pass with Cassel?

You've somehow got it in your head that Pioli isn't his own man, and that he was just a BB yes man. I don't know how everything was run in NE, but I'm gonna go ahead and guess that you don't either. I'll go with the general opinion of the NFL community that Pioli is a great football man, and was one of, if not the best candidate to be promoted to GM.

Steve Puellar, Steve Bono, Scott Mitchell, Jeff Hosterler etc... all good NFL back up QB's on good teams who went to other teams as the starter. A NFL hot commodity is nothing more than the flavor of the day. John Elway, Dan Marino, Phil Simms, Peyton Manning etc. were not traded for as back ups. Only Eli was acquired in a trade and I don't think the Chiefs have the #1 pick this year.

Pioli is doing the same thing Carl did. However; now it's the right way to build a team.

exactly :clap:

Once again...20 Years ago CP was the hottest GM candidate in the NFL. Three teams including the Chiefs were pursuing him. What is different today? Carl had a history of success...Scott has a history of success. Please I just want the freedom to question someone. That is what makes boards fun.

I keep hearing "He's the guy"! "He's the guy"! "That's it, and there ain't no more"!

Yet here we sit one week from the announcement, and where is the word on this guy's 4 or more-year deal? We won't get the $$$ count, but we'll know how long he's signed for. Where is it?

And you can bet your ass if his final contract is for 3 or LESS years, his status as "The Man" is absolutely in question.

I agree with what you say...other than equating Carl's success to Pioli's. Carl has no rings. The problem is that the way Whitlock presented it was so transparently selfish that it should never have been put in the paper. People wonder why subscriptions to newspapers go down and blame the economy when the real reason is that the quality of journalism (save JoPo and a few others) is ridiculous.

Whitlock writes with an agenda to try and create stories. He wants to be the one who brings down Scott the Legend. The problem is that Pioli's first off season isn't even close to being done yet...so to start calling it into question before the body of work is even complete is premature. The Cassel trade can't be evaluated until the team is brought together.

But I do agree that discussing the moves is fun.

The difference between Scott Pioli and Carl Peterson is the difference between Stephen Hawking and an old lady who spends her afternoons driving around in her Ford Fairlane looking for box turtles to run over.

The only thing these two guys have in common is they have both held the title of GM for the Chiefs. That's it.

FAX

LMAO

Guy's got a way with words.

...Having failed in sports-talk radio, I’m aware the discipline requires a dramatic and healthy loosening of journalistic standards, like making innuendos at the chicks I worked with/hit on. But basic common sense and backbone are allowed and occasionally encouraged when hosting a radio show, but see the crap I put up on now on msn.com.

Supporting the new regime does not equate to rejecting the primary (and redeeming) role of the media, and bitching about the fact that I'm unimportant in this town is what I really do best.

It’s our job to acquire information and pass it along to you. Based on what we’ve seen from the Bill Belichick era in New England and our first two months with Pioli, gathering pertinent and enlightening information about the Chiefs is going to be rather difficult. Because there's nothing really to report, we like making up junk so there has to be a press release to deny what we make up.

But overall, we attempt to be a watchdog of those with power, and act like junkyard dogs when we just want to watch the game for free, and bitch at the teams for whatever reason we see fit.

Jerk-Lock

Hey FAX where were you 20 years ago? If you were even born then you thought Carl was that savior. Now you want to change your mind, or admit that you don't know/remember the last time this happened. Let us question the way a team is run without blind followers.

With the exception of Jeff Hostetler I don't think any of the others started a full season before they went to their new team, and none of those QBs was being pursued by people that were involved with the franchise they came from. Cassel was wanted by Pioli and Josh McDaniels. If there are two people that know what they're getting it's these two. If there is a comparison I'd say Trent Green or Matt Hasselbeck,QB's that were wanted and pursued by people who knew them.

20 years ago ... 20 years ago ... let's see ... oh, yeah - 20 years ago I was in the Amazon helping indigenous tribespeeps overcome their poverty by building a factory to make exportable little dolls out of alligator belly skin and piranha teeth. It would have worked, too, had we not kept losing our best workers in raw materials acquisition.

Anyway, I think I know what you're saying Mr. Mojo Jojo, and I subscribe to the concept of healthy skepticism. Certainly Pioli isn't perfect and he'll make mistakes. My point is simply this; we Chiefs fans have a very poor standard with which to measure Pioli. That's what makes Whittle's article so silly.

Carl Peterson kept his job - not due to the quality of his work product or outcomes - but because of the loyalty of a great man. To sit around and compare Pioli (who has three SBs to his credit already) to Peterson is absurd. That's all I'm saying.

FAX

And box turtles.

I am with you...FYI Carl did win a NFC Championship ring as well as two USFL rings and that is three more rings than any poster on this board will ever win in pro football.

:rolleyes:

Huh?

I won three spider rings at Chuck E Cheese a couple of weeks ago.

So you are saying it takes nothing to win a ring. Thanks, and I'm sure Scott agrees.

LMAO I wonder how many tickets it takes to get the USFL ring?

More than you will ever see.

It sure as hell takes nothing but the worst kind of apathy to be the last 5 years of Carl ****ing Peckerson, and you can carve that on a stone tablet, put it Moses waiting hands, and send his old ass right on down the mountain with it!

