Haha, everyone's mad we got The Dynasty, himself.

He has a strong upper body, which make no mistake is a good thing. I don't think he's lacking in lower body strength either, though. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Some informed sounding people keep saying he's playing at 340, that sounds like a NT to me. And he plays hard and physical, and has improved a lot in his time.

Weight doesn't always equal strength..and the way he carries it is very important. Rajis lower body build is the main reason people think he can be a NT.

yep but LOOK at those little legs(for his size)

Well see if one play had gone the other way at Denver and one play had been different agaoinst the Chargers and one drive had been different against the Jets that's gets them to 5-11. Then Carl and Herm are gone. That's worth 3 games, right? So now its up to 8-8. Cassel is worth at least one win more than Thigpen, right? 9-7. They will draft some good players. So the Chiefs are aready 10-6 before any FA's are signed!!!
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That'd be really funny if there weren't people that really believed it.

I think those people expect a Denver collapse and the continuing descent into mediocrity of the Chargers. In a weak division, every team thinks it has a chance.

If you look at the schedule and take a 3-3 record in division....

Ravens - should struggle early with the revamped defense and the "O" isn't very good

Eagles - Who knows right now? They SHOULD be the vastly superior team.

Cowboys - See above

Redskins - Good, but nothing special.

Giants - Should crush the Chiefs

Jaguars - Should be much improved over last year, but there's a lot of change there

Steelers - Should crush the Chiefs

Bills - Shouldn't be all that good a team

Browns - See above

Bengals - See above

If everything broke right, are there 5-6 wins there?

Ravens
Bengals
Browns
Bills
Jaguars
NFC East

That's where the 'homer' kicks in.

Speaking of how they carry weight, I'd argue Tank carries it a better and has less fat than Raji. I'm not 100% on that though, I mean damn I didn't even realize he was that big until others pointed it out. Raji is heavier than Tank was coming out of college, though.

Raji looks like he has more "fat" than tank

Oh crap I forgot the Steelers too.

Well, a 4-12 season will mean another year of good draft picks.
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:shrug:
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/...k3ee0/340x.jpg
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/i...7/uN8rx8l7.jpg

And that's when he weighed like 305 so add 35 lbs.

Raji has giant legs and a huge ass though which makes moving him damn near impossible.

Your counting on the Chiefs winning at the Ravens.
Good one.
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I think we will compete against some of those teams and,, unlike last year, win some of the close games. I think Cassel is a huge upgrade and the offense will be pretty effective. I'm hoping we can sweep the raiders and donks, and eek out a few more along the way.

This picture made me laugh..

http://www.nflgridirongab.com/wp-con...03/bj-raji.jpg

Thats what they said about my bedridden aunt.
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look at his calves then look at raji's legs

Well thats not a good shot of the calves. If you can find better pictures go for it, I've put enough effort into it lol

hey look back and you will see that i'm one of tank's biggest supporters here

With the third pick of the 2009 NFL draft the Kansas City Chiefs select. Hugh Jass, Boston College
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Ya, I edited it to reflect what I meant better. This isn't really an argument, I'd welcome your proving me wrong, I just don't want to go look for any more pictures.

who is that? i couldnt find anyone named that on their website???

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J/K

Tamba Hali = Eric Hicks, only selected earlier in the draft. The Chiefs should be actively seeking his replacement as a very high priority.

We're not going to have 4 linebackers. My God how many times can you people be told we aren't running a TRUE 3-4?????

not trying to prove you wrong, just sayin that when he has pads on his legs look small

Guardian is here to tell you how stupid you are for not seeing the greatness of Tamba Hali.

oh man, you guys.

Playing inside isn't about big legs and ass it's about center of gravity and hip explosion. You can have skinny legs and a big fat gut and be immovable. Or you can be 285 pounds and play nose tackle and be immovable if you understand leverages. Just being a big fat guy doesn't not make a good run stuffer. Warren Sapp was a big fat guy at various periods of his career and he was horrible at the point or at anchoring a gap. He couldn't do it. Yet La Roi Glover who was only 285 pounds played nose tackle in a 30 front and did a great job. It's because of understanding leverages in regards to those jobs, not because of a physical appearance. Sheesh.

Well at least Hicks had that one season where he had 14 sacks,Tamba will never get anything close to that.....

So you like to go with that whole, exceptions to the rule make rules not count thing.

