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milkman 04-15-2009 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdeg (Post 5673633)
I missed the beginning what did he say about Brown

Basically that there's a lot of hybrid types and others may rate ahead of him.

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:08 PM

I asked a Duke Robinson question...I'm just asking random shit now.

ChiefsCountry 04-15-2009 06:08 PM

Damn its like all Chief fans on that chat.

Direckshun 04-15-2009 06:11 PM

[Comment From Mitchell]
Is kcrockaholic4life your friend or something, I noticed he has had 4 questions answered so far, not trying to hate, just an observation

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:11 PM

Whoa KC i didn't know you were friends with Scott Wright!

Direckshun 04-15-2009 06:11 PM

[Comment From Mecca]
What exactly has caused Duke Robinson to go from possible 1st round guard to the 3rd round and not even the 1st player drafted at his position? If he was 1st round caliber on the field his offseason couldn't have possibly been that poor could it?

KCrockaholic 04-15-2009 06:12 PM

ROFL

Whos Mitchell? come on' I know its one of you.

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:12 PM

LOL I asked a James Davis question too and one about the QBs height.

Direckshun 04-15-2009 06:12 PM

[Comment From milkman]
Do you see Phil Loadholt as a LT, RT, or should he be kicked inside to guard?

Direckshun 04-15-2009 06:13 PM

[Comment From Chiefsplanet]
Will Scott Pioli find a way to pick up a second round pick? Possibly trading LJ, or Gonzalez?

KCrockaholic 04-15-2009 06:13 PM

BTW Chiefsplanet was mine

A little CP marketing never hurts

Direckshun 04-15-2009 06:13 PM

[Comment From Mecca]
How do you feel about James Davis? Do you feel he could be one of the mid round steals at RB that goes onto a productive starting career in the NFL?

milkman 04-15-2009 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5673662)
BTW Chiefsplanet was mine

A little CP marketing never hurts

I thought, damn, the whole planet asked a question.

bdeg 04-15-2009 06:16 PM

I was Shonn Greene.
[Comment From Shonn Greene]
Were teams impressed by my pro day? Do you think I'll go in the 2nd?
7:15
Scott Wright: Shonn Greene did have a solid Pro Day and he will likely go in the second or third round. I have heard that the Giants really like him.

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:16 PM

I think I caught KC he's taken 3 or 4 questions from me now also.

KCrockaholic 04-15-2009 06:17 PM

Mecca's on a role!

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:17 PM

I didn't ask that question LOL...who's playing that off...

bdeg 04-15-2009 06:17 PM

If you lob him softballs he'll swing all night.

Direckshun 04-15-2009 06:17 PM

[Comment From Mecca]
Who do you think had more to do with the Patriots "success" Bill Belicheck or Scott Pioli

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:18 PM

I didn't ask that Belichick question....

Direckshun 04-15-2009 06:18 PM

What else do we want to know, folks?

I'm ready to ask another.

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:18 PM

The only question I put up there that he didn't take yet was one about how he felt about people saying Stafford and Sanchez are to short to be franchise QBs.

Direckshun 04-15-2009 06:19 PM

[Comment From milkman]
What are you thoughts on Roger Allen?

milkman 04-15-2009 06:20 PM

Yeah, I'm lobbing some easy ones, which he takes.

He won't swing at the tough ones.

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:22 PM

The easiest way to get him to respond is to ask him his opinion of specific players.

DrRyan 04-15-2009 06:25 PM

I asked him something to the effect of, "do you see the Chiefs drafting a QB at #3 a possibility since they have not extended Cassel, then move either Cassel or Sanchez/Stafford during the draft.

No answer. Surprise.

booger 04-15-2009 06:26 PM

ask him if dorsey can play nt in the 3-4

Direckshun 04-15-2009 06:26 PM

[Comment From Andrew from Springfield]
Are there any predictions of last year's draft you'd take back if you could?

Direckshun 04-15-2009 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrRyan (Post 5673706)
I asked him something to the effect of, "do you see the Chiefs drafting a QB at #3 a possibility since they have not extended Cassel, then move either Cassel or Sanchez/Stafford during the draft.

No answer. Surprise.

He's already answered that question.

