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Kyle DeLexus 04-17-2009 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5679821)
I've talked about how the spread hurts the development of players for the next level the general thing I was met with around here is "it's not college teams jobs to develop players it's their jobs to win"

Of course I think there are some skewed opinions around here since the spread made basically everyone's college team that posts here mean something for the first time in 50 years.

Oh I agree with you, honestly I don't mind schools that don't get high rated prospects like KU running a spread. If you are a major university that is basically a farm system for the NFL your hurting yourself by running the spread. The more NFL players/prospects you have the better that is for recruiting. You have teams like OU using an offense that is custom designed for teams with less talent to compete.

My argument to support college teams developing players would be that if you want the best recruits you can get develope them and help them achieve their NFL dream. Al Groh is an example. If I played defense or OLine i'm going to Virgina. He gets his players drafted.

Demonpenz 04-17-2009 04:14 PM

it's sad that i actually don't enjoy the football talk on here much anymore.

Mecca 04-17-2009 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 5679898)
Oh I agree with you, honestly I don't mind schools that don't get high rated prospects like KU running a spread. If you are a major university that is basically a farm system for the NFL your hurting yourself by running the spread. The more NFL players/prospects you have the better that is for recruiting. You have teams like OU using an offense that is custom designed for teams with less talent to compete.

My argument to support college teams developing players would be that if you want the best recruits you can get develope them and help them achieve their NFL dream. Al Groh is an example. If I played defense of OLine i'm going to Virgina. He gets his players drafted.

Nature of the beast I guess, OKlahoma gets top of the line players at certain positions but honestly they've had a hard time landing top level QB's and skill position players outside of RB. Plus they're always slow....

They'd probably hit you with the "we don't get what SC or Florida gets"

Kyle DeLexus 04-17-2009 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 5679904)
it's sad that i actually don't enjoy the football talk on here much anymore.

ROFL, I sat through the poop threads waiting for real football talk all offseason. Now that the draft is close enough people are taking it serious I didn't get any work done today.

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5679912)
Nature of the beast I guess, OKlahoma gets top of the line players at certain positions but honestly they've had a hard time landing top level QB's and skill position players outside of RB. Plus they're always slow....

They'd probably hit you with the "we don't get what SC or Florida gets"


How do you compete with the recruitment tool of beaches and nice weather. Really I don't follow college recruiting at all. I only care about the players once they're at the schools and start playing. Is it that OU focuses on other positions with an emphasise on RB's, or that they just can't land big name QB's and skill positions? Or are there just not enough top of the line Texas kids to go around for the Big 12?

Mecca 04-17-2009 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 5679930)
ROFL, I sat through the poop threads waiting for real football talk all offseason. Now that the draft is close enough people are taking it serious I didn't get any work done today.




How do you compete with the recruitment tool of beaches and nice weather. Really I don't follow college recruiting at all. I only care about the players once they're at the schools and start playing. Is it that OU focuses on other positions with an emphasise on RB's, or that they just can't land big name QB's and skill positions? Or are there just not enough top of the line Texas kids to go around for the Big 12?

It has to do with their main recruiting base being Texas and here lately the Texas kids haven't been nearly as good as the Cali or Florida kids. Plus Texas is much tougher competition in recruiting than SC ever faces out in Cali or Florida is seeing right now.

Just take into account Sam Bradford was a 3 star recruit from Oklahoma.

Kyle DeLexus 04-17-2009 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5679935)
It has to do with their main recruiting base being Texas and here lately the Texas kids haven't been nearly as good as the Cali or Florida kids. Plus Texas is much tougher competition in recruiting than SC ever faces out in Cali or Florida is seeing right now.

Just take into account Sam Bradford was a 3 star recruit from Oklahoma.

I figured as much. Throw into it that USC and Florida now always seem to be championship contenders and guys want to win and if you go to USC you get the added bonus of a pro scheme.

Mecca 04-17-2009 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 5679948)
I figured as much. Throw into it that USC and Florida now always seem to be championship contenders and guys want to win and if you go to USC you get the added bonus of a pro scheme.

The spread has made 3 star kids like Bradford and McCoy look like a million bucks and if you told these coaches they're hurting their programs in the long run they'd argue about it.

Kyle DeLexus 04-17-2009 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5679952)
The spread has made 3 star kids like Bradford and McCoy look like a million bucks and if you told these coaches they're hurting their programs in the long run they'd argue about it.

As soon as someone as hyped as Bradford busts maybe the top schools will change their ways. Of course that's probably asking too much Texas has all kinds of busts and people still want to go there.

Mecca 04-17-2009 04:43 PM

Oklahoma has had hardly anyone transition very well to the next level if you want to be honest about it.

Kyle DeLexus 04-17-2009 04:57 PM

Well maybe the coaches that argue that they aren't hurting the long term value of their team are right. Personally I know if i'm going to go to the NFL I'm choosing a school that will get me ready to play in the NFL

Mecca 04-17-2009 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 5679993)
Well maybe the coaches that argue that they aren't hurting the long term value of their team are right. Personally I know if i'm going to go to the NFL I'm choosing a school that will get me ready to play in the NFL

Alot of kids don't think about it, it's sad but true. Kids from Texas have immense pressure to go to schools like Texas and OU.