So do you think Tank can play NT effectively?

Where did I say Tamba was great? I never claimed he would be Michael Strahan. In fact I laid it out in pretty good detail. Tamba is no where near as bad as you, assclown, claims.

I got a personal insult already, see how much I rule?

Just so you know 99% of this forum would be overjoyed if Tamba Hali never played another down for the Chiefs.

And you were bringing up Dwight Freeney of all people saying "oh he's like this"

He won't be asked to play a head up, two gap nose tackle. His weight has nothing to do with whether he can or can't play there effectively, it's whether he starts learning how to use proper leverage points and anchor correctly. You think that if Tank puts on 70 pounds all of a sudden he's going to turn into Jamal Williams?

So have you guys determined yet whose alt this is?

That's fine. About 100% of the people that post on message boards don't make that decision.

It was a simple question. I don't know where I implied that weight is all it takes.

It's a good question...one who obviously has an issue with me...

The only comparison I saw to Freeney was the injury comparison.

I DO

Why even use that comparison? Hali has never been that productive and if playing through injury means you literally can't do anything you shouldn't play.

I've seen that excuse for Hali so many times now, "Oh well he's injured". If he gets hurt that often that's a problem.

no he wasnt, he said that they had the same INJURY

Me too. Next year will probably be another year of learning, but I think he has the tools.

I'd also like to know what the same injury was since Freeneys production has really fallen off since he had the lis franc foot injury.

When an injury is similar, or has a similar impact, why wouldn't you use the comparison, as long as you're talking about the injury and not the players themeselves? Reading comprehension is the responsibility of the reader, not the poster.

he had a down year which is what guardian said

i really like tank always have i hope he keeps on keepin on

He also went into this big spiel of, Hali and Freeney are players that will play through injuries and hurt their production and this and that.

If a guy is so injured he literally can not do anything, he shouldn't be playing.

I'm gonna give everyone a chance to play some in the new D before I label anyone teh great, or teh suck.

he also said that freeney had a year with 3.5 sacks injured

Players do this all the time, they get paid so much money, that they force themselves to play. Some players shouldnt, but they still do. This goes in all sports. We have seen it over and over, guys going out there when they probably shouldnt be out there.

That's the coach's decision to make. You can NOT blame a guy for wanting to play. Especially with our black hole of depth.

See, this is where fans, and some teams, get it wrong. It's not up to the player to pull himself out at that point, other than his need to be honest with the team. If the player is trying to gut it out, it's up to the coaching staff and trainers to pull the plug if the guy's not able to get the job done. Blaming the player for that is idiotic.

I'm sure Tamba Hali is a nice dude and hard worker and all that but I don't see this great potential or ability.

Reminds me of Robert Ayers this year.

It's really hard for me to be positive about a player who isn't a great pass rusher that is also a liability against the run.

Oh come on, I saw Hali make a sack once in 2006. It was so great. He had another one later that same season!!!
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Well, this will be his last year in KC i believe if he doesn't figure something out. So we can look forward to that part. Hopefully he has the football smarts to figure out his place on the team and figures out what he can and cannot do.


Its not all that bad for him on this team in 09. Like i said, he plays like crap, he's gone and we look for his replacement. Maybe he will be drafted in the 4-5-6 rounds. NEver know.

Tamba has a place in the new hybrid scheme. He can get a slight edge and sometimes get the corner on RT's. Having an end there will help sometimes, too. He comes in on 2nd & long, 3rd & long, usually passrushing the rt but dropping like maybe 10-20%

Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy with the pick. But I don't think he's useless. rushing that side isn't that hard. Ideally we'd upgrade the #1 pass rusher, bump Vrabel to that spot, and have Hali as a backup.

That's fine. It also has nothing to do with anything I just posted.

Rushing from the strongside spot or the LDE spot isn't hard????? Is that what you just said?

Let me rephrase that. Relative to rushing from the RE spot, yes.

And I did say "isn't that hard"

Other than that he's fantastic!

Whatever he lacks in talent he makes up for by being injury prone.
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Ok you're cracking me up now, nice job.

Just for the record, here's my take on the front line/front 7 of the Chiefs for this upcoming season, and for the #3 draft pick. I posted it elsewhere today, but it will fit here, and it's based upon the idea of being unable to trade the pick away if that were the choice:

I guess the question would become whether or not K.C. thought Dorsey could play DE in the 3-4 and move about in "hybrid" formations.