Quote:

Originally Posted by booger (Post 5673708)
ask him if dorsey can play nt in the 3-4

He's a Draft expert.

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrRyan (Post 5673706)
I asked him something to the effect of, "do you see the Chiefs drafting a QB at #3 a possibility since they have not extended Cassel, then move either Cassel or Sanchez/Stafford during the draft.

No answer. Surprise.

Earlier he got asked the odds that the Chiefs draft a QB he responded....0%.

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:27 PM

I just threw up a bunch of questions lets see what he says.

Direckshun 04-15-2009 06:28 PM

lol

[Comment From vardaman]
how soon is too soon to stick a fork in jamarcus russell? especially when he's on mad al's crew? any chance they just fatten him up and try and turn him into the new warren sapp?

booger 04-15-2009 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 5673711)
He's a Draft expert.

I'm well aware of that. He spent plenty of time scouting him the previous 2 plus years so he might have an opinion on that.

ChiefsCountry 04-15-2009 06:29 PM

I asked about Dorsey and threw Raji in there.

Direckshun 04-15-2009 06:30 PM

hahaha

[Comment From Scott Pioli]
Speaking of value, why would I take Monroe at 3 and slide Albert to RT, when I can get a fine RT in the 3rd or 4th just like I did in NE? Isn't that kind of a waste of the #3 value, filling a hole easily filled in later rounds? Especially considering that both of these left-tackle-capable players will want a lt's contract in a few years and we won't be able to give it to both of them?

DrRyan 04-15-2009 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5673712)
Earlier he got asked the odds that the Chiefs draft a QB he responded....0%.

I see that now. I did not see it when I asked. If that is the case, may we please be able to trade down.

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:30 PM

Oh wow he took a really good Monroe/Albert question.

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:31 PM

He just knocked Curry in his response "a LB that isn't an elite pass rusher"

Direckshun 04-15-2009 06:31 PM

Scott Wright: Sure, because top offensive tackles just grow on trees in the middle rounds! :o) Based strictly on money, it makes WAY, WAY more sense to give $30 million guaranteed to a left tackle over a linebacker who isn't an elite pass rusher.

A little sass for the Chiefs fans.

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:32 PM

What I've learned his Scott Wright thinks if the Chiefs keep the 3rd pick Curry or an OT are the only options.

bdeg 04-15-2009 06:32 PM

That was me. I'm surprised he took it.
Don't like his answer, though. Seeing as how we don't need a 'top offensive tackle' to man the right side.


I asked him a dorsey one too

Direckshun 04-15-2009 06:32 PM

We own Scott Wright.

[Comment From ChiefsCountry]
Can Glenn Dorsey play the noise in the 3-4 or do the Chiefs need to go after Raji?

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:33 PM

So he basically thinks Curry or OT are only options and he considers OT better value.

Direckshun 04-15-2009 06:34 PM

Milkman's hardon for Topou now has a national audience.

[Comment From milkman]
I really like Fenoki Topou out of Oregon, Is high third round too early to take him?

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:35 PM

Marvin Austin question...I like that guy.

DaneMcCloud 04-15-2009 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5673747)
So he basically thinks Curry or OT are only options and he considers OT better value.

I'd have to agree

milkman 04-15-2009 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5673732)
Oh wow he took a really good Monroe/Albert question.

But he still side stepped the value issue.

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:36 PM

If we stay at 3 and take an OT that mother****er better be hall of fame good.

DaneMcCloud 04-15-2009 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5673757)
If we stay at 3 and take an OT that mother****er better be hall of fame good.

Oh, I know.

We're just in a shitty position.

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5673756)
But he still side stepped the value issue.

He's going to tell you right now...

Direckshun 04-15-2009 06:38 PM

[Comment From milkman]
At laest I agree with you on Dorsey, but why do you keep sidestepping the issue of value on Monroe/Albert.

Direckshun 04-15-2009 06:38 PM

[Comment From kcrockaholic4life]
Will Sam Bradford go #1 next year if he continues to play well at OU?

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:39 PM

He's just thinking about the money right now, not down the line.

AustinChief 04-15-2009 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5673756)
But he still side stepped the value issue.

