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Kyle DeLexus 05-01-2009 08:47 PM

Pro scouts are rarely at a game past halftime. They like to beat the traffic. The vast majority of scouting is tape not live.

KCrockaholic 05-02-2009 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 5732938)
Pro scouts are rarely at a game past halftime. They like to beat the traffic. The vast majority of scouting is tape not live.

This is very true, but when a scout wants to actually meet the kid hes recruiting and test his personality, its best to go to the games live. They still travel non-stop though.

Saccopoo 05-03-2009 06:03 PM

My top five for our first rounder next season:

1. Jermaine Gresham, TE; OU
2. Brandon Spikes, ILB; Florida
3. George Selvie, OLB/DE; South Florida
4. Sergio Kindle, OLB; Texas
5. Ndamukong Suh, DT; Nebraska

Top five second rounders:

1. Dennis Pitta, TE; BYU
2. Ciron Black, OT; LSU
3. John Jerry, OG; Miss
4. Sam Young, OT; Notre Dame
5. Antonio Coleman, DE/OLB; Auburn

Nightfyre 05-03-2009 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5736598)
My top five for our first rounder next season:

1. Jermaine Gresham, TE; OU
2. Brandon Spikes, ILB; Florida
3. George Selvie, OLB/DE; South Florida
4. Sergio Kindle, OLB; Texas
5. Ndamukong Suh, DT; Nebraska

Top five second rounders:

1. Dennis Pitta, TE; BYU
2. Ciron Black, OT; LSU
3. John Jerry, OG; Miss
4. Sam Young, OT; Notre Dame
5. Antonio Coleman, DE/OLB; Auburn

Why a TE and ILB as your top two? I think we will still be drafting in the top ten.

My top five first rounders are as follows:
1) Carlos Dunlap
2) Terrence Cody
3) Sam Bradford (flame reerunant vest - deploy!)
4) George Selvie
5) Berry/Mays

In the second round, I think there will be a metric ****ton of QB value.

DeezNutz 05-03-2009 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 5736671)
In the second round, I think there will be a metric ****ton of QB value.

Who?

Nightfyre 05-03-2009 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5736799)
Who?

I think you could see a lot of QBs slide due to the sheer number. I mean, you have Bradford, Snead, McCoy, and Tebow and that's just off the top of my head. Sure they're a bunch of spread monkeys, but they could develop over time.

DeezNutz 05-03-2009 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 5736876)
I think you could see a lot of QBs slide due to the sheer number. I mean, you have Bradford, Snead, McCoy, and Tebow and that's just off the top of my head. Sure they're a bunch of spread monkeys, but they could develop over time.

I agree with your claim that they'll slide, but I'd be shocked to see any of the latter three selected before round 3.

Tebow might become the '10 Pat White and climb into the 2nd, but I doubt it.

OnTheWarpath15 05-03-2009 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 5736876)
I think you could see a lot of QBs slide due to the sheer number. I mean, you have Bradford, Snead, McCoy, and Tebow and that's just off the top of my head. Sure they're a bunch of spread monkeys, but they could develop over time.

Don't count out Jevon Snead.

The only true pro-style QB of the group. If he has a decent senior season, I wouldn't be shocked to see him go mid-late 1st round.

I mean, Christ, if Josh Freeman can go 20th...

Saccopoo 05-04-2009 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 5736671)
Why a TE and ILB as your top two? I think we will still be drafting in the top ten.

Because I've never been a draft spot/player position relevance type of guy. You get the best player available at the greatest position of need is my philosophy. If that's a TE or a ILB, then you take the ILB or TE, even if it's a top ten pick. And god knows that the Chiefs could stand a decent ILB regardless.

Spikes is an absolute beast. Big, physical, athletic and seems to have that rare trait that separates great MLB's from average ones in that he genuinely seems to want to decapitate people every single hit. I think he has a chance to be a special player in the NFL.

And Jermaine Gresham is one of, if not the, best tight end I've ever seen at the college level. Has every single tool that you could possibly want in a tight end. The prototype for that position in the modern football era.