I would think that a D-line with Raji and Dorsey, combined with having Thomas and Vrabel for linebackers, would be a good start for Pioli's first solo season. Combine that with Cassel Throwing to Bowe, Engram and Gonzalez, and Johnson running the ball when he's not abusing women, and K.C. could show some real improvement even if it doesn't translate to wins immediately.

On the other hand, if the Chiefs think Dorsey can hold up at NT, then putting Curry next to Thomas and Vrabel also makes a hell of a lot of sense, as Curry could learn from two of the very best in the game. To me, the K.C. pick really comes down to 2 things:

1.) Do the Chiefs think Cassel is the long term answer?

2.) Do the Chiefs think Dorsey can play NT?

If the answer to question #1 is no, look for them to draft Sanchez and let him sit for a year to learn the game. If the answer is yes, look for them to decide between Curry and Raji based upon question #2.





Of course, since I think I've got a feel for the situation, they'll trade out of the pick or draft a wide receiver.....

Ok rushing from the LDE position is generally harder than rushing from the RDE spot (if you are looking at those position from the defensive side of the ball).

Look at the top 10 sackers each year and tell me how many are playing the RDE spot like Jared, and how many are playing the LDE spot like Hali. It's really an apples and orange comparison because those two positions are being asked to do different things.

Tank has already gone on record as saying Dorsey will be playing the under tackle spot. I think that question has been pretty much answered.

What Tank says now and what actually happens are not guaranteed to be identical. It's not that I don't believe him, it's that I'm too familiar with the Parcells/Belichick tree maneuvers to bank on anything. My personal thought is that Raji makes the most sense for the Chiefs, but I'm not pretending to channel Pioli or anything, so I look at as many levels of alternatives as possible.

Hali is a nice 4-3 DE. Solid #2, excellent #3. When he is your main end and rushing the passer you are screwed. 3-4 he is a fish out of water.

Well I think he said that is what the coaches just told him. Since they lined up today it would be interesting to see if that is how they lined up.

Hmmmmm.......

Not again..................:cuss:

Take some time to read, that we are not going to be running a two gap 3-4 defense. Hali would essentially be playing the same position he has been.

It's easier to get sacks because they're rushing the blindside. But who pass blocks better LT's or RT's, this is pretty simple.

Teams put their best rusher on the weakside, of course that's where the top sackers are going to play. Just like teams generally like a run stopper with some ability to rush against RTs on the strongsidde.

I'm not equating a sack with beating an OT.

Yes, I'd want to see it in action leading up to the draft in order to get a feel for how it's working out. My guess is that Halioli already have their 3 choices at the ready and in order, and are also prepared for any trade scenarios, but someone stinking out the joint between now and then could potentially impact that.

It's not about who is the better pass blocker per say, it's also about what the defensive end is being asked to do. No different than the fact that ROLB's tend to get more sacks than LOLB's in a 30 front. It's not a coincidence and it has more to do with who is the better pass blocker. If it were about lining up the best pass rusher against the worst pass blocker, then why wouldn't Jared Allen go to LDE?

I haven't been able to find anything other than the fact that he stated they lined up in an under front. Which means a 1 gap system obviously, and since Pendergast runs an underfront hybrid 30 front, that's probably what they saw. Again, to those who don't understand, it really is just a 4-3 with a standup backer instead of a defensive end. Fact is, we have run some of this in the past when Jared Allen was here.

Yes, but that was really just transitory in Arizona, as they'll now likely make more of a firm commitment with Pendergast gone. The question in Kansas City is whether or not that will also be the case in K.C.

What do you think I don't understand? I think you must be misunderstanding something I said.

Nope. What I am saying is, the defensive alignment doesn't favor the guy playing LDE even if he is a good pass rusher for lots of reasons. There is only a couple of REALLY good guys that could tear it up rushing the passer from that side.

I totally agree, as far as getting sacks in concerned. The point I was trying to convey was that in any given play a right tackle is easier for a player to get by than a left tackle.

Although I don't really understand your second point, are you excluding players who couldn't play the run like a LE should? I think there are quite a few RE's out there to command constant double teams during passing situations if they placed at LE. Or they'd get a ton of hurries.

Tamba Hali doesn't exactly play the run like a LE should...

No question. I see almost no reason to ever put him in on first down.