I don't think he is sidestepping it.. I think he just doesn't see the LONG TERM issue of when Albert's contract is up... and he MOST LIKELY will ask for LT money.

AustinChief 04-15-2009 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5673767)
He's just thinking about the money right now, not down the line.

damn, beat me to it.

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 5673770)
I don't think he is sidestepping it.. I think he just doesn't see the LONG TERM issue of when Albert's contract is up... and he MOST LIKELY will ask for LT money.

I brought it up just a second ago but he hasn't taken my last 5 questions so we'll see.

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:40 PM

He should respond "in my parents basement"

bdeg 04-15-2009 06:41 PM

As for his response to Milkmans value question, he refuses to acknowledge how well Albert played last year. It's not that much of an upgrade, and it IS a waste to put Albert on the right. I sent him a response about it.

This is the kind of question he kept dodging last time I tried this, we'll see if he gets to it this time

Is Brian Orakpo's lack of pass rushing moves or the inability to use them most likely due to a lack of coaching, poor work ethic, poor focus, poor intelligence, or what? Doesn't this scare teams?

milkman 04-15-2009 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 5673770)
I don't think he is sidestepping it.. I think he just doesn't see the LONG TERM issue of when Albert's contract is up... and he MOST LIKELY will ask for LT money.

For me, I'm not looking at it from a money issue.
It still comes down to using that #3 overall to fill a hole at RT or guard, and that simpley isn't good value.

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdeg (Post 5673775)
As for his response to Milkmans value question, he refuses to acknowledge how well Albert played last year. It's not that much of an upgrade, and it IS a waste to put Albert on the right.

This is what I've learned reading between the lines.

He thinks of the Chiefs stay at 3 their only options are Curry or an OT and right now he favors the OT pick because Curry isn't an elite pass rusher.

Direckshun 04-15-2009 06:43 PM

Just asked:

Does your wife ever feel neglected, roosting alone in your king-sized bed, crying herself to sleep from loneliness and wondering what will become of your neglected children you've had together, while you waste away your life in the light glow of your 65-incher watching slot receivers and 3-tech defensive lineman into the latest hours of the night, completely ignorant of the poisonous effect this has had on the rest of your family?

Direckshun 04-15-2009 06:44 PM

[Comment From kcrockaholic4life]
What player is most likely to be taken earlier than he should be? And by whom?

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:44 PM

I just posted this...

Rhett Bomar

I'm stealing a car and going to the draft who's with me!

bdeg 04-15-2009 06:44 PM

[Comment From Errorik]
Have you ever, ever, ever seen a prospect who was mentally and physically ready to go to the NFL out of high school???

That was me, damn I guess I'm not ready :( ROFL

milkman 04-15-2009 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdeg (Post 5673775)
As for his response to Milkmans value question, he refuses to acknowledge how well Albert played last year. It's not that much of an upgrade, and it IS a waste to put Albert on the right. I sent him a response about it.

This is the kind of question he kept dodging last time I tried this, we'll see if he gets to it this time

Is Brian Orakpo's lack of pass rushing moves or the inability to use them most likely due to a lack of coaching, poor work ethic, poor focus, poor intelligence, or what? Doesn't this scare teams?

I responded to his answer by telling him if he doesn't see it, then he's refusing to look, and asked him how many teams have two first OTs, or two first round lineman for that matter?

AustinChief 04-15-2009 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5673778)
For me, I'm not looking at it from a money issue.
It still comes down to using that #3 overall to fill a hole at RT or guard, and that simpley isn't good value.

I don't really see it that way because I REALLY like Monroe and feel he will be a definite upgrade over Albert who I still see as a work in progress.

I believe that Albert will be a solid LT for years but I can also see the utility in having two guys next to each other who already have years of chemistry (I hate the idea of moving Albert to RT over LG)

but as always.. I prefer a damn trade down or I guess Raji at this point...

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:45 PM

The only guys I've ever heard of like that were, Donte Stallworth wanted to explore the possibility of turning pro after high school and Eric Swann.

Direckshun 04-15-2009 06:47 PM

[Comment From Mecca]
Will you die of laughter when a network has Matt Millen on as a draft expert?


