LOL

Funny you don't remember this since he was responding to YOU in this thread. Maybe you're just trying to be a douche? IDK.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...t=round&page=6

Oh, and I did find a reply from milkman in that thread when someone specifically asked him what he thought of Duke. Since you listed him as one of the people who's opinion matters for some reason:

Do you need more proof?

I guess you don't understand the word "advocating".

None of these guys were waving the flag for Duke Robinson. When asked, they made comments. They weren't screaming for him in the second round, etc. And Milkman said he has a "chance" to be a helluva guard, when asked. Not that he IS a helluva guard.

Big difference.

Admit defeat and move on. This is just embarrassing.

ROFL

Defeat?

Do you know what's embarrassing? The fact that a pussy like you makes stupid ****ing posts that constantly bash others for their opinion, yet bring nothing to the table.

THAT'S embarrassing.

Laugh all you want, Moron.

ROFL

Wow...not too many Colin Brown fans around here huh?

I am still of the opinion that a draft can't be graded for 3 seasons.

I dunno..he's enormous. Easily the biggest guy on our roster, and he's smart and has a mean streak. I think everyone is just pissed on the round he was drafted in, and not the actual pick. If we take him in the 6th round,or with any of our 3 7th rounders I don't think anyone is complaining.

It's just the general consensus that there were a ton of "better" options available at the time. In all honesty, it's a 5th round pick FFS. It doesn't matter who you pick up in the 5th, they're pretty much gonna flame out the majority of the time.

Anything past round 3 is pretty much a gamble.

This is absolutely false.

Bad teams don't do a good job of drafting beyond the first three rounds.

Good teams do it every single draft. Whether it's the Eagles, Giants, Ravens, Patriots or Steelers, every one of those teams draft extremely well throughout the entire draft and is the main reason why those teams vie for championships each and every year.

Shitty teams like the Raiders, Chiefs, Lions, etc. continually draft poorly or don't make good use of the draft (i.e. via trades, etc.).

There was a times when the NFL draft extended through 8 rounds and even 12 rounds. UDFA's are extremely important as well.

Really people are pissed because the Chiefs took a guy in the 5th who they could have signed as a rookie Free Agent instead. There was still some good players at that spot we could of had instead...

Nobody really knows who would fall and who wouldn't. A day after the Raiders took their 2nd round pick that Kiper and everyone else said was a 7th rounder or UDFA, the news broke that Chicago was on the phone telling the kid they were going to take him in the 2nd.

i have heard these rumors, do you have a link to support them?? one which cites the source of the info please

Later in the week during a draft wrap up show, Kiper said that Chicago is denying they ever told the kid they would take him in the second and said they had planned on looking at him in the 5th. May be damage control - who knows? :shrug:

sounds like damage control by the raiders to me

anyone else think it was kinda funny how CP said he almost traded up for Turk McBride when in reality Cleveland jumped us to get Eric Wright, who many would've guessed would've been our pick. I think he was worried it looked like a reach so to remove the pick from scrutiny he claimed their evaluation was so high they were tempted to trade up, when in reality it would've made no sense unless they hated Wright(doubt it).

usatoday:

Criticism of Raiders' second-round pick off-base?
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The Raiders have taken some criticism among draft analysts for selecting Ohio safety Michael Mitchell with the 47th overall pick. (They also surprised many by taking Maryland WR Darrius Heyward-Bey with the seventh pick.)

Several analysts said on ESPN and the NFL Network last night that they knew little about Mitchell. The NFLN's Mike Mayock suggested Mitchell was a late-round pick at best.

But it turns out the Raiders may have had good reason to select Mitchell at 47. The Bears told Mitchell they planned to take him with the 49th overall pick.

"When (the Bears) did that, I was like, 'I'm going to be a Chicago Bear,' " Mitchell told reporters in a conference call. "That's what I was thinking."

Bears GM Jerry Angelo ended up trading the 49th pick to Seattle after Mitchell went to Oakland. He didn't confirm his interest in Mitchell, but acknowledged he missed out on his target player.

"Unfortunately the players we targeted at 49 did not fall to us," Angelo told reporters, "and we weren't in a position that we were able to move up -- we just didn't have enough."
Hat tip: Chicago Tribune

Let me know when saying "I think he's a sure thing" isn't advocating for a guy.

Just because Chicago was considering taking him there doesn't justify the stupidity of the pick.