SC actually gets so many players one of the recruiting tactics used against them is 'If you go there you may never play how are you gonna get to the next level when you aren't on the field?"

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-17-2009 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 5679948)
I figured as much. Throw into it that USC and Florida now always seem to be championship contenders and guys want to win and if you go to USC you get the added bonus of a pro scheme.

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5680004)
Alot of kids don't think about it, it's sad but true. Kids from Texas have immense pressure to go to schools like Texas and OU.

SC actually gets so many players one of the recruiting tactics used against them is 'If you go there you may never play how are you gonna get to the next level when you aren't on the field?"

The Virginia schools and SC are cranking out some players that have the potential to be really great. And as far as Texas/OU goes, what does it say that a "Son of Texas" like Stafford looks at their programs and says "**** that"?
Georgia and Florida make some really good defensive players though.

RustShack 04-18-2009 12:37 AM

That was sick how he was nailing those plates.

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-18-2009 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5681282)
That was sick how he was nailing those plates.

And painful too.:shake:

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-18-2009 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5681285)
And painful too.:shake:

ADDENDUM:

It's Marino all over again. :doh!:

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-18-2009 01:24 AM

Imagine if you're Matt Stafford and you can titty **** some of the hottest coeds in the world. Of course you're gonna go to UGA and hammer some strange. It's ****ing hardcore.

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-18-2009 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5681303)
Imagine if you're Matt Stafford and you can titty **** some of the hottest coeds in the world. Of course you're gonna go to UGA and hammer some strange. It's ****ing hardcore.

****in-A; southern women know how to talk dirty, **** dirty, and cook dirty rice!

Count...me...IN.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-18-2009 02:58 AM

OK...DOUBLE PUSSIES...SHITSTAINED BALLS, CUM SWAPPING AND THE HANGING BRAIN!!

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-18-2009 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5681319)
OK...DOUBLE PUSSIES...SHITSTAINED BALLS, CUM SWAPPING AND THE HANGING BRAIN!!

:eek:ROFL

And I quote, "Hamas get's wasted bad".ROFL


http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/v..._1989_wade.jpg

kysirsoze 04-18-2009 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5681323)
:eek:ROFL

And I quote, "Hamas get's wasted bad".ROFL


http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/v..._1989_wade.jpg

The whole planet is a "Hamas is wasted thread" right now.

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-18-2009 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 5681326)
The whole planet is a "Hamas is wasted thread" right now.

And we're all the better for it.:evil:

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-18-2009 03:31 AM

It's not about the Arabian Goggles and the Hot Carl.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-18-2009 03:33 AM

Or Pussy Juice Cocktail...or cum swapping and the hanging brain. It's not about the rattlesnake wiggle, and the alligator ****house, donkey punch or the teabagging!!

kysirsoze 04-18-2009 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5681328)
It's not about the Arabian Goggles and the Hot Carl.

Then what the hell is it about?

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-18-2009 03:50 AM

****in' shit!LMAO:BLVD:

kysirsoze 04-18-2009 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5681331)
****in' shit!LMAO:BLVD:

Should you change your avatar while drunk? That seems risky...

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-18-2009 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 5681333)
Should you change your avatar while drunk? That seems risky...

Yes, the whole balance of world power could shift dramatically! ROFL

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-18-2009 04:01 AM

Enough Planet for one day, I'm out!

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-18-2009 04:01 AM

http://i41.tinypic.com/2wd6a93.gif
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Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 5681333)
Should you change your avatar while drunk? That seems risky...


kysirsoze 04-18-2009 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5681337)

ROFL I'm really glad you got back on to make one last point. ROFL

kysirsoze 04-18-2009 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5681336)
Enough Planet for one day, I'm out!

This.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-18-2009 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 5681338)
ROFL I'm really glad you got back on to make one last point. ROFL

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...ckeyebrows.gif

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-18-2009 04:31 AM

STAFFORD IS GOD AND THE HOWITZER ATTACHED TO HIS SHOULDER IS HIS MESSAGE.

007 04-18-2009 05:09 AM

Damn HJ get some sleep man. You have to be tired by now.:)

milkman 04-18-2009 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 5677821)
That's true. It's a rare case you have a QB at the top that people won't bash. If Peyton himself were to be in the last couple of drafts he would get a report like:

"He's got all the measurables you want in a QB, but sometimes he's too animated at the line. He has been known to be calling off audibles right down to the very last seconds of the play clock, this worries a few NFL coaches I have talked to. To me it's not worth the risk of potentially getting a delay of game call, I feel the best value is the coverage LB who makes all the plays he should. If not the LB, go RT or G.

I've heard Bill Polian discuss the Colts decision to draft Manning over Leaf, and their concerns that Manning didn't have elite arm strength and that he might have maxed out.

milkman 04-18-2009 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 5678140)
With the roster changing all the time and the amount of teams, you can't judge a kid based on how many championships they won. Throw in the fact that more and more teams are going to the spread, which is a deadly offense in the college ranks due to a lack of speed and elite talent on defenses.

