Seemed like it was just his opinion to me.

And remember, in a Pioli front office, there are no sources. People end up at the bottom of lakes for that.

Used NFL Network to drum up a better offer? That Pioli devil!

That frustrates me. I think it's an insult to the fans and to the franchise.

I find it strange that we are bringing in veterans and he still wants to leave.

I thought he said in the off season it would depend on if they want to tear this thing down and start all over again then I would be open to go somewhere else.

Lombardi reported he was unhappy with the new regime.

He probably heard the same presser I did where Clark said we aren't trading Tony Gonzalez.

I don't think you get my point but I will argue Atlanta and KC were in similar positions after the 2007 season. We also had several fairly high picks sitting around who may not be on the team 2 years from now. Carl's crappy drafting and Clark waiting another year to blow things up are the difference between TG being relevant to KC's plans or trade bait.

That's depressing. Whoever we draft with a 2nd round pick will not likely add the value TG would to this team the next few years. Obviously after that different story.

BTW Atlanta was 11th in scoring defense and 24th in yards given up. Their offense (10th and 6th respectively)was the reason for the turnaround not the defense.

A second round pick for a player who has stated he will retire in one or two years!

Sounds good to me. How often did Haley's offense pass to the tight end anyway?

If we draft a starter that contributes to our future success it will just be more to like about Tony G when he's inducted into the hall.

TG must just be pissed that we cut Will Franklin, obviously.

It appears Tony Gonzalez isn't the kind of veteran leadership this regime wants.

ROFL

Is it too early for a: Brain W has cleaned out his shorts, thread?

We all need to credit Carl for not caving in for a mere 3rd if this happens. ROFL

This will, by the way, means we traded Tony away to the NFL for Cassel and Vrabel, and a 20-pick drop.

That's not too bad, all things considered.

Let's wait and see.

Gonzo in ATL would be huge with that young offense...

If KC gets their R2 (pick 23)... there might be a 7th thrown in or something like that, but I couldn't imagine them giving up much more. Tony is 33 and entering his 13th season...

Still solid, but the R2 should suffice.

I think the R2 is overpaying, personally.

Seeing how The Pats have done well with TEs. Cottam, and a Draft pick....

Still would have liked to see him go out a Chief.

Yeah, why make our team better two or three years down the road when we can hold onto a player for sentimental reasons?

I think it's the RIGHT thing to do for sentimental reasons.

This guy DESERVES a chance the next couple years. Let him go and root for him.

It's not like he went to the ****ing Fade. He went to the Falcons.

This just in. Tyler Thigpen has demanded to be traded.
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KC fans deserve to cheer for a winning organization.

Gonzo doesn't deserve anything more than what he's already received from the organization and the community.

Very similar to Neil Smith a decade ago... just let him go and give him a shot at a ring. :evil:

Matt Ryan must have major wood right now.

First, damn you for getting my hopes up as it relates to the betterment of the Chiefs, and second:
LMAO

Die in fire.

:)

This is all a ploy to break Thiggy's attitude problem.

Thanks Gonzo, but you know how it goes. Gotta do what's best for the team.

Hope to see you hoist the Lombardi. Happy trails.

Does anyone know if Tony has a "No trade clause" in his contract?

FYN.

That's what leaders do...

You said he should be fired if we traded for Cassel.

You must be mistaking me for another Rain Man. It's a common name.

I wasn't thrilled with the Cassel trade, but my position has been that Pioli is omnipotent and I would trust Pioli to catch me if I had to jump out of a burning building.

Pioli should be fired was really Pioli save me from fire..I can see it.

Is this real? I'm reading through the thread and still see no confirmation. I hope it's not true.

The original post contains the rumor. There is nothing beyond Lombardi's rumor at this time.

That must be it.

If he leaves? Who will be our new cry baby? I guess Waters is still here though...

Yup and don't forget about Larry

At this point I will be shocked if Larry is still here next season. Looks like they're completely cleaning house.

Every outlet I've seen/read has painted the picture of LJ being a model citizen recently and likely to stick around. Apparently he's sat down with the new regime and says he wants to be here.

:shrug:

You're only saying that because he's standing right behind you. And in front of you. Oh, and across the room too.

I'd still be surprised if LJ, Waters and Gonzalez were on the Chiefs rosters in September.

Shocked, actually.

For some reason, I think that LJ will be the one of the three that survive.

Mainly, because he has absolutely no trade value. They really have no reason to flat-out cut him. Might as well use him if he actually has bought in and wants to be here.

Waters, on the other hand DOES have trade value, though probably not a ton, and doesn't want to be here. Ship his ass out.

Personally, I could care less who stays/goes.

Pretty much my thoughts on this issue as well.

pretty much.

This...

Not like we have ever won shit with TG.... IT will be different not seeing him in Red and Gold, but shit I want to win a superbowl...

I should have added a disclaimer to that.

I really don't care who stays/goes provided that should one or more of these guys be on the roster come September, that we don't hear anymore bitching and moaning about not being dealt.

If Pioli thinks they aren't team players, or will be a distraction, ship their ass out.

Those who are willing to buy in and be productive members of a TEAM, you're free to stay.

Another reason why I think Waters is eventually gone.

Couldn't we just break his arm instead?:hmmm:

I guess Arrowhead will be without running Waters....:deevee:

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Yep.

I have a really, really hard time thinking about a back who refuses to block as a team guy, though. I know the contract situation and what not, but my anger for his selfishness overrides everything else.