That's why I have them as #1 and #2 on my wish list for next year. Also, I'm hoping that the NFL and the players association will work out a new CBA that sets a rookie draft cap a la the NBA so people/GMs/whoever are no longer as worried about taking a specific position due to the immense costs relative to the players draft spot and teams can actually focus on getting the best players available at positions of need in the draft. I think it would help bring a bit more parity to the league, at least in terms of teams getting players that could/might help them rather than reaching on positions that correspond to the pay scale.

Saccopoo 05-04-2009 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5736915)
I agree with your claim that they'll slide, but I'd be shocked to see any of the latter three selected before round 3.

Tebow might become the '10 Pat White and climb into the 2nd, but I doubt it.

Tebow is going in the first round. Bank on it.

Especially considering that Urban brought in a pro style guy to work with Tebow on throwing mechanics, and will install pro style sets. I think he's genuinely concerned about getting Tebow into the first round (I mean, the kid, if anybody, deserves it if he's capable - he's a good kid, and a hell of a football player, and I'd never count out anybody with that much physical talent and drive).

Coogs 05-04-2009 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5736932)
Don't count out Jevon Snead.

The only true pro-style QB of the group. If he has a decent senior season, I wouldn't be shocked to see him go mid-late 1st round.

I was watching something the other day on Snead. May have been Total Access, but I am not positive on that. They were saying Snead may have a shot at being the #1 overall pick in next years draft.

He definately sounds like someone to keep an eye on the fall.

bdeg 05-04-2009 12:38 PM

I'm with you on spikes. But I'll wait and see what Cottam's got before I put Gresham in my top 10. Same goes for a RT in the 2nd. If they thought enough of Brown to take him in the 5th they must think there's a chance he can eventually play the spot, and his size gives him a lot of upside. If after a year they think he's not improving enough, maybe.

DeezNutz 05-04-2009 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccogoo (Post 5738099)
Tebow is going in the first round. Bank on it.

Especially considering that Urban brought in a pro style guy to work with Tebow on throwing mechanics, and will install pro style sets. I think he's genuinely concerned about getting Tebow into the first round (I mean, the kid, if anybody, deserves it if he's capable - he's a good kid, and a hell of a football player, and I'd never count out anybody with that much physical talent and drive).

0 percent chance.

Jump pass, FTW.

ArrowheadMagic 05-09-2009 11:59 PM

Spikes takes too many plays off. no thanks....

Chiefshrink 05-10-2009 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SCTrojan (Post 5722256)
2010 draft?

Please, God, make it stop.

Hey, Mayock already has his first mock 10 for next yrROFL

Chiefshrink 05-10-2009 12:10 PM

Chiefs and Broncs will be close to each other in 2010
 
Keep this in mind, that there is a very strong chance that Denver and KC will be picking very close together in next yr's draft. Why? Because remember Denver traded away there first rd pick(2010) to Philly and Denver only has Chicago's first rd pick of 2010(Cutler trade).

What McDaniels has done to the Broncs is disasterous(if you are a Broncs fan) and beautiful(if you are a Chiefs fan-Me). I see the Chiefs winning at least 5 and maybe 7 games at the most and Denver will win 3 at the most IMO with this year's schedule for both teams.

Trading away that 1st rd pick will not only haunt them but it is also known that Bowlen did not want to pay for 2 1st rd picks in 2010 in an uncapped yr. Might have been smart but when you have as many holes as Denver does what a way to have bolstered your D up with 2 1st rd picks in the top 12. Remains to be seen.

I see the Chiefs and Bears having similiar records by year's end and look for the Chiefs and Broncs to picking within 1-3 slots from each other((8-12)competing for that NT IF our experiment doesn't work out which it probably won't and you know Denver doesn't have a NT either.

Denver either takes a LB or NT and Chiefs will either take a NT or LB IMO since both do not have all the pieces yet and both will run a hybrid 3/4 this season. Look for the NT/LB to be the competing position because Josh probably won't take a QB in the first rd(Patriot Way). Will be interesting to see the the possible moving up or down in the 1st rd next yr to compete for that NT or LB.