Do you honestly believe that had Scott Pioli been in Oakland's position - where a guy he had rated as a very late round prospect was supposedly in danger of being taken in the 2nd round - that he would have completely ignored not only his draft board, but the value that goes with a 2nd round pick, all because Chicago might take him 4-5 rounds early?

No.

Way.

In.

Hell.

Who says Oakland ignored their draft board? It is possible that NFL teams actually disagree with Mayock and Kiper (and thus 99% of all the other internet gurus who copy them). It is possible that 2 NFL teams had him rated as a 2nd round talent.

well, given that Pioli has already been declared a failure and his draft a disgrace...wouldn't your answer be "yes"?

Need a towel, Dane? Or do you enjoy people pissing all over you?

LMAO

What the **** are you talking about?

You're just another in a long line of pricks who don't add a ****ing thing to the Draft Forum. You just chastise and criticize others for their opinions and beliefs.

**** you, your Mother, your Father, your brothers, your sisters (I did) and anyone that looks like you.

****ing miserable ****.

Who said "He's a sure thing"?

So.. about those draft grades.

What happened to Judah?

:LOL:

He's lost in a slanket filled with Lemon farts.

Colin Brown FTW!

F
F
F
F
F
F
A+

COLIN BROWN

COLIN BLOW

I'll ignore where they were drafted, ie slot value, and just rate them for us.


1. DE Tyson Jackson, LSU - B
3. DE Alex Magee, Purdue - B

we got arguably the best two 3-4 defensive ends in the draft in a year when we, and others, are converting to a 3-4 defense. Nice job for need.

4. CB Donald Washington, Ohio State - B-

Not particular fast but athletic. Not unlike Flowers. Well still need a burner in our secondary imo but Washington has potential to be another solid addition to our cornerback corp. Character concerns

5. OT Cody Brown, Missouri - C+

If he can challenge for a starting spot at right tackle he would be a huge addition.

6. WR Quinten Lawrence, McNeese State - B

A impact playmaker who will probably be a returner 1st and a WR 2nd.

7. RB Javarris Williams, Tennessee State - C

Not a guy who will impress you on paper, Not fast or big etc but is a strong runner who could make the squad if the Chiefs decide to cut LJ.

Mecca did http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthrea...6&#post5710176

Then he changed his tune from earlier in the offseason because I'd seen him say he didn't like Robinson or Loadholdt repeatedly.

He was talking about a 3rd round pick in that post, nothing higher.

Then again, how often do guards go before the 3rd in a draft that isn't lacking talent at the top?

Bump for a laugh

LOL .

damn im good

The shame of it is, it's still not funny.

I'll eat some crow on Succop, however. Dude was our ****ing offensive MVP this season.

I don't see much to laugh about there. Guess I was wrong about Succop.

It goes to show that the team will likely draft players that makes nobody happy in the end. Sanchez, Curry, OL, pass rusher, etc. No matter what camp you were in for the first 4 rounds or so, you were disappointed. Similarly, for the most part people liked some of Herm's drafts where Dorsey, Tank and Turk were considered good players and good value picks.

nobody has impressed thus far but it's still too early to judge ... especially on a guy like Colin Brown who was hurt.

All it shows right now is that the team was wrong and had a horrid draft.

(subject to change, of course)

I don't think this is funny, at all.

Besides the fact that picks 1, 2 and 3 sucked ass, with the exception of Succop, the rest of the draft sucked as well.

If the Chiefs had taken Murphy in the 4th and Ellison in the 6th along with Succop, it would have been much easier to live with blowing the day one picks.

All I can say is that they'd better pull a rabbit out of the hat in the 2010 draft, or this team is going to continue to be stuck in neutral for the foreseeable future.

FYP

Thanks for fixing my post.

LMAO

Sure, hate on a guy who put his opinion out there and dared to be optimistic.

It is way too ****ing easy to be pessimistic, to snipe, to keep your opinions to yourself for fear that the Draft Gods or Haters will trounce your opinion until it's irrelevent to everybody but your mother.

I'm not going to just shit out happy thoughts and pray. I genuinely thought this was a good Draft, and TO BE FAIR, virtually every single one of these picks were projects, something which I hadn't anticipated on Draft Day. Jackson and Succop are the ONLY players from this Draft that were readymade.

So no, the jury is still out a couple more years. And I could still be wrong. But I'm not going to resign to blind pessimism simply because it's easier to be that way.

I wanted Orakpo instead of TJ, but beyond the first round I got nothing.

The bump wasn't aimed at you. I was just looking for an initial reaction thread. Between now and the draft there will be 100s of posts about how stupid other people are for wanting X, Y, Z instead of A, B, C. In all likelihood everyone will be disappointed at the end of the day.