ROFL

milkman 04-15-2009 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 5673796)
I don't really see it that way because I REALLY like Monroe and feel he will be a definite upgrade over Albert who I still see as a work in progress.

I believe that Albert will be a solid LT for years but I can also see the utility in having two guys next to each other who already have years of chemistry (I hate the idea of moving Albert to RT over LG)

but as always.. I prefer a damn trade down or I guess Raji at this point...

We'll never see eye to eye on this.

I think Albert is the better LT prospect, but w'll see how it all plays out.

ChiefsCountry 04-15-2009 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5673797)
The only guys I've ever heard of like that were, Donte Stallworth wanted to explore the possibility of turning pro after high school and Eric Swann.

Swann played semi-pro football I believe.

AustinChief 04-15-2009 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5673806)
We'll never see eye to eye on this.

I think Albert is the better LT prospect, but w'll see how it all plays out.

yeah.. but I do agree that even if I am right about Monroe... Albert is definitely good enough that if there is ANY value to be had at ANY OTHER POSITION from the #3 pick than you take it.... hence why I am resigned to Raji at this point.

RustShack 04-15-2009 06:52 PM

I really don't see the Albert wanting LT money down the road issue like some of you guys, I think your just thinking worst case. Honestly if hes just a money hungry bitch it wouldn't bother me a whole lot if hes franchised and traded. Also drafting a LT #3 isn't bad value, because he would be the LT, and the #15 pick would be the RT(or maybe OG).

I'm not saying I want Monroe, but I just don't see that issue like some of you guys. For the Record Brown and Raji are my top two, followed by who I already know is hated... Crabtree.

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:53 PM

I just coughed and Justin Harrell got injured in that process.

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5673821)
I really don't see the Albert wanting LT money down the road issue like some of you guys, I think your just thinking worst case. Honestly if hes just a money hungry bitch it wouldn't bother me a whole lot if hes franchised and traded. Also drafting a LT #3 isn't bad value, because he would be the LT, and the #15 pick would be the RT(or maybe OG).

I'm not saying I want Monroe, but I just don't see that issue like some of you guys. For the Record Brown and Raji are my top two, followed by who I already know is hated... Crabtree.

It's not about being a money hungry bitch, it's about getting the best contract he can and if other team will pay him as a LT he'll expect that.

KCrockaholic 04-15-2009 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5673822)
I just coughed and Justin Harrell got injured in that process.

Atleast he was correct on the Justin Harrell question.

milkman 04-15-2009 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5673821)
I really don't see the Albert wanting LT money down the road issue like some of you guys, I think your just thinking worst case. Honestly if hes just a money hungry bitch it wouldn't bother me a whole lot if hes franchised and traded. Also drafting a LT #3 isn't bad value, because he would be the LT, and the #15 pick would be the RT(or maybe OG).

I'm not saying I want Monroe, but I just don't see that issue like some of you guys. For the Record Brown and Raji are my top two, followed by who I already know is hated... Crabtree.

Taking Monroe and filling a hole at RT or guard, whether you're moving Monroe or Albert is piss poor value.

You don't fill holes at RT or guard with the #3 overall.

bdeg 04-15-2009 06:55 PM

Comment From Jim]
Hi Scott, who is a better fit for the Jets, Sanchez or Freeman.
7:55
Scott Wright: Definitely Josh Freeman. You need a strong arm to deal with the wind and weather in New York.


WOW

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:56 PM

One of you guys change your name to Aaron Curry and say "I heard I am Jesus christ is that true?"

Mecca 04-15-2009 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdeg (Post 5673835)
Comment From Jim]
Hi Scott, who is a better fit for the Jets, Sanchez or Freeman.
7:55
Scott Wright: Definitely Josh Freeman. You need a strong arm to deal with the wind and weather in New York.


WOW

I'm not surprised most people think if you don't have a really strong arm you can't play in that stadium.

aturnis 04-15-2009 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5673778)
For me, I'm not looking at it from a money issue.
It still comes down to using that #3 overall to fill a hole at RT or guard, and that simpley isn't good value.

What? You're using the #3 for a LT. The RT or Guard would be the #15. Silly.

None of that "essentially" shit either.


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