Reaper16 05-10-2009 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsshrink (Post 5753981)
Keep this in mind, that there is a very strong chance that Denver and KC will be picking very close together in next yr's draft. Why? Because remember Denver traded away there first rd pick(2010) to Philly and Denver only has Chicago's first rd pick of 2010(Cutler trade).

What McDaniels has done to the Broncs is disasterous(if you are a Broncs fan) and beautiful(if you are a Chiefs fan-Me). I see the Chiefs winning at least 5 and maybe 7 games at the most and Denver will win 3 at the most IMO with this year's schedule for both teams.

Trading away that 1st rd pick will not only haunt them but it is also known that Bowlen did not want to pay for 2 1st rd picks in 2010 in an uncapped yr. Might have been smart but when you have as many holes as Denver does what a way to have bolstered your D up with 2 1st rd picks in the top 12. Remains to be seen.

I see the Chiefs and Bears having similiar records by year's end and look for the Chiefs and Broncs to picking within 1-3 slots from each other((8-12)competing for that NT IF our experiment doesn't work out which it probably won't and you know Denver doesn't have a NT either.

Denver either takes a LB or NT and Chiefs will either take a NT or LB IMO since both do not have all the pieces yet and both will run a hybrid 3/4 this season. Look for the NT/LB to be the competing position because Josh probably won't take a QB in the first rd(Patriot Way). Will be interesting to see the the possible moving up or down in the 1st rd next yr to compete for that NT or LB.

Since when did WorldNetDaily start publishing football articles?

Kyle DeLexus 05-10-2009 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsshrink (Post 5753981)
Keep this in mind, that there is a very strong chance that Denver and KC will be picking very close together in next yr's draft. Why? Because remember Denver traded away there first rd pick(2010) to Philly and Denver only has Chicago's first rd pick of 2010(Cutler trade).

What McDaniels has done to the Broncs is disasterous(if you are a Broncs fan) and beautiful(if you are a Chiefs fan-Me). I see the Chiefs winning at least 5 and maybe 7 games at the most and Denver will win 3 at the most IMO with this year's schedule for both teams.

Trading away that 1st rd pick will not only haunt them but it is also known that Bowlen did not want to pay for 2 1st rd picks in 2010 in an uncapped yr. Might have been smart but when you have as many holes as Denver does what a way to have bolstered your D up with 2 1st rd picks in the top 12. Remains to be seen.

I see the Chiefs and Bears having similiar records by year's end and look for the Chiefs and Broncs to picking within 1-3 slots from each other((8-12)competing for that NT IF our experiment doesn't work out which it probably won't and you know Denver doesn't have a NT either.

Denver either takes a LB or NT and Chiefs will either take a NT or LB IMO since both do not have all the pieces yet and both will run a hybrid 3/4 this season. Look for the NT/LB to be the competing position because Josh probably won't take a QB in the first rd(Patriot Way). Will be interesting to see the the possible moving up or down in the 1st rd next yr to compete for that NT or LB.

I believe the Bears will win more than 5 or 7 for sure. I think we will win 4 or 5. I don't expect us to be picking close at all actually.

kansastiger 05-10-2009 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 5723106)
Does LSU have one coming out?

I'm an LSU fan, and the only logical selection for the DL with a 3-4 scheme that you'll find coming from the Tigers is Al Woods. He's a big space filler, but he has the same problems with nagging injuries as Dorsey. I played against Dorsey in high school, and he's been bothered by injuries since his senior season. I will tell you this, you'd be hard pressed to find a guy that is as humble and hard-working as Dorsey.

Anyway, if you're wondering who the next player from LSU that the Chiefs may take, or the guy that may prove to be the most beneficial from LSU, Richard Dickson. TE who has great hands, gets open, makes catches in traffic, and he's hard-nosed. He'll probably go later in the draft, but if KC picks him up, he'd be a steal.

