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Sweet Daddy Hate 03-19-2009 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5596086)
God, just stop debating with Jason, people. He's reeruned. He'll respond to this post with another reeruned post of his own.

It's like beating your head against a brick wall. A reeruned brick wall. Made from reeruned bricks.

ROFL

Damnit, Sauto! Yeeeuuuuuuw fetch-a sake now! Chop Chop!

( no hate here Sauto, I would have laughed at that reference regardless of who it was directed at )

SenselessChiefsFan 03-20-2009 07:22 AM

Okay, where to start.

#1) If you are going to act like you are a journalist, do some research. Subscribe to the archives of newspapers if necessary so you can go back and look at what the reaction was.

#2) DV hired GR because he knew the division, and DV had known him for 20 years.

#3) GR's schemes were based on outsmarting an opponent more than just solid defense. They wanted you to make a mistake. Remember, GR and DV used to say that a sack also means that you can't intercept the ball. GR was constantly in bend but don't break mode and force them into a mistake. When he first started in Denver, he had a novel approach. The league catches on to schemes. You can be a genius for a year or two, but the league catches up quickly.

Remember, the Chiefs players saying that GR treats football like Chess, but it is really more like checkers?

But, GR's schemes weren't his biggest problem. The players lost faith in him. And, the capper, the final straw was that at one point in the Indy game, right after Manning had completed a third down pass..... The players looked to him on the sidelines and he just shrugged. He didn't have an answer. The players look to the coaches for answers. You have to at least PRETEND to have one. When you are sitting there, clueless on the sideline just shrugging your shoulders as if you have already lost the game.... there is no coming back from that.

htismaqe 03-20-2009 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5596750)
#2) DV hired GR because he knew the division, and DV had known him for 20 years.

Two words. UCLA.

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5596750)
#3) GR's schemes were based on outsmarting an opponent more than just solid defense. They wanted you to make a mistake. Remember, GR and DV used to say that a sack also means that you can't intercept the ball. GR was constantly in bend but don't break mode and force them into a mistake. When he first started in Denver, he had a novel approach. The league catches on to schemes. You can be a genius for a year or two, but the league catches up quickly.

Yep. GRob was a staunch proponent of the "bend but don't break" defense. The idea is that a 15-play drive is nearly impossible without making a back-breaking mistake. To be honest, when implemented correctly, it does work. Unfortunately for DV and GRob, their defense never had to contend with long drives because they gave up an historic number of big plays.

htismaqe 03-20-2009 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5596078)
The Chiefs have shitty players and shitty coaches....not to mention several of those Cardinal players have been to pro bowls and all pros.

There's not NEARLY the amount of talent on that Cardinals defense that you contend there is. They're light years ahead of the Chiefs, for sure, but they're not even close to Top 10 in terms of talent.

Chief Faithful 03-20-2009 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5595571)
Personally I think he might be worse. The Cardinals were MUCH more talented on defense than the 01-05 Chiefs.

And people might want to use Arizona's offense as an excuse (a lot of times you'll find bad defenses and great offenses go hand in hand, just because other teams are trying to keep up), but even when Arizona's offense was PEDESTRIAN, Pendergast's defense were getting destroyed.

As a Chiefs fan I refuse to believe he is worse. It would be too much torment to allow myself to believe he is worse. So I'm covering my ears and I'm going to enjoy the games. Once Pendergast is fired I will allow myself to feel the hate.

Hammock Parties 03-20-2009 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful (Post 5597154)
As a Chiefs fan I refuse to believe he is worse. It would be too much torment to allow myself to believe he is worse. So I'm covering my ears and I'm going to enjoy the games. Once Pendergast is fired I will allow myself to feel the hate.

The Cardinals never had a good enough defense to go 9-0...

GROB did.

beach tribe 03-20-2009 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 5596750)



Remember, the Chiefs players saying that GR treats football like Chess, but it is really more like checkers?

Actually that's what LJ said about the Offensive play calling during the Herm Edwards era, but whatever.

Mecca 03-20-2009 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5597153)
There's not NEARLY the amount of talent on that Cardinals defense that you contend there is. They're light years ahead of the Chiefs, for sure, but they're not even close to Top 10 in terms of talent.