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/n...7293_21gif.jpg

Chuck E Cheese Spider Ring = 10 tickets

2 USFL Rings = 2 shits

3 NFL Rings = Priceless

Hey CaliforniaChief....
How many rings...pro football or other sports...have you won? Be a man and bring it on.

I know you are but what am I?

Wow...welcome to the 4th grade.

Hey! Those Oklahoma Outlaws were the second coming of the Iron Curtain I tell's 'ya!!!

LMAO

I only suggest this because I've had issues with mine...but you might wanna check the fluids on your sarcasm meter.

Never won a championship...and come on DCS...I said this before...you are better than this.

True that...Kinda makes me mad that we didn't trade our 2nd round pick for the rights to acquire Doug Williams and Efren Herrera. Our kicking problems would be solved for the next 10 years.

Dude..question is... How many rings/watches ect. have you won? Please tell us all. Then you and I can get together and compare bling. Until then STFU!!!!

Yet Jim Kelly and Reggie White came from the USFL....I'm sure neither one will make an impact in the NFL.

:doh!:

Are you implying you play sports professionally, or are you in fact CP trolling CP?

Yes, you've exposed me. I'm ruined. I haven't climbed the heights of USFL glory and have never managed to hoodwink an organization for 20 years on a busted 5 year plan. I never hired Herm Edwards to be a head coach, never found such gems as Junior Siavii, Ryan Sims, or Elvis Grbac. I've never been Bob Gretz' dominatrix nor have I shared my feelings with Jason Whitlock.

But it's my inability to be successful as a USFL General Manager that I will die regretting.

No...I have never played sports professionally...last time I checked Pioli and Peterson didn't either, but being a part of a championship team is more than playing...see Scott Pioli.

One again...what bling have you ever won?

So you're actually Carl Peterson?

ROFL ZING!

No I'm not, but I could be Scott Pioli.

I don't think Scott Pioli's ever heard of the USFL.

So when should I book Twitlock to come grill you for an hour or two regarding your every move?

Ska-duum-BA! LMAO

Scott Pioli is a genius, I tell you. He registered on Chiefsplanet three full years before he would be an employee of the Chiefs. Genius!

Come on and bring it...what have you ever won? This was about being able to question what an organization does.

LMAO

Once he's done meeting with Brian Waters?

Claython...I know your boss...I exposed him sleeping through a Chiefs press conference...BTW I do have it on tape. Wow everyone was laughing, but he is the guy that would hire you...nuff said.

You have no idea what it would take to be employed by a NFL team.

Which is amusing considering I've done work for the Chiefs in the past.

You keep tapes of Nick Athan in your personal library? http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/images/smilies/headshake.gif

LMAO We'll be here ALL WEEK ladies and gentlemen!

How was Pioli supposed to know that? Pioli should have a better read on Cassel than anybody. He drafted Cassel. He's been watching Cassel for the last few years when nobody outside of New England ever saw the guy throw a pass. And, like everyone else, he watched him up-close this past year when Cassel took over as the starter.

Compare what Pioli knows about Cassel to what he knows of Stafford or Sanchez. With Cassel, Pioli has years of evaluation, both in terms of college scouting and "is this guy going to make our roster?". With Stafford and Sanchez, he has one year of evaluaton at best. With Cassel, Pioli has 16 games of tape of Cassel against actual NFL defenses. With Stafford and Sanchez, he has zero.

If Cassel ends up a one-year wonder, it's a far more damning indictment of Pioli's ability to evaluate talent than if he'd drafted a QB at #3 and whiffed on the pick. And that will especially be true if one or both of the QBs available at #3 turn out to be good players, because Pioli would have written them off in favor of Cassel.

The only way Cassel is the "safer" pick is because he's proven he can do it in the pros, while rookies obviously haven't. But Cassel is still a risk because he's hardly a time-tested veteran (which is why this isn't a "Carl move" to the guy who keeps saying otherwise). It just so happens that he's "safer" than playing an actual rookie.

But in terms of Pioli's reputation, he stands to take a far greater hit if Cassel is a bust than if he'd drafted a QB #3 and that guy was a bust.

Oh dear God, it's Teicher; RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNN!!!!!!ROFL

Ka-BOOM! Rep!

Clayton...I have done a lot of work with the Chiefs in the past....you are in the same class as Nick. Bob, Pete and Brad have done a lot of work with me. I also did a lot of work with Patrick before he left for Wisconson. I will put my work with NFL, MLB and NBA against you any day. FYI not to rub it in, but I've also had sex.

We'd better stop. I don't wanna get called into Goodell's office. That would destroy my reputation and crush my dreams of ever rekindling the magic of USFL glory. I've got big plans for Casey Printers.

LMAO:LOL:LMAO:LOL:LMAOLMAO WINNER.

Wait a minute! It's PetroDouche; KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!

ROFL

That's great. You want a ****ing Pulitzer? ROFL

Claython...people myself included like your work, but you do need to grow up. I've done more than your will ever dream, so please take it for what it is worth. FYI Nick is the laughing stock of One Arrowhead Drive, or the new address when they can make it official. Bob Moore laughs and laughs about what Nick will do for a story.

Since we're taking stabs in the dark here:

If you happen to be Bob Gretz, please go enema yourself with a claw hammer.