Disappointed with the Chiefs selections or with the rookie seasons of guys the Chiefs passed on?

I'd have more respect for this post if it

A) acknowledged that you gave the Chiefs a C- for their 2008 draft

B) acknowledged that the "perpetual pessimists" were up in arms with joy over the 2008 draft.

All you have is hope.

The bottom line is that outside of Mr. Irrelevant, this draft ****ing sucked ass.

The bottom line is that when the organization makes a move that people think is good, the so-called "haters" give them praise.

Just because 90+% of the moves are bad doesn't make them haters, it makes them aware of the fact that the moves are bad.

I fail to see why I should give some no-neck **** like Pioli, who's making millions of dollars a year, a ****ing participation ribbon because he makes a move. If it sucks, it sucks, and should be characterized as such.

A) is sort of odd to me.

The dude gives the 2008 draft a C- when everyone was RAVING about how excellent we made out, and then when everyone talks about how terrible our 2009 draft was he comes out with some good grades...

Sounds like a case of attention whoring to me. I don't like it when people don't call them how they see it...I may be wrong at times but at least I call them how I see them.

I gave a C- for their first day. I was happy about the Chiefs' second day. But forget it.

Being an optimist doesn't always mean you're happy with what the team does. Being a pessimist doesn't always mean you're unhappy with what the team does.

Unlike you guys, I understand I literally have nothing to gain from being right, and nothing to gain from being wrong. I've been dead wrong on this Draft so far, but I do what you do. I put in my time reading and watching, I wager my best guesses, I try to stay consistent and organic with my preferences, and then hope the Chiefs are right.

I do it more openly than most (one year I had a running total of the top five players available throughout the entire mock), so I'm a lightning rod for the laziest kind of criticism. To mock me for that is ridiculous.

Damn ****ing straight.

If that's wrong, then as the expression goes, I don't want to be right.

I'm not giving anybody Special Olympics ribbons. For a guy who's claiming to be mischaracterized, you'd doing a truckload of it yourself.

Talk to the guys I debated with ALL OFFSEASON about how consistent that first day Draft grade was. Mecca, OTW, milkman -- we had tons of debates over it.

I really liked the Dorsey pick, but I would have preferred Sedrick Ellis. Which I said.

I really hated the Albert pick, because converting a guard to tackle, especially trading up for it, was such a risky proposition I wanted no part of it in a rebuilding year. Milkman and I went 100 rounds on it.

I was incredibly hesitant about the Flowers selection because of what I thought were character concerns. And I said so, Mecca criticized me for it.

My takes typically have always run counter to what a lot of people's, but I've worked for and earned a reputation for being as straightforward with my preferences as anybody here.

1) I don't claim to be mischaracterized
2) You can't bitch about people being pessimists who always gripe about stuff when on the occasions that the franchise does things they agree with, they praise it for it.
3) You can't categorize yourself as an optimist in a feeble and transparent attempt to martyr yourself and expect people to take you seriously.

FWIW, the height of irony is Dshun claiming that he's being mischaracterized when he's making the completely idiotic claim that people would rather the Chiefs do poorly and they be right then vice versa.

It's a piss poor derivative of the "you aren't working for X" claim. If you want WPI, where every move is celebrated, then ****ing go there. I was under the impression that the purpose of this forum was to state your opinion and back up those claims with evidence, and it hasn't exactly taken a spelunking expedition to find reasons for concern about this regime.

I spent an hour during the 2008 draft defending the selection of Jamaal Charles...yet I'm supposedly the most pessimistic "bad fan" around here.

There's a lot more foundation on this team from that lone draft than there is from any move Pioli has made so far, seems pretty easy to see why Pioli is heavily scrutinized for these moves he makes.

Unless of course you just want to praise everything and not look at anything with any kind of critical thinking.

I spent an hour during the 2008 draft defending the selection of Jamaal Charles...yet I'm supposedly the most pessimistic "bad fan" around here.

There's a lot more foundation on this team from that lone draft than there is from any move Pioli has made so far, seems pretty easy to see why Pioli is heavily scrutinized for these moves he makes.

Unless of course you just want to praise everything and not look at anything with any kind of critical thinking.

I can't wait until this year's draft rolls around and people start up the Pioli is executive of the decade call again.

After the abortion he had last year, no one should give him a pass on any pick this year. He better improve, or we're ****ed.

It's going to be just like it was last year....this mofo is going to get the longest grace period ever.