I understand, and can't really disagree.

Like I said, IF he's bought in. That would include blocking, in my book.

Hell, for all we know, he was never coached proper technique in picking up blockers.

I'm willing to be *skeptically* optimistic (didn't want to use all caps).

Definitely a sad day if he does end up being traded. I think Cassel would love having him around the next couple years, but totally understandable if we can get a 2nd maybe more for an older player.

I halfway expect Waters will be back, but the other two, probably not.

I don't care, really. We've been doing things the same way 20 years and have nothing to show for it. Let's let these guys put their stamp on the franchise.

If I were an NFL player I would clean out my locker at the end of the season. Why risk mold and mildew?

Hope it's not true. If it is, good luck and thanks for the amazing play Tony.

If I were a pro athlete, I'd clean out my locker and hold the team hostage annually until they fulfilled my request for my own dressing area, so I could shoot up juice, buy cars and beat women in peace for fuck sake.

Damn, dreading but expecting this day. Well, hopefully if he is traded, he'll retire a Chief. Thats all we can ask.

Well, this is an outrageously stupid move by the Chiefs.

IMO Tony G is worth a first rounder simply because he plays better than one. But his age and the long term investment of a first round pick won't get the Chiefs what they deserve should they deal Gonzo.

He's still the best or top 2 TE in the NFL. He's not a pussy either, he plays hurt all the time. Tony G is the kind of player that would put a team over that hump to make them a Championship team.

:spock:

I could not endorse this move any more after reading this post.

I like getting picks but I'll miss Tony. As sentimental as I am wanting him to retire a Chief, the future's here baby and if we can grab a second well let's do it. It's kind of, let me reiterate, I think it's kind of what 49ers fans must have felt seeing Joe come here albeit Steve Young was waiting in the wings...

:Robinson:

Whats up guys, I am new to the board....Well damn, Tony G is outa of here. I dont want to see him go, and I am not sure about this move. Why would the Chiefs trade Matt Cassles best target? and with our wide reciever core crap, why would you trade a guy that helps your wide recievers become better by taking the the safeties focus off of the wide outs and on the Tightend. The other side of it is , Tony only has 2 years left maybe, and if we can get a 3-5 year starter then I am good with that. Either way it sucks to see tony go...........Go Chiefs, Go Royals, Go KU....MUCKFUZZUO.. LOL

It's sorta like having a massively accurate Magic 8-Ball from God, yes?
Quite so.

:hump:

....

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthrea...ed#post5397114

A low second round pick is not worth what Gonzalez would bring to the devlopement of Matt Cassel. If KC does pull this trade off, then the WR position opposite Bowe is a MUST to upgrade.

I would rather keep Gonzalez if a 2nd is the best KC can get.
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If Atlanta is truly willing to give up a second round pick for Tony, then the deal is done. Pioli, given this point in Gonzo's career AND the "rebuilding" process we are presently engaged in....would be crazy to pass up the deal.

Hey, Gonzo will be in Canton one day, but he's 33 and entering his 13th season... KC should smile big for a R2.

Micheal Smith on NFL LIVE said that this is unlikely to happen cause we aren't going to trade a good player and want to win NOW, LMAO

He did say ATL wants this to happen bad...

I know he is a good NFL reporter guy, but seriously?

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/4...cons-offer-for

Report: Chiefs Reject Falcons Offer for Gonzalez

Tg_tiny by primetime 07 on Apr 13, 2009 10:42 PM CDT Comment 35 comments

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via www.kcchiefs.com

Frank Boal of FOX4 in Kansas City is reporting the Kansas City Chiefs have rejected a trade offer from the Atlanta Falcons for tight end Tony Gonzalez. The offer was for the Falcons' 55th overall pick according to Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post.

*Boal rarely breaks news about the Chiefs and the rest of the mainstream media hasn't picked up on this yet so we're certainly going to continue following this story until we can get another confirmation.

Rumors have been swirling that the Chiefs were nearing a deal with someone to move Gonzalez. The basis of some of these rumors? Gonzalez cleaning out his locker.

We'll never know if the future Hall of Fame tight end was simply cleaning out his locker before the start of the Chiefs first veteran mandatory mini-camp on April 17th or if he removed his belongings with the intention that he wouldn't be back.

If the GM Scott Pioli values Gonzalez more than the Falcons' second round pick then it's unlikely any team in the NFL will match his price. The overlord of the previous Chiefs regime, Carl Peterson, reportedly pushed his asking price from a third to a second and fifth round pick at the trading deadline last year.

We can debate about Gonzalez's worth all day long but he's worth whatever any team will offer him. If the offers that came in last season (Eagles' 3rd, Giants' 6th) are any indication, Tony Gonzalez will not be traded by the Chiefs this season.

Great, now him and Brian Waters and cry on each others shoulders.

"So we see that you want him badly, do you..." /Pioli/

Guess Michael Smith is right again, we really want to win now huh?! Take the ****ing 2nd rounder or hope we are waiting till draft day

Haha well, not that it isn't necessarily already a fair offer... but there's no harm in waiting to see just "how bad" the Falcons want this to happen.

So is someone in the ATL is ultimately going to squeal like a pig?

If that was ATL's first offer it would absolutely be rejected. If a 2nd is their initial offer it means they're prepared to offer more.

If they've been discussing this for awhile then maybe we don't want to trade....

It's gonna be their 2nd and the rights to Mike Vick.







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