Given that he actually thinks Thigpen should be starting, I'd vote for saddest.

I can't wait to see that Croyle to Copper chemistry develop in the first game!

People believe everything they read

I also believe that Haley is trying to show Cassel that this isn't an all-pro receiving corps, and everything won't always be smooth sailing like it was with Moss and Welker. Haley must want see how Cassel will adapt, and wants to see how mentallly tough he is.

How does he suck, other than getting injured easily?

That's it.

He cannot stay on the field, period. Because of this, I refuse to consider him an NFL player, and I really, really hope he's with another team soon so that I never have to hear his name mentioned again in a serious Chiefs conversation.

I can see your point. No use in being good if you're never able to play. Too bad, really.

this belongs in the epic fail

Exactly.

Croyle sucks cuz he's also inaccurate and on 3rd down he won't even throw it to the sticks.

He drastically improved that in the short time he has played. The latter was a matter of play-calling, IMO.

This is silly...
Cassel's your starter...with a bullet.

He did it the other night too. Wrght was able to run after the catch though.

I'm not saying anyone is pushing Cassel. I'm just saying that Croyle doesn't suck. Thought I'd make myself clear on that.

He doesn't suck. Never has. Just can't stay healthy.

Yeah. Honestly, I feel bad for the guy. Not his fault, really.

Exactly. If we could focus on getting offensive linemen in there instead of trying to make a point to Bowe, I think we'd be better off.

6 Td's 8 picks and 0 wins as a starter. I guess he'd be an ok backup but these people saying he should be the starter shhhh.

Eh... A better line won't change that fact that he's fragile. Quarterbacks get hit. There's no avoiding it.

I wish the guy the best, and I'd be thrilled to see him succeed as a starter, but the fact is... right now... you can't depend on him. Sucks, because the kid does seem to have talent.

Still can't believe they passed you over, huh?....

I don't see why it would be a bad thing if Haley starts the best QB. If Croyle is better than Cassel he should start.

I think Orton will have a big year, but if Simms beats him out and plays at a high level during the regular season I will be happy with it.

What I don't understand is why Croyle hasn't gotten bigger knowing his durability weakness.

Heck, I'm a really small guy. I weighed 121lbs when I graduated high school. Two years later, I weighed 171 because I worked very hard in the gym.

Hell, I could gain more muscle mass if I were a professional athlete. And, I'm not doing anything exotic with supplements.

I understand he's in an NFL conditioning program and perhaps he's just a rather thin guy who's already maxed out his body, but if I were him, I'd be juiced to the gills with HgH. Its on the banned substance list, but they don't test for it. Of course, I wouldn't use mega doses because that can be very bad if you have unknown tumors: in that case, HgH stimulates tumor growth.

I think Croyle has one of the five best arms in the NFL. He has the kind of arm that is truly impressive in person. He has a better arm that the beloved Sanchez. He has a better arm than Alex Smith. He has a better arm than Leinart. He has an arm comparable to Cutler, or even Elway or Favre in their prime. Not quite as good, but would definitely give those guys a run for their money.

I think Croyle has a ton of leadership. I think Croyle has a ton of mobility.

About the only things that Croyle doesn't have are experience and durability.

Here lies the problem.... he won't get much experience if he can't last more than a half of a football game....

Some of it is just bad luck.... and bad offensive lines.

In reality, he is too tough for his own good. He will stand in the pocket in the face of a strong rush to deliver the ball. He will run for yardage and take the hits.

The guy has come back from so many injuries. He is like a boxer who just keeps getting up.... when so many of us... (Me included),by now would have just hung em' up.

I admire his resolve. I think it is unfortunate that the most talented QB in Chiefs camp right now is also the one that can't be counted on.

For the record, Cassel struggled in last year's camp too.

I would be lying if I said it didn't concern me.... but I am not willing to panic just yet.

If Cassel is a bust, I will be more dissapointed in Pioli than anything else. Pioli was with this guy for a few years. I know that you can never 'know' how a guy will respond to a new situation, new contract, and being 'the' guy.... but the main reason I supported the move for Cassel was because Pioli and Johs McDaniels both really wanted the kid.

That spoke volumes to me. I will be dissapointed in Pioli if this kid doesn't work out.

I would love Brodie (and I think anyone else would) if he could just stay goddamned healthy.

I got sick of the Sanchez bs too, but Mecca was actually juts relaying news. He didn't even mention an opinion. Who would you rather Mecca, Croyle or Cassel? I mean, there's so much money invested in Cassel right now... I wish we didn't sign him to a bigger deal. I'd rather we had just pay him the 1 year and see how it panned out...

I never heard of those people, and I can't see a reason (other than hating anything from Patriot Nation) for not wanting the best available.

This ia great analogy. If he had the physical make up to be a starter he would be great. His arm is a cannon with a quick release and he can survey the field but his body can't take any punishment.

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correct. He can have all the talent in the world but if he can't stay on the field, why does it matter? You can't count on the guy. An a NFL QB, a successful QB must be able to be counted on, be consistent.

When you say you never heard of those people, are you saying you didn't see anyone else who would have preferred a different GM hire (like myself and OnTheWarpath), or that you never heard of Eric Decosta or George KoKinus?

good grief...its a brand new system. its gonna take some time. we cant win the super bowl overnight. its gonna take work and a year or two to get better. everyone needs to take their expectations down about 20 pegs. its just not going to happen.

Kent Babb is freaking clueless.

Listening to him on 810 and he can't tell you anything even after being at camp all this time. He just dogs on everyone Teicher style as a way of hiding his complete lack of insight.

Could the star hire more miserable bastards?

Claythan and Nick.

I'm watching this season with low expectations. Scott Pioli and crew are taking over a very, very bad team and it's gonna take time to rebuild and get the Herm Edwards stank off. Anyone who thinks otherwise is setting themselves up for heartache.

Thoughts on this thread:
1. I'd love to see Brodie make #2 on the depth chart
2. Our QBs are throwing to a patch work WR corp, neither is going to look good

Everyone's mind set right now should be "future" and "re-build".

dare I say "rebuilding, get over it"

With good conditioning and a decent OL he might be ok. Herm had a history of QB injuries, I'd lay some of the blame on him.

I agree, and I am one of the guys that stood by Brodie last season.

But, I am not going to get too excited, until he shows he can get back up, after being clobbered by a couple guys getting revenge for Brady.

Sure, lets start the season with Croyle. Then Cassel can finish the season during the 2nd quarter of that 1st game.

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It would be KC's luck for Croyle to turn into Rich Gannon with a live arm.

Come on, dude. You are smarter than this. :doh!:

I want to win the SB too. You can't put that on Cassel if he doesn't. There are other factors at play. Do you blame Green for not going all the way in '03?

Croyle is one of the most frustrating players to watch as a fan. Great arm strength, accurate, seems smart. But man, he takes a single hit and you might as well flip a coin as to whether he's going to get up or not.

The Chiefs need to find a durable pocket passer for the backup spot.

Like being able to stand upright for 4 quarters?

At your own risk

Can Kelly stay?

Yep. He was just not meant to play football.

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**** off. You're reeruned.

Let me see, he is in his early 20s, gets paid millions to hold a clip board, and is married to Kelly.

It is really pretty hard for me to scrape up too much sympathy for the guy. :D

I wouldn't care which one my team's backup qbs started either.