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KCrockaholic 04-21-2009 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692734)
Maybe I'm weird but if I had a pick of WR and TE...I'd take Heyward-Bey and Cook over Crabtree and Coffman.

replace Bey with Harvin and that looks a little better IMO.

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5692735)
But you must admit he has better after the catch abilities than that report gave.

It's hard to really say, he's catching the ball and turning before anyone is there.

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5692736)
replace Bey with Harvin and that looks a little better IMO.

Uh no Darius is 4 inches taller.

Pablo 04-21-2009 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5692729)
probably. Havent you seen Peyton Hillis use it a lot as well? It seems the white guys like to try to jump over guys a lot and get creative.

It's not creative..it's dangerous.

In the league, that DB in the first highlight that comes in fucking weaksauce style after his jump and falls into his thigh is really already into his skull with the helmet to helmet, and he's out for the game. Bell officially rung.

I don't know why he does that shit..sure it works on college DB's, but it really just leaves you open for a killshot. You'd think he'd lower his shoulder and plow 'em down. He is 245 lbs after all.

Pablo 04-21-2009 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692734)
Maybe I'm weird but if I had a pick of WR and TE...I'd take Heyward-Bey and Cook over Crabtree and Coffman.

What about Nicks?

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:51 PM

Chase just didn't face the right team...he should go hurdling against this guy..

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Mecca 04-21-2009 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88 (Post 5692740)
What about Nicks?

I like Nicks but given the absolute choice I'd lean Bey ahead of him.

KCrockaholic 04-21-2009 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692742)
I like Nicks but given the absolute choice I'd lean Bey ahead of him.

You might secretly be Al Davis

Mecca 04-21-2009 11:56 PM

LOL, speed is extremely valuable at that position.

KCrockaholic 04-22-2009 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692746)
LOL, speed is extremely valuable at that position.

I was about to talk about how speed is often overrated in the WR position, but nevermind.

Pablo 04-22-2009 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5692751)
I was about to talk about how speed is often overrated in the WR position, but nevermind.

As long as you don't have stone hands, speed is pretty much never over-rated at the WR position.

I wish Dwayne Bowe ran like Usain Bolt, and caught the ball like Randy Moss.

Mecca 04-22-2009 12:05 AM

If you have great speed at the WR position, teams fear you, They design gameplans around that player.

ChiefsCountry 04-22-2009 12:07 AM

I think we should get Andre Woodson to play WR for us.

Pablo 04-22-2009 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5692756)
I think we should get Andre Woodson to play WR for us.

LOL. He's black. So he's really fast.

beer bacon 04-22-2009 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692640)
Honest question, what is special about Chase Coffman when going to the next level?

He is from the spread and isn't a great blocker...he's not overly large, he's not fast. What exactly is going to be his game at the next level?

Oh, I don't know...his ability as a receiver? What ****ing else would matter for a top flight TE? As a Big 12 fan I am going to laugh when Pettigrew and Freeman are drafted in the first round. What a joke.

beer bacon 04-22-2009 12:21 AM

Hahahah, yeah, just draft the TE with the fastest 40 time. Who needs Tony Gonzalez when you can grab Vernon Davis?

Mecca 04-22-2009 12:33 AM

Tony Gonzalez didn't run a shitty 40, if he did he wouldn't have been taken high.

KCrockaholic 04-22-2009 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692780)
Tony Gonzalez didn't run a shitty 40, if he did he wouldn't have been taken high.

Well trust me. He does now, and right now he is a slow possesion TE. The best I might add.

ShortRoundChief 04-22-2009 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692741)
Chase just didn't face the right team...he should go hurdling against this guy..

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Yep bill romanowski there is a bad ass. Nice cheap shot.

Mecca 04-22-2009 12:54 AM

I'm sorry it is not a cheap shot, he leads with his shoulder, and to top that off the Penn State guy ducks into the hit.

Guys like Ronnie Lott could have never played in todays game where any kind of big hit is a penalty.

ShortRoundChief 04-22-2009 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692800)
I'm sorry it is not a cheap shot, he leads with his shoulder, and to top that off the Penn State guy ducks into the hit.

Guys like Ronnie Lott could have never played in todays game where any kind of big hit is a penalty.

Was he penalized? Even the announcers said it was a cheap shot. I'm curious did he spit in his face when he was down.

Mecca 04-22-2009 12:59 AM

The announcer is wrong...I want to know what he did that was wrong, hit him?

If he had hit him helmet to helmet as the announcer claimed he would have killed him.

Mecca 04-22-2009 01:04 AM

Here are comments on the video on youtube...

NOT HELMET TO HELMET! :58, lead with his shoulders

yeah...bad call, great play...his helmet never touched the psu player...can they throw a penalty for a helmet to helmet on your teammate?

you know, it's actually norwood's fault for ducking down at the end of the play.