Now if they had an absolutely terrible team, that is cause for concern. They were a good team they just weren't the best.

In the NFL everything is supposed to be an even playing field. No one should hold Cassel to expectations like that, though. It's just not realistic. So many things have to go right in a season that it's ridiculous to hold someone to those standards. Hell, Peyton Manning has only won one with some great Indy teams, and IMO he is the greatest QB to ever play the game and would have been so if he hadn't won a championship.

Manning's level of play drops off in the post season.

Guys like Montana, Elway, Brady, and now Roethlisberger show up and make plays when games are on the line in the playoffs.

Manning doesn't.

Not the greatest QB ever.

Not even close.

milkman 04-18-2009 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5678712)
That's pretty damned impressive.

He missed one.

He's going to be a bust.

doomy3 04-18-2009 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5679775)
Yep, good ol' laughingstock Detroit turns out to be smarter than the mighty Jesus GM; who'da thunk it? :doh!:

:spock:

Yeah, Detroit is way smarter because they happen to have the number one pick. If they take Stafford at one, which is what I said, how the hell do you make the connection that they are smarter than the Chiefs when we wouldn't have a chance at Stafford anyway?

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-18-2009 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5681440)
:spock:

Yeah, Detroit is way smarter because they happen to have the number one pick. If they take Stafford at one, which is what I said, how the hell do you make the connection that they are smarter than the Chiefs when we wouldn't have a chance at Stafford anyway?

If we wanted a chance at Stafford, surely Jesus GM could have wheeled and dealed in His celestial manner to make it happen. He chose the fork in the road with the signpost that said "safer". Deny it not, for it is the truth and there is no point in bickering about it. Aided by the Ghost of Blackledge, the Marino Circle is now complete.

After watching the presser with those two and observing facial expressions, I could not help but notice that Jesus GM was a little irritable when discussing the 1st Messiah and his aged compatriot, Sir Ingram the Elder.
It was if he were not pleased that some in the fan community would question the Awesomeness of the 1st Messiah...
Meh. Welcome to football, big boy!
We'll jump off to a faster start with Cassel than Detroit or whoever takes Sanchez, but come talk to me about 5 years from now, and 5 to 8 years after that!

There's some push for "win now" going on, do not deny it. Two losing seasons combined with construction costs have produced a need for immediate revenue generation, and the only way to get that happening is to get those True Fans and former DiPardo groupies asses back in the seats!
Let the hickory smoke fill the parking lots! Stock the pro shop with throwbacks!
7 and 9,
HERE WE COME!!! :doh!:

doomy3 04-18-2009 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 5682384)
If we wanted a chance at Stafford, surely Jesus GM could have wheeled and dealed in His celestial manner to make it happen. He chose the fork in the road with the signpost that said "safer". Deny it not, for it is the truth and there is no point in bickering about it. Aided by the Ghost of Blackledge, the Marino Circle is now complete.

After watching the presser with those two and observing facial expressions, I could not help but notice that Jesus GM was a little irritable when discussing the 1st Messiah and his aged compatriot, Sir Ingram the Elder.
It was if he were not pleased that some in the fan community would question the Awesomeness of the 1st Messiah...
Meh. Welcome to football, big boy!
We'll jump off to a faster start with Cassel than Detroit or whoever takes Sanchez, but come talk to me about 5 years from now, and 5 to 8 years after that!

There's some push for "win now" going on, do not deny it. Two losing seasons combined with construction costs have produced a need for immediate revenue generation, and the only way to get that happening is to get those True Fans and former DiPardo groupies asses back in the seats!
Let the hickory smoke fill the parking lots! Stock the pro shop with throwbacks!
7 and 9,
HERE WE COME!!! :doh!:


Yeah, I'm sure all Scott Pioli, the former GM of the Patriots, is worried about is filling the seats. He has already won Super Bowls, so I'm sure he's just not that interested in that stuff anymore.

If you really believe the shit that you post, then you are even dumber than I thought.

And I am a big fan of Stafford, but if you are implying that we should have traded basically our whole draft this year and some picks next year to move up to #1 to get him, then you are even dumber than I thought.

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-18-2009 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5682494)
Yeah, I'm sure all Scott Pioli, the former GM of the Patriots, is worried about is filling the seats. He has already won Super Bowls, so I'm sure he's just not that interested in that stuff anymore.

If you really believe the shit that you post, then you are even dumber than I thought.

And I am a big fan of Stafford, but if you are implying that we should have traded basically our whole draft this year and some picks next year to move up to #1 to get him, then you are even dumber than I thought.

And you're implying that economics have no bearing on the overall plan for the Chiefs first year under the new regime.

Try again Alfalfa.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-18-2009 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5682494)
Yeah, I'm sure all Scott Pioli, the former GM of the Patriots, is worried about is filling the seats. He has already won Super Bowls, so I'm sure he's just not that interested in that stuff anymore.

If you really believe the shit that you post, then you are even dumber than I thought.

And I am a big fan of Stafford, but if you are implying that we should have traded basically our whole draft this year and some picks next year to move up to #1 to get him, then you are even dumber than I thought.

Scott Pioli was never GM of the Patriots.


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