Yeah, all it tells me is that Leinart doesn't have the "want it", the fire that drives a guy to be the best. So he may turn out to be a decent QB, but you probably know he'll never be a great one. If he were, he could have beaten Warner out, like Steve Young beating out Joe Montana. Instead, the Cards decide to bring back a QB on his last legs...

And even if you want to play that game... cassel played behind tom brady, a better qb than warner.
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Perhaps, on the other hand it is a pro style offense and they do have some of the best talent in the country, and he gets to practice against it every day.

I think physically we know Sanchez has most of the tools. It appears he has the intangibles and the work ethic to make a name for himself in this league, and that's the key in my estimation. That's why I'm excited about Cassel as well, by all accounts he hits the film room hard and is an outstanding leader. Whether that translates on the field, and whether the teams they are on can put good talent around them to succeed is the big question in my mind. I think both guys are going to struggle early with their new teams, but if they have those intangibles, they have a shot at being good. The one thing we know about Cassel is that he's resilient, and put up with a lot of adversity, so if this year is tough in KC, I can see him pulling through that. I don't know if Sanchez has been through that adversity yet, so I don't know how he would react if things fall apart in New York and the media turns on him...

What about how sanchez couldn't beat out booty his sophomore year? He didn't have the drive either?
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Heh. This thread is... Funny.

I don't hate the kid. I think he has a lot of talent. I actually feel sorry for him. He is going into a horrible situation. He has 16 games at USC and is going to NY with the pressure and media with DICK for an established QB. If he does get to sit, it is not going to be for long. And sitting is just what he needs. Wish him luck.

That being said, when the Chiefs play the Jets, I will pray for the fires of hell to reign down death, destruction, and rape on his family.
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At USC, all QB's are talented, and they're not getting fat contracts. The coach is going to give one guy the nod, and if Carrol feels Sanchez wasn't ready for the NFL, he was probably going to give him more seasoning in College before giving him a starting job.

At the NFL level, Leinart is getting paid a lot of money, and like it's been mentioned, Warner was at the tail end and a lot of people thought he was nothing more than a backup at this point. But he obviously had the fire to compete by all accounts, and he went out there and took it.

Not saying it's too late for Leinart, maybe he's learning something from Warner, but I didn't hear stories about how Leinart was texting Haley all the time and in his ear all the time trying to get better...

I'm not sure why I should even CARE about Sanchez anymore. It's over and it's done with.

I actually feel sorry for the kid, because he went to a team and a city where the expectations will be unreal and the pressure will be on a whole different level.

I'm going to be watching him every Sunday. I won't be able to root against the guy. My whole family are Jets fans so I hope he does well and they do well as a team. Except when they play he Chiefs, of course.

It's a tough situation for Sanchez, and ideally he should sit. But, to be honest, Favre cost them a bunch of games last year. They might have been much better off with a game manager. Ryan has said from day 1 they will be a run first team. That should take some of the pressure off of Sanchez.

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0:22-0:25-- hat gheyness.

Goodell should have messed with the fans and said they select Brett Rhomar.

I wonder if he'll get wasted during a game sometime and when erin andrews interviews him he'll say "i wanna kiss youuu" while slurring his speech and tryin to grope her

I'd probably be like that if I was sober.
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Next year, he'll have a comedian stand in for him.

How terrible!!! USC can't produce a sure-shot every ****ing season!!!!
Go fist yourself.

That's the Matt Ryan formula.

The question is whether or not the media and fans in NYC will ALLOW that. I don't think they will.

Please tell me the Chiefs aren't playing the Jets this year.
The Broody Bunch will be wearing green all week and rooting for the J-E-T-S.
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I think you're right.

If I'm Sanchez, I include comments about learning the speed of the game, getting used to the Pro game, and continuing to develop skills every time I talk. And I'd be in Rex's ear for the same thing.
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One thing about it, the Jets took a talent to pair with him in the backfield. Shonn Greene is exactly the type of runner they need to run ball-control and take some pressure off of Sanchez.

They tried that last year, but then bought into the "OMGZ YOU TRADEDEDED FOR BRETT FAVREZ" bullshit and started throwing INTs all over the field. In fact, they almost lost to the Chiefs on account of it. Even when Favre got broken, they didn't change the gameplan.

It sounds good in the offseason, but they wavered once.
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Their new coach probably isn't as reeruned as the old one.

There ya' go; turn it in to a Chiefs versus Jets argument now.
Ass Hat.