Mays had the right angle, as the receiver caught the ball he immediately lowered his body causing mays to hit him in the head instead of his mid section.

CoMoChief 04-22-2009 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692640)
Honest question, what is special about Chase Coffman when going to the next level?

He is from the spread and isn't a great blocker...he's not overly large, he's not fast. What exactly is going to be his game at the next level?

He's bigger than Tony G, probably faster and has great hands?

Tony G wasnt a good blocker coming out of college, never really got good at it til DV came here. Then he got a lot better at it.

You can teach blocking.

Pablo 04-22-2009 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5692815)
He's bigger than Tony G, probably faster and has great hands?

Tony G wasnt a good blocker coming out of college, never really got good at it til DV came here. Then he got a lot better at it.

You can teach blocking.

He isn't bigger than Tony.

He also isn't faster.

Mecca 04-22-2009 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 5692815)
He's bigger than Tony G, probably faster and has great hands?

Tony G wasnt a good blocker coming out of college, never really got good at it til DV came here. Then he got a lot better at it.

You can teach blocking.

You're describing Jared Cook now.

EyePod 04-22-2009 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692734)
Maybe I'm weird but if I had a pick of WR and TE...I'd take Heyward-Bey and Cook over Crabtree and Coffman.

Heyward-Bay's gonna be good, but man do I want Crabtree.

TommyHawk69 04-22-2009 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692822)
You're describing Jared Cook now.

Jared Cook = Faster Shannon Sharpe

the Talking Can 04-22-2009 06:14 AM

newspapers are dying and fatlock gets to write promotional copy for an agent and a family friend...

it makes sense now

Coogs 04-22-2009 07:40 AM

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Yeah, I know the Chiefs need toys for their 3-4 defense. I’d shop for Cassel first.
I probably agree with this statement more than anything in this article.

DaKCMan AP 04-22-2009 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5692622)
If we go tight end I want Cornielus Ingram from Florida. This is a selling papers story from Whitlock get the hometown kid pimped up.

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5692629)
If we dont take Coffman I would be very happy with this selection as well.

As long as people realize Ingram is a receiving TE. He isn't a good blocker and doesn't have a blocking TE frame. He runs very good routes, has excellent hands, good speed for a TE and is extremely athletic (was recruited as a QB and played on Florida's BBall team). Hopefully he's fully recovered and healthy.

Demonpenz 04-22-2009 08:06 AM

Coffman was a badass in college and I will enjoy that, the track record for Mizzou players hasn't been blazing so far in the pro's but I have no doubt he will work hard. I have my doubts about him being good in the pro's because he will actually have to fire out in 3 point stance and route run as a TE and not as a stand up slot player

KCrockaholic 04-22-2009 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 5693038)
As long as people realize Ingram is a receiving TE. He isn't a good blocker and doesn't have a blocking TE frame. He runs very good routes, has excellent hands, good speed for a TE and is extremely athletic (was recruited as a QB and played on Florida's BBall team). Hopefully he's fully recovered and healthy.

And that is exactly why I want him on our team. I dont want a great blocker as our starting TE. He can be good, sure. But I want someone who can make the middle of the field his. Ingram might be able to do that.

KCrockaholic 04-22-2009 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 5693049)
Coffman was a badass in college and I will enjoy that, the track record for Mizzou players hasn't been blazing so far in the pro's but I have no doubt he will work hard. I have my doubts about him being good in the pro's because he will actually have to fire out in 3 point stance and route run as a TE and not as a stand up slot player

I can think of one really, really good NFL TE from Mizzou.

Reaper16 04-22-2009 08:19 AM

JUSTIN GAGE

kcbubb 04-22-2009 08:46 AM

I got to watch Cook a few times and he was really good. I would love for the Chiefs to trade Tony to Atlanta IF they could get Cook with their 3rd round pick. The Chiefs would have two young TEs. And both would be pretty talented.

Coffman looks like he has pretty good hands but he looks too much like Cottam to me, except Cottam is bigger and faster. Cottam didn't catch as many balls in college bc of injuries but he did show that he has pretty good hands. Cottam does have big time potential. Didn't he run like a 4.7 or something. That's really fast for 6'7" 270.

I don't see us picking a TE this year unless we trade Gonzo. How many TEs do you want on the roster??? And most of the the time, the 3rd TE has to be able to be a back up fullback.

alpha_omega 04-22-2009 08:59 AM

Jeff George will be heartbroken.... Fatlock has a new lover.

Hootie 04-22-2009 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692734)
Maybe I'm weird but if I had a pick of WR and TE...I'd take Heyward-Bey and Cook over Crabtree and Coffman.

I really think Crabtree is going to be a legit #1 WR...but those videos of Cook you posted makes him look like a serious badass.