Offensive line, Ciron Black is the obvious frontrunner from LSU. I wouldn't expect him to take over at LT as soon as he gets out of college, but I could see him making the transition within his first few years.

DaKCMan AP 05-10-2009 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 5753574)
Spikes takes too many plays off. no thanks....

ROFL

Chiefshrink 05-11-2009 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 5754894)
I believe the Bears will win more than 5 or 7 for sure. I think we will win 4 or 5. I don't expect us to be picking close at all actually.

The Bears have no elite recievers and their O-line is average at best and on the downslide. The Bears won't be able to run as good and their will be more of an intense pass rush on Cutler with average recievers. Just because they have Cutler doesn't guarantee a 10win season or the playoffs. Oh and their D is aging fast and is not what it was which means Cutler will have to work with a much longer field like he did here in Denver.

Again Chiefs and Broncos will picking within 1-3 slots of each other.

MoreLemonPledge 05-13-2009 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sportsshrink (Post 5756945)
The Bears have no elite recievers and their O-line is average at best and on the downslide. The Bears won't be able to run as good and their will be more of an intense pass rush on Cutler with average recievers. Just because they have Cutler doesn't guarantee a 10win season or the playoffs. Oh and their D is aging fast and is not what it was which means Cutler will have to work with a much longer field like he did here in Denver.

Again Chiefs and Broncos will picking within 1-3 slots of each other.

I agree that the Bears D is getting old, but their running game will be fine. Even without good receivers, just having Cutler will make them respect the passing game, opening up draw plays (or at least that works on Madden).

Mecca 05-15-2009 06:24 PM

You all had a prospect debate without me? I'm shocked and appalled.

Kyle DeLexus 05-15-2009 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5769142)
You all had a prospect debate without me? I'm shocked and appalled.

It wasn't as good.

KCrockaholic 05-15-2009 10:26 PM

How may we live on???

Mecca 05-15-2009 11:32 PM

What did I miss, please tell me there was no McCoy pimping.

Kyle DeLexus 05-16-2009 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5770331)
What did I miss, please tell me there was no McCoy pimping.

Someone did say that this years QB class is one of the best in a long time. So I'm guessing he liked him some McCoy. I can't remember what thread it was in.

Mecca 05-16-2009 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus (Post 5770424)
Someone did say that this years QB class is one of the best in a long time. So I'm guessing he liked him some McCoy. I can't remember what thread it was in.

That's rather sad.

chiefs1111 05-16-2009 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5770501)
That's rather sad.

But Sam Bradford is awesome!

Mecca 05-16-2009 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefs1111 (Post 5770526)
But Sam Bradford is awesome!

I will just never like him as a prospect I don't see it.

chiefs1111 05-16-2009 01:10 AM

What about the kid from Ole Miss??? Snead I think is his name...

Mecca 05-16-2009 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefs1111 (Post 5770535)
What about the kid from Ole Miss??? Snead I think is his name...

I dunno it's a tough call, he's athletic and everything but he's playing for Houston Nutt which I think is a bit of an issue and he's going to have to make strides in his accuracy and completion percentage.

Some people will try to compare it to this year but I don't see that. Snead has to show improvement like Stafford did, Stafford was on everyone's radar like Snead is now, but he's not as gifted as Stafford.

If you start rolling Bradford and McCoy are well known but have serious questions if you start looking for a Sanchez there isn't one.

Chiefnj2 05-16-2009 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5770546)
if you start looking for a Sanchez there isn't one.


Sanchez wasn't Sanchez at this point last year. He had only started 3-4 games.

Mecca 05-16-2009 11:53 AM

That's not what I meant...everyone was aware of him and that he was a potential high pick just most people didn't assume he would come out.

If you look for another one of those guys, there isn't one this year, that's what makes it different there isn't anyone to change the game.

Kyle DeLexus 05-16-2009 12:29 PM

Yeah I hope this Cassel thing works out.