LMAO

Gah. I forgot this is Ryan's first year. It seems like so long ago that Mangini was shitcanned.
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I hope Sanchez sucks. I hope the QB the Jets have after Sanchez's horrid career sucks. I hope that the overpaid, bloated, highly touted and high draft position that then starts for the Jets turns out to erase the name of Ryan Leaf from the annals of quarterbacking failures by his overwhelming stupidity and incompetence.

And I hope the same for every Jets player for the entire length of their tenure as Jets.

Oh, and Dolphins players too.

And Raiders.

and Colts.

Donx are on suspension from hatred for so long as McDaniels is their coach.

I hope Brady gets his other knee popped.

By Bernard Pollard.

Why?

Because he's a former Patriot?

Or because you know he's in WAY over his head and they're not going to be a threat as long as he's there?

ROFL

Your hatred of the donks was replaced with donk fan hatred of the donks.
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Much better??? MUCH?????

I think I touched a nerve.

Well, they did chant "Ryan Leaf, Ryan Leaf" when he went to talk to Rich and the guys at the draft.

LMAO SO true

ROFL

I usually hope every player that isn't a Chief, sucks.

Mmm...too bad we can't bet actual cold, hard cash on this site; I see a lot of fools for the taking.

Soon people in NYC won't need to ride the subway. They will be able to fly from the joy that is Mark Sanchez.
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Will there be a DVD of the legendary NCAA career of Mark Sanchez. He simply changed the game of football as we know with his excellence.
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Will there be a "Legends of the Internet Ass Hat" DVD collection featuring the Super Bowl-level ass-hattery of Pioli Zombie?
Would anyone even PAY for such a god-awful piece of shit, or will it simply be given away with every subscription to 'Football Ass Hat Monthly'???

LMAO! Seriously do you know about anything or do you just wait for hamas or mecca to say something before you cosign? Because you don't a single thing to these little discussions. Answer me this: why will sanchez be successful?
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Having posted these reasons 952.75 times, I will now ask YOU to get off your heiny, go to the archives, and find out for yourself.

And just so you know, Hamas, Mecca, and a few others were backing Stafford when I started pimping Sanchez back in October. They knew about him of course, but they didn't believe at that time that he would declare.
I didn't give a ****. I saw the talent, and pimped it as an alternative to a prospect( Stafford )who I felt didn't have anywhere near the polish at the time.
So run along, and do your OWN work if it means that much to you.
And don't talk shit about what I do or do NOT know, when you don't seem to have a merry, blue, ****ing clue yourself.

I like McDaniels. Just as I had to suspend hatred of Notre Dame for as long as Weis is there, I have to do it for McDaniels because those teams aren't really my teams' blood rivals or anything. I just sort of randomly started hating them for a variety of reasons a long time ago.

For now, they're in the land of ambivalence.

Whereas, I had to go from liking the Browns (upgrade from normal ambivalence) due to Romeo being there, and now have to hate them (due to Mangina being there). Once Mangina flames out, Browns revert to ordinary ambivalence again.

I have complicated sports rooting relationships. :D

I hope sanchez does awesome and makes pioli look like a dick, because it's more important for me to look awesome at drafting than the team I so called like be good

No one is stopping you from making a wager involving cold hard cash dude.

Make a bet if you want to. But just like Casino Cash, you have to collect.
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I hope he does as well as Cassel! :shrug:

But you bring up a good point. Only on Chiefs Planet can you hear so much bullshit from Kool-Aid drinkers that the hate actually starts to rub off on certain aspects/personnel of your own team.

I look at this way; I now have three teams to follow and be interested in this season, and hopefully one of them will actually be worth a **** this year.

And there's the crux; there's no way to collect.

I have a very strong feeling that the Jets will not give him a opportunity to sit the bench for about 20 regular season games, and get used to the NFL, and will ruin him, by putting him out there too soon.

You need to raise some Casino Cash so you can pay me when you lose our bet.

Seeing as how it's a two season-as starter bet, that won't be a problem.

Seeing as how you've accumulated no cash, it might be.

Edit: I fully expect him to win the job in camp too. There's just no one on the Jets roster to stop him, which will be his downfall, as it would have been had we picked him.

I think if the Seahags would have picked him, he would have panned out.

I'll guess we'll see when we get there then.

Plenty of time. That's for sure.

Yep.

Aaaah, back in October. So you knew Sanchez would be a Pro Bowl QB after he started 4 games in college.

Ok, sure.