They shouldn't be ranking 26th in defense is my point, not that they're awesome.

Hammock Parties 03-20-2009 03:08 PM

I'd say they had at least as much talent as 06/07 Chiefs.

htismaqe 03-20-2009 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5598067)
They shouldn't be ranking 26th in defense is my point, not that they're awesome.

How much of that was the coordinator? How much of it was something else? There's so many variables to include that bitching about Pendergast at this point just doesn't make much sense.

beach tribe 03-20-2009 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5598077)
How much of that was the coordinator? How much of it was something else? There's so many variables to include that bitching about Pendergast at this point just doesn't make much sense.

He's our DC, and there's nothing that can be done about it. Might as well get over it, and see how he does. I'm not too happy about it. It's actually the only move this off-season I'm irked with, but we're just gonna have to give the guy a chance, and see what happens.

Mecca 03-20-2009 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5598077)
How much of that was the coordinator? How much of it was something else? There's so many variables to include that bitching about Pendergast at this point just doesn't make much sense.

Generally when it happens several years in a row when they go out of their way to give him more players, I'm gonna look at the DC.

htismaqe 03-20-2009 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5598088)
Generally when it happens several years in a row when they go out of their way to give him more players, I'm gonna look at the DC.

How much of it was the head coach? Who were the position coaches?

Again, the primary reason you're going to look at the DC is because YOU WANT TO.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-20-2009 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5598102)
How much of it was the head coach? Who were the position coaches?

Again, the primary reason you're going to look at the DC is because YOU WANT WIN.

FYP.:D

htismaqe 03-20-2009 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5598117)
FYP.:D

I know, I know.

I always tend to wait for people to prove they can't win before I label them as such.

It's a character flaw. :)

keg in kc 03-20-2009 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5598150)
I know, I know.

I always tend to wait for people to prove they can't win before I label them as such.

It's a character flaw.

You mean you can't see the future?

What the **** are you doing on the internet, troglodyte.

htismaqe 03-20-2009 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5598159)
You mean you can't see the future?

What the **** are you doing on the internet, troglodyte.

I prefer Neanderthal.

keg in kc 03-20-2009 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5598163)
I prefer Neanderthal.

Who am I to judge one's sexual preferences.

rad 03-20-2009 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5595764)
Not really. I'm pretty much the shiznit around here. Especially compared to you. Twerp.

Thanks for the new sig.




Bitch.

:)

Hammock Parties 03-20-2009 04:15 PM

Proclaim my greatness. I'll lick my balls on this forum if I wanna. I'm the Ball-Licking King of the Jungle around here.

rad 03-20-2009 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5596219)
There are guys who simply don't have the physical skill set. Hali, Pollard, and Page, to start the list.

About the only player I'll listen to any argument about is DJ. And he's been in the league long enough that he is what he'll ever be. It's over. He's sub-par to average.

I don't get to see the games, so I don't know.....is DJ's skill set more suited to a read and react type of defense?

Hammock Parties 03-20-2009 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rad (Post 5598264)
I don't get to see the games, so I don't know.....is DJ's skill set more suited to a read and react type of defense?

No. He's never been a cerebral player.

rad 03-20-2009 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5598263)
Proclaim my greatness. I'll lick my balls on this forum if I wanna. I'm the Ball-Licking King of the Jungle around here.

I know.

Pretty sweet, huh? You can't imagine how much pussy I get because of my avvy.

rad 03-20-2009 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5598266)
No. He's never been a cerebral player.

So he's soft and dumb. Awesome.

Hammock Parties 03-20-2009 04:23 PM

I don't think he's soft. But he's not exactly Ray Lewis.

He's never really been coached up enough IMO.

Halfcan 03-20-2009 04:23 PM

:clap:
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5594967)
That's a pathetic excuse for an article, even though the questions raised are legitimate.

yep

Hammock Parties 03-20-2009 04:26 PM

HEY LET'S BASH GOCHIEFS! HIGH FIVE EVERYONE!