HemiEd 04-22-2009 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5692586)
That has to be the most ridiculous, idiotic, mind-bending, WTF? asking piece of tripe I've ever read.

The incredibly small fraction of respect I had for Whitlock as a writer has officially left the building.

:shake:

I am surprised you had any, I sure don't.

Demonpenz 04-22-2009 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5693066)
I can think of one really, really good NFL TE from Mizzou.

please state on from modern times, which the game is more about pussy, money, drugs, and money, and fame

Coogs 04-22-2009 09:24 AM

If Chase has his dad's drive, the dude is going to be good. Maybe not a HOF'er, but good none the less.

Sweet Daddy Hate 04-22-2009 09:32 AM

Who gives a flying **** what Shitlock wants?!

Mr. Krab 04-22-2009 09:35 AM

If Coffman falls to us in the 3rd round i would take him but i just don't think we are in a position to take him any higher because of other needs.

beer bacon 04-22-2009 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5693172)
I got to watch Cook a few times and he was really good. I would love for the Chiefs to trade Tony to Atlanta IF they could get Cook with their 3rd round pick. The Chiefs would have two young TEs. And both would be pretty talented.

Coffman looks like he has pretty good hands but he looks too much like Cottam to me, except Cottam is bigger and faster. Cottam didn't catch as many balls in college bc of injuries but he did show that he has pretty good hands. Cottam does have big time potential. Didn't he run like a 4.7 or something. That's really fast for 6'7" 270.

I don't see us picking a TE this year unless we trade Gonzo. How many TEs do you want on the roster??? And most of the the time, the 3rd TE has to be able to be a back up fullback.

Coffman has great hands and great feet. He has great body coordination all around.

HC_Chief 04-22-2009 09:43 AM

Coffman would be a great addition.

I would also be very pleased if we drafted Cornelius Ingram (TE, FL)

Priest31kc 04-22-2009 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by beer bacon (Post 5693296)
Coffman has great hands and great feet. He has great body coordination all around.

yeah Cottam has the better speed and is a better blocker, but he doesnt compare to Coffman in receiving skills. Coffman has exceptional hands, body control, and focus. He would be a huge red zone threat along w/ D Bowe.

kepp 04-22-2009 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5692628)
It'll be hard to be better when he's hurt all the time. Frankly I'd have a real hard time drafting a guy who couldn't stay on the field in college, he has MAJOR durability issues.

Yes, because you can become the #1 all time pass-catching TE in the NCAA by not being able to stay on the field. And in another post you said he wasn't athletic...huh? Have you seen him catching the ball or getting YAC yardage? Your statements are uninformed at best. You probably wanted Vernon Davis, didn't you? Is he the best TE in the draft based on your "measurables"? No, but he will end up being in the top 3 after a couple years.

HC_Chief 04-22-2009 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by kepp (Post 5693311)
Yes, because you can become the #1 all time pass-catching TE in the NCAA by not being able to stay on the field. And in another post you said he wasn't athletic...huh? Have you seen him catching the ball or getting YAC yardage? Your statements are uninformed at best. You probably wanted Vernon Davis, didn't you? Is he the best TE in the draft based on your "measurables"? No, but he will end up being in the top 3 after a couple years.

Don't mind Mecca, he just hates anything and everything Big XII.

Mr. Krab 04-22-2009 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief (Post 5693318)
Don't mind Mecca, he just hates anything and everything Big XII.

This

milkman 04-22-2009 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Krab's (Post 5693275)
If Coffman falls to us in the 3rd round i would take him but i just don't think we are in a position to take him any higher because of other needs.

The Chiefs can find a center, guard, or RT in the third round.

TE is a low priority position, with or without Tony Gonzalez.

I was pissed last year when the Chiefs took Cottam with Jeremy Zuttah still on the board.

Mr. Krab 04-22-2009 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5693336)
I was pissed

You'll be pissed no matter what, remember?

Al Bundy 04-22-2009 10:01 AM

Chase Coffman will be a Raider..... I hate that almost as much as seeing my UCF guy Marshall as a Donk.

Al Bundy 04-22-2009 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5693336)
The Chiefs can find a center, guard, or RT in the third round.

TE is a low priority position, with or without Tony Gonzalez.

I was pissed last year when the Chiefs took Cottam with Jeremy Zuttah still on the board.

Zuttah isn't any good. You missed nothing.

Demonpenz 04-22-2009 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Priest31kc (Post 5693308)
yeah Cottam has the better speed and is a better blocker, but he doesnt compare to Coffman in receiving skills. Coffman has exceptional hands, body control, and focus. He would be a huge red zone threat along w/ D Bowe.

what are you basing "he's a better blocker" on? Not really looking to pick on it, but on college or the 10 plays he has played in the nfl

Mr. Krab 04-22-2009 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 5693356)
what are you basing "he's a better blocker" on? Not really looking to pick on it, but on college or the 10 plays he has played in the nfl

It's because Coffman wasn't asked to block much in college so people just figure he can't. Coffman has plenty off size and is a quality worker. I don't see any reason why he won't develop into a solid blocker at the very least.