I'm sure everyone buys that.
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raised on leadpaintchips will never be here in 2 years....IP ban will be here long before the conclusion of that wager.

His last post revealed him as the biggest ****ing phony on the board.

I am SO rooting for Sanchez to suck just for the laughs on here.
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Disagreement is a very useful tool in life to drive improvement and progress.

Yet disagreement is seen as an unpleasant state of affairs by most people and the media as well and therefor it is often suppressed as much as possible and as long as possible. People rather bite their tongue than to express disagreement and that leads to a lot of unexpressed disagreement that keeps building up steam under the surface.

On all things in life where there is agreement or there is unexpressed disagreement, improvement is zero.

Expressing disagreement is vastly better than not expressing it. Agreeing to disagree is an agreeable method to more pleasantly deal with disagreement because the disagreement is at least aired and there is not the requirement that the disagreement is eliminated by insisting to settle on compromise. The disagreeing party has at least expressed the points of disagreement so that the other party at least knows that there is in fact disagreement and can now evaluate the issues that are causing the disagreement and perhaps improve the situation by making some changes.

Ageeing to disagree does not require the very nasty confrontations that are created by those that insist that there must be agreement on all issues at all times and that they will forcefeed their point of view without the consideration on issues that agreeing to disagree allows for. My way or the highway attitudes are not part of agreeing to disagree.

The consequences of unexpressed disagreement

The consequences of unexpressed disagreement are far-reaching and poorly understood by the vast majority. Most of unexpressed disagreement leads to an accumulation of many small unexpressed disagreements into very powerful large disagreements of explosive proportion. That method of not dealing with small disagreements leads to lawsuits, bussiness breakups, divorce and even angry acts of violence.

Agreeing to disagree does not at all propose agreement on a force-fed compromise. On the contrary, it proposes that there be a forum for all disagreement so that it can be aired and be known to the other parties for their evaluation, but without the requirement or need for ultimate agreement.

Agreeing to disagree can be seen as a method of being able to air opposing views without the intolerant insistence on agreement.

The concept of agreeing to disagree is a hard thing to "sell" because human nature is very insistent on the popular methods of wanting to appear pleasant not wanting to be disagreeable and wanting to save all disagreement to a point where it attains critical mass to a point where the smallest spark will cause a catastrophic explosion.

Appeasement, compromise, pleasant appearances, unexpressed resentment and the like are all the methods preferred by most that then result in larger disagreements that are too complicated to overcome without a "war".

In Holland they have a saying: "Weak doctors create festering wounds". This means that if a person is unwilling to deal with cleaning a small scrape wound for fear of causing more pain, that this small wound may grow into a festering one if not properly dealt with right away.

I see you are incapable of reading at an adult level. I see you have completely misconstrued what I said in order to attempt to make a point. I say "attempt to make a point", because you are incapable of actually making a point.

Why are you a moron?

%(/ Shut it.

Working 3rd shift at the glory hole sure makes raisedonpaintchips crabby.

I subcontracted one of your illegal workers from El Salvador for that gig.

My thoughts as well

Well, he can always call Jesus GM or 1st Messiah Cassel for a blessing I suppose.

In NY?....He's gonna need it. The fans will be calling for his head by week 6.

Perhaps he and Cutler can make a Holy Pilgrimage to the Offices at OAD and get a discount blessing from the Holy One; Chicago fans and press will be none the kinder.

Did Darth Raised John the Baptist claim to announce the greatness of Mark Sanchez in October 2008 when the Lord of USC had only played about 4 college games or didn't he?
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Agree to disagree.

Some of us have very strong feelings one way or another in this situation. I'm sure people are getting sick of hearing about it, though.

So you are reading why?
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Because I am firmly entrenched on one side of the debate. I just realized that it's a lot easier to ignore it.

And it came to pass, in the year of our Lord and Savior Jesus GM, 2009, that the Chiefs were known throughout the land to possess the 3rd overall pick in the 2009 NFL Draft.
The people were excited, and they looked forward to a new day when the cowardice and complacency of the newly ass-booted, False Prophet PeterBeater would finally be scourged from the land, and the dreaded curse of Blackledge would be lifted from it's noble inhabitants.
Prior to the destruction of the False One, many inhabitants sought a Noble Warrior to helm the army of the people, as it's interim leader, "Piss Boy", was lacking in many warrior skills.
They searched far and wide throughout the land, and determined that one such worthy Warrior existed, and would soon leave his Warrior's Citadel to lead an army of his very own. "Sir Stafford of America's Asspit Texas" was dubbed by the Council of the Wise to be the proper Warrior for the people's army.
It was at this time that I, your humble narrator, was informed by the Council of the Wise, that my knowledge of a Warrior's worth was equal to that of "Piss Boy's" warrior skill, and thus I was branded with the heretic's lowliest title and station in the land:

"Trufanis-****tardis":doh!:

And it came to pass that I, your humble narrator, was most displeased with this turn of events and sought to discover the reason for my branding, as well as to improve my knowledge of a Warrior's worth. I observed many battles of "Sir Stafford of America's Asspit Texas", but was not particularly blinded by the Light of his Greatness. It was at this time that I found myself impressed by a Warrior of the Islands from a Citidel of the Western Lands, though this Warrior was not the Supreme Commander of his Army.
The Army of the People of Kansas City requires many Warrior's, and this Warrior's skill and Holy Mojo were quite impressive.
As I began my study of said Warrior, I noticed that lo and behold; the Supreme Commander of THIS Warrior's Army was in fact IMBUED WITH THE LIGHT OF GREATNESS! After further and careful study of many battles I, your humble narrator, returned to the Council of the Wise to present my offering. The Council, after much debate, finally concluded that my quest was a fruitful one and that the branding of "Trufanis-****tardis" should be lifted, and I given a seat on the Council for my worthy efforts.
In the months that followed, it was determined that two Supreme Commanders for the Army of the People of Kansas City would be available for potential leadership, and that either would be sufficient for our needs.
At long last, the dreaded Curse of Blackledge would be lifted, and the Army of Our People would once again be Victorious over All Lands in the Known World!

It then came to pass shortly thereafter that the Lord Our Savior, Jesus GM, shat upon our collective heads.


The End.

Dude, RoR, I think you have an imbalance.
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no he didnt that i recall, he started out not liking sanchez IIRC, and mecca was always on sanchez' nuts. him and i had an argument BEFORE last ncaa season about sanchez being the best college prospect out there(better than stafford) BEFORE sanchez ever started a game. the only reason mecca got off that bandwagon was the fact that EVERYONE thought he would return for his senior season. DCS didnt like sanchez to start with, like i have already said, which is the reason he has conveniently forgotten to show his posts stating that fact

I hope while partying in New York, Sanchez run into a hot little chick and the two hook up. While in the middle of getting his bone blown, Sanchez finds out that this "hot chick" is really a tranny Patriot fan. Carlita then procedes to gnaw Mark's nuts off with her/his teeth, leaving him scrambling to call 911 from his blood soaked bed. Sanchez has to sit the rest of the season on the bench, with a cast on his johnson, thinking about retirement.

You don't recall worth a shit, Sauto.

The very first day I came here, Brock and Chiefs Country rode my ass because I said I didn't like Stafford. EVERYBODY was on the Stafford wagon and it was assumed that Sanchez wouldn't declare.
I was still, idiotically, backing Thigpen and that's when you and I started posting back and forth, and you sent me a friend invite because I was sticking up for Thigpen.

Is it becoming a little clearer now, Sauto?

Mecca wasn't even counting Sanchez as a prospect at that time.I mentioned in a reply to Mecca that I thought Mark was just as good if not better than Stafford, and that for him to be discounted was, and I quote, "short-sighted" on Mecca's part. He then informed me that the common accepted knowledge of the day was that Mark wouldn't declare.
I kept pimping Sanchez anyway. He finally declared.

Man, that's terrible. This is somebody's kid you're talking about. Shame on you.

This is pretty much exactly what happened.

IIRC, DCS and I were the first people to regularly discuss Sanchez. But as pointed out in the above quote, no one, and I mean NO ONE thought he'd declare. Pete Carrol has a knack for getting his QB's to stick around for their senior season.

All that said, does it really ****ing matter anymore?

We got Cassel, they got Sanchez. We'll see in a few years if they both pan out, both fail, or if one team made a better decision than the other.

LMAO

You're a liar. I probably haven't said 20 words to you, including this post. I tend to ignore dipshits.

Hey Raised on Anger, good call backing Thigpen. So it shouldn't surprise you've got Sanchez in Canton already
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Yahweh Curry shalt strike thee down for even mentioning this false idol...

you werent pimping sanchez off the bat, like i said. you didnt like stafford. never brought up sanchez until quite a bit later. no where near october, not even close. and like i said mecca said sanchez was THE BEST PRO PROSPECT in ncaa ball BEFORE you ever typed a letter on the planet(well before college ball began last year)