SAUTO 03-20-2009 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5597153)
There's not NEARLY the amount of talent on that Cardinals defense that you contend there is. They're light years ahead of the Chiefs, for sure, but they're not even close to Top 10 in terms of talent.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5598077)
How much of that was the coordinator? How much of it was something else? There's so many variables to include that bitching about Pendergast at this point just doesn't make much sense.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5598102)
How much of it was the head coach? Who were the position coaches?

Again, the primary reason you're going to look at the DC is because YOU WANT TO.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5598150)
I know, I know.

I always tend to wait for people to prove they can't win before I label them as such.

It's a character flaw. :)

i'm glad someone feels the way i do about this, funny how when you say just about the same thing as me they choose not to call names.

keg in kc 03-20-2009 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5598368)
i'm glad someone feels the way i do about this, funny how when you say just about the same thing as me they choose not to call names.

We've tagged poor porker with every name in the book for years. Err, parker. I mean parker. *cough*

SenselessChiefsFan 03-20-2009 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 5598046)
Actually that's what LJ said about the Offensive play calling during the Herm Edwards era, but whatever.

Perhaps, but I believe Eric Hicks was the one who used the term first in 2004 when Gunther came back. I know it was said in 2004 when Gunther came back.

htismaqe 03-20-2009 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5598368)
i'm glad someone feels the way i do about this, funny how when you say just about the same thing as me they choose not to call names.

I was on Carl Peterson's payroll for almost 6 years, so I can handle it.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-20-2009 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5598526)
I was on Carl Peterson's payroll for almost 6 years, so I can handle it.

Really?

SAUTO 03-20-2009 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5598526)
I was on Carl Peterson's payroll for almost 6 years, so I can handle it.

oh i can handle it too, it's just funny how some bash people's opinions yet when someone with more posts says the same thing they dont get NEAR as belligerent

Red Dawg 03-20-2009 08:35 PM

Pioli has three rings. Dv had one. I think that this a stupid comparoson.

jAZ 03-23-2009 07:49 AM

I think it's a lot more justifiable to question Haley's hiring judgement than Pioli player evaluation judgement.

jAZ 03-23-2009 07:50 AM

That said, I think anyone who doesn't take a wait and see approach to all of it, it's either an emotionally abused fan or getting payed to stir up shit.

htismaqe 03-23-2009 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5598528)
Really?

It was a long-standing joke here, and on the Star BB before that.

I'm not a guy that will go full-blown negative without a reason (see Herm :cuss:) and I usually can't keep my mouth shut in the face of hyperbole and outright lies.

So anytime I wasn't willing to join the "fire Carl Peterson" circle jerk, I got accused of being an Apologist. That morphed into being "on the payroll" and myself and many others played it up for fun.

htismaqe 03-23-2009 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 5603374)
That said, I think anyone who doesn't take a wait and see approach to all of it, it's either an emotionally abused fan or getting payed to stir up shit.

This.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-23-2009 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5603438)
It was a long-standing joke here, and on the Star BB before that.

I'm not a guy that will go full-blown negative without a reason (see Herm :cuss:) and I usually can't keep my mouth shut in the face of hyperbole and outright lies.

So anytime I wasn't willing to join the "fire Carl Peterson" circle jerk, I got accused of being an Apologist. That morphed into being "on the payroll" and myself and many others played it up for fun.

Well, if Pioli fails, at least you've got THAT payroll to look forward to. :D

htismaqe 03-23-2009 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5603453)
Well, if Pioli fails, at least you've got THAT payroll to look forward to. :D

There's no room for patience or diligence on a board like this. Every discussion has to be highly-polarized - you're either violently for or violently against. Don't even try to occupy the middle ground... :D

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-23-2009 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5603499)
There's no room for patience or diligence on a board like this. Every discussion has to be highly-polarized - you're either violently for or violently against. Don't even try to occupy the middle ground... :D

Oh it can be done, and you tread it well. There's the way you do it, and the way Nosensical Chiefs Fan does it.

You don't draw much ire, so I'm going to call your method the winner.

htismaqe 03-23-2009 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan (Post 5603521)
Oh it can be done, and you tread it well. There's the way you do it, and the way Nosensical Chiefs Fan does it.

You don't draw much ire, so I'm going to call your method the winner.

Oh believe me, it used to draw ALOT of ire. But the way I do it now is different from the way I did it before I left.


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