Jerm 04-22-2009 10:07 AM

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In the interest of full disclosure, let me inform you that I’m friends with Coffman and his dad, Paul Coffman, the old Chiefs and Green Bay Packers tight end. Chase is represented by NFL superagent Tom Condon, another friend of mine. And, finally, Chase was a college roommate of Blake May, who can best be described as my adopted little brother.

You might argue that I have bias in favor of Chase Coffman.
End of article.

milkman 04-22-2009 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight (Post 5693350)
Zuttah isn't any good. You missed nothing.

Zuttah is a bit of a project, and he isn't a good fit for a team like the Bucs, who are a conservative power run oriented team.

Zuttah is a guy with nice athleticism and quicks, has shorter arms than you would like, and needs to hit the weight room and add some strength.

But with some work and development, he could be a good pulling guard, and even though he does have short arms, with good technique, because of his athleticism, he could compete at RT.

HC_Chief 04-22-2009 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5693390)
Zuttah is a bit of a project, and he isn't a good fit for a team like the Bucs, who are a conservative power run oriented team.

Zuttah is a guy with nice athleticism and quicks, has shorter arms than you would like, and needs to hit the weight room and add some strength.

But with some work and development, he could be a good pulling guard, and even though he does have short arms, with good technique, because of his athleticism, he could compete at RT.

No worries... Albert will be at RT soon :p

Al Bundy 04-22-2009 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5693390)
Zuttah is a bit of a project, and he isn't a good fit for a team like the Bucs, who are a conservative power run oriented team.

Zuttah is a guy with nice athleticism and quicks, has shorter arms than you would like, and needs to hit the weight room and add some strength.

But with some work and development, he could be a good pulling guard, and even though he does have short arms, with good technique, because of his athleticism, he could compete at RT.

Bucs are switching to a ZBS. I am hoping THIS is more geared towards him. I actually really like him, it was just last year the OL coaches were so awful he looked a lot worse than he really was when he played in place of Joseph.

KCrockaholic 04-22-2009 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight (Post 5693347)
Chase Coffman will be a Raider..... I hate that almost as much as seeing my UCF guy Marshall as a Donk.

They will have already picked their Missouri Tigers by then. Maclin.

KCrockaholic 04-22-2009 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 5693244)
please state on from modern times, which the game is more about pussy, money, drugs, and money, and fame

I was actually going to be a smartass and say Kellen Winslow.

milkman 04-22-2009 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight (Post 5693433)
Bucs are switching to a ZBS. I am hoping THIS is more geared towards him. I actually really like him, it was just last year the OL coaches were so awful he looked a lot worse than he really was when he played in place of Joseph.

Zuttah will still need to add strength and improve his technique, but he should excel in a ZBS.

Demonpenz 04-22-2009 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Krab's (Post 5693371)
It's because Coffman wasn't asked to block much in college so people just figure he can't. Coffman has plenty off size and is a quality worker. I don't see any reason why he won't develop into a solid blocker at the very least.

well what I want to know is what people are basing cottoms ability to block on. Sure he could block Tech Technical of the southwest schools all day long, but he has play 10 downs in the nfl. That is enough, along with coach speak, to say he is a good blocker?

htismaqe 04-22-2009 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief (Post 5693400)
No worries... Albert will be at RT soon :p

You're not funny.

Mr. Krab 04-22-2009 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 5693518)
well what I want to know is what people are basing cottoms ability to block on. Sure he could block Tech Technical of the southwest schools all day long, but he has play 10 downs in the nfl. That is enough, along with coach speak, to say he is a good blocker?

I don't know. I haven't seen much of anything from Cottam yet.

HC_Chief 04-22-2009 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5693626)
You're not funny.

ROFL

htismaqe 04-22-2009 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Krab's (Post 5693655)
I don't know. I haven't seen much of anything from Cottam yet.

Primarily because he's playing behind Tony. Reports out of TC and such were pretty good...

Mecca 04-22-2009 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kepp (Post 5693311)
Yes, because you can become the #1 all time pass-catching TE in the NCAA by not being able to stay on the field. And in another post you said he wasn't athletic...huh? Have you seen him catching the ball or getting YAC yardage? Your statements are uninformed at best. You probably wanted Vernon Davis, didn't you? Is he the best TE in the draft based on your "measurables"? No, but he will end up being in the top 3 after a couple years.

Do you think he's athletic in comparison to Jared Cook?

And he does have durability issues.

Extra Point 04-23-2009 09:06 PM

This is the article to which I truly respond:

Finally, Fatback got it right!


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