Halfcan 05-17-2009 08:18 PM

hopefully the 2010 draft won't suck as bad as this one did

KCrockaholic 05-17-2009 11:15 PM

I dont think we need to worry about next year's draft class sucking. Even if it was seniors only for next year, it will be better than this years juniors and seniors.

DaneMcCloud 05-18-2009 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 5773783)
I dont think we need to worry about next year's draft class sucking. Even if it was seniors only for next year, it will be better than this years juniors and seniors.

Who?

Mecca 05-18-2009 12:17 AM

I think that comment is a bit overdone most of the top guys for next year are underclassmen.

DaneMcCloud 05-18-2009 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5773812)
I think that comment is a bit overdone most of the top guys for next year are underclassmen.

Well, I just checked and that guy is 18.

I'd like for him to speak for himself, especially since he tried to pass himself off as a "mockspert" this past draft season.

Speak up, KCRH.

Frankie 05-18-2009 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5770546)
I dunno it's a tough call, he's athletic and everything but he's playing for Houston Nutt which I think is a bit of an issue and he's going to have to make strides in his accuracy and completion percentage.

Some people will try to compare it to this year but I don't see that. Snead has to show improvement like Stafford did, Stafford was on everyone's radar like Snead is now, but he's not as gifted as Stafford.

Is he related to old Norm Snead who was the Eagles QB in the late 60s/Early 70s?

KCrockaholic 05-18-2009 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5773818)
Well, I just checked and that guy is 18.

I'd like for him to speak for himself, especially since he tried to pass himself off as a "mockspert" this past draft season.

Speak up, KCRH.

Im not going to get into details right now about next years draft class. But I will stand by my statement above, and will further elaborate on it when we get closer to January. Im not trying to ditch your question, I just dont want to answer it right now. Just give me a few months and ask me again during football season.

DaKCMan AP 08-18-2009 07:19 AM

The sack master: Florida DE Carlos Dunlap's impressive stats should catch eyes

By Jeremy Fowler
Sentinel Staff Writer

GAINESVILLE — The Gators Sack Laboratory might have produced its most powerful model yet.

Not a hybrid, but 290 pounds of quarterback apprehension.

Defensive end Carlos Dunlap is the kind of player scouts fall in love with and opposing coaches plan around.

His athleticism could inspire Under Armour ads. His imposing 6-foot-6 figure makes the Gators' former "Freak," Jevon Kearse, look like a Catholic school linebacker.

His go-go-gadget arms produced 9.5 sacks and a Bowl Championship Series title game defensive MVP award last season.

Teammates Tim Tebow and Brandon Spikes get most of the publicity, but Dunlap might find the most love from the NFL draft as a major threat to leave school early.

Rob Rang, director of NFLdraftscout.com, said Dunlap has the potential of a top-10 pick. Ole Miss' Greg Hardy and Northwestern's Corey Wootton are ahead of Dunlap as defensive end prospects, Rang said, but that's partly because those two seniors have a larger body of work.

"He's got many qualities NFL teams want from an end," Rang said. "He possesses a unique combination of size and the ability to chase down backs 5-10 yards downfield. If he shows he can handle the double teams he'll see this year, expect him to get a lot of attention."

And if he puts together a perfect season, he might break Florida's single-season sack record of 13 set by Alex Brown in 1999.

"Of course I want to try to go for that," Dunlap said. "After last year, they are going to be keying in on me."

This sack master relies on five factors for an efficient pass rush.

1. Arms
Dunlap has a wingspan of more than 7 feet, enabling him to pluck quarterbacks from the air mid-stride and keep offensive tackles at a distance without getting pushed off the ball.

Gators offensive guard Mike Pouncey knows this firsthand every time he goes against Dunlap in practice.

"He's so long — long and powerful," Pouncey said. "He's just a great pass rusher, the best one on our team at it."

Linemen will try to jam Dunlap this season, so he must use his arms as leverage to get free.

2. Strength
Dunlap's strength is more organic than manufactured, neither chiseled nor sloppy.

Just massive.

"He could pick up a car that's overturned," Gators strength coach Mickey Marotti said. "If he's mad enough."

On a sack on Arkansas' Casey Dick last year, Dunlap moved a double team three yards backward before turning right to chase down his prey.

Marotti said Dunlap rivals defensive tackle Troy Epps for the most pure strength on the team, but he needs to work on his definition.

3. Anger/speed
When Dunlap smells a sack, he "zones out" from the crowd and hears nothing but the quarterback's footsteps, he said.

He's looking to make the kind of game-changing hit that will fluster an offense.

Teammates say Dunlap is at his best when provoked or highly motivated — or even a little on edge.

"It's like he has a button on and off," defensive tackle Jaye Howard said. "When he wants to go, it's over. No one can stop him. And he's been going all summer."

Rang said Dunlap appears fast for his size and wouldn't be surprised if he ran the 40-yard dash in the 4.7-second range or below. Howard says Dunlap runs about a 4.5. Dunlap will need his speed to avoid double teams and rehearse his post-sack routine.

"The first thing you do after you hit him is you're looking down at him," Dunlap said. "Just breathe out."

4. Football intelligence
Sacking isn't just instinctual for Dunlap, who studies ways to create mismatches.

Dunlap lines up at different spots on the line, depending on the defensive package, and every play requires at least a two-step thought process.

"If I make a spin move, I want to have a counter move for it," Dunlap said. "So I can set up the spin move."

And if he's double-teamed?

"Don't swim on a double team," Dunlap said.

One of Dunlap's favorites includes a fake inside to force a double team from the weakside, then darting to the outside and leaving both blockers hanging.

5. Improved work ethic
Dunlap was known as lazy through most of his first two years, but coaches say he's putting in the necessary work while embracing the national spotlight.

"[Effort] was minimal most of the time, but now it's pretty much max most of the time," Coach Urban Meyer said. "He's really much improved. A different player."

Dunlap's epiphany came after realizing the game was no longer easy like high school. Ever since he's improved weight-lifting habits and increased time teaching younger players his tricks.

"I don't even remember 9.5 sacks," Dunlap said about last year. "I have six sacks that I remember I missed."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/c...0,462250.story

orangeuawitch2 08-20-2009 06:25 PM

Eric Berry rocks, but hope TN does not have to give him up too soon

Mr. Arrowhead 08-21-2009 08:07 AM

Dez Bryant anyone?

Mecca 08-23-2009 07:35 PM

I'm not a big fan of Dez Bryant...

Sam Hall 08-30-2009 05:57 PM

Eric Berry is probably the least controversial prospect on the Chiefs radar. Terrence Cody and Sergio Kindle will have a lot of bust potential.

Saccopoo 09-02-2009 07:09 PM

After the first three preseason games, I'm convinced that it's the defense that needs to be addressed (again) with the next first round pick, particularly the defensive line. (And it hurts to say that seeing as we've spent high round picks on that area the past four years.)

I think that there is a lot more high end talent (potentially) in this coming draft, depending upon guys like Berry, Gerald McCoy, etc. But it is really top heavy and deep into the first round. I just don't know how the Chiefs go in the next draft. A guy like Dunlap would be tough to pass, depending upon how Dorsey ends up playing DE this season. If Dorsey has a decent season, is that a potential trade to a 4-3 team and then looking at a guy like Carlos in the draft knowing that you've got Magee there as well?

Same thing with Suh or Cody. (I like Suh because he just seems to go after it every single play. I've only seen a handful of Nebraska games the past two years, but he's the best guy on the field in those games I've seen. Mecca thinks he can play a NT in a 3-4, and if that's the case, he'd be my choice over Cody. More athletic, apparently has a high revving motor, etc.)

Titty Meat 09-11-2009 03:06 PM

Suh is a d-end in a 3-4. I like the center from Penn State though he's only a junoir. I wouldn't draft him with the 1st round pick unless the Chiefs pick toward the end of the first round draft.

FireAllTheBastids 09-13-2009 03:34 PM

Eric Berry.

End. Of. Story.

LOLATKC 09-20-2009 11:47 PM

Berry!


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