Boldin's 28...Bowe is 24, so there isn't a huge huge age gap there.

Wow, I disagree.

Bowe has probably 8 more years of being a consistent, high quality receiving threat.

Boldin's got maybe 4 years.

Disagree, Boldin's game isn't and has never been straight speed, so much like Terrell Owens I expect him to be productive well into his 30's.

Only Chiefs fans could think Bowe was better than Johnson. LMAO

Well, I guess we'll see. I just think that 4 years is pretty huge when considering similar receivers.

And I think that T.O. is a freak. I'd be shocked if either Bowe or Boldin were consistently producing at that age, or anywhere near it.

By NFL standards it probably is. I have nothing to back this up, but my guess is that a 28 year old receiver is likely at his peak and will see his performance begin to recede. A 24 year old receiver is likely just entering his most productive years.

I don't see one single person here saying that. :rolleyes:

This is the way I look at WR's, a WR who relies on straight speed to get open is going to be done as soon as that speed goes so you're looking at right around 30.

Guys who use their size and power like a TO or a Boldin can last longer because their age isn't going to make them lose that.

Cmon, use some logic. They were comparing the players stats after 2 years in the league.

Like I said depends on the WR, I expect Fitzgerald to be productive well into his 30's also.

A guy like Steve Smith not so much.

The problem with that comparison is Bowe's top end highest ceiling isn't Johnson's he doesn't have the same natural gifts.

Bowe's top end higheset ceiling remains to be seen.

What gifts are you talking about? Speed?

Sorry. I haven't read the whole thread
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Bowe's ceiling is Anquan Boldin, if he becomes that remains to be seen.

Boldin has missed 16 games in the last few years, injuries are a slight concern too

Your opinion is worth what it's worth.

Basically, he doesn't have Johnson's top end speed, they both have the huge body, Johnson has better hands and runs better routes.

Bowe can work his ass off to catch better and run great routes but I don't think he'll ever be quite as natural as Johnson is and there's nothing he can do to get that speed.

What's stopping him from putting up Johnson numbers?
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Well when you get hit in the face with a helmet it tends to cause one to miss some games.

I'd wager Johnson is a bit faster than Bowe and Boldin both.

I think it's the difference in top end speed.

If Bowe remains with the Chiefs, Haley's going to push him to become a better route runner with more consistent hands.

But as Jimmy Johnson used to say, you can't coach speed.

Read through the thread again.

He can put up the numbers, he just doesn't cause the same problems so to speak.

Boldin doesn't possess the gifts Johnson does but he puts up numbers he just does it a different way.

Guys like Johnson are valued a bit more because he has everything, he isn't just the big possession guy.

Take your own advice.

BAH! Nevermind. I suck at life today.
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If you stand them side by side....

Say the first group is..

Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Randy Moss...the 2nd group is Anquan Boldin, Dwayne Bowe and Brandon Marshall...

Why is the 1st group more feared than the 2nd group?

Which group would Jerry Rice, Michael Irvin and a younger TO fall into? Fitz?

OK

You went to a lot of trouble to prove yourself wrong. Nice job, dumbo.

That is a decent take Mecca. I think Bowe has enough speed to be more than "just a possession receiver", but he is probably not as fast as Johnson. I think Bowe is a little more powerful and stronger than Johnson, and he knows how to use his body. I think he can cause a lot of problems to a secondary. Particularly if we could get another weapon to open up the field for him to break some tackles.
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Eh, I see a lot of people saying Bowe put up better numbers than Johnson in his first two years...or that he could some day play like Fitz or Boldin. Not so much on the Bowe >>> Johnson.

I don't think he's stronger or more powerful, Andre is a giant guy.

If you watch this..

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You can see what the difference in their natural gifts to Bowes would be.

Is Bowe the type of receiver a guy like Lelie needs to finally break out? I'm not saying he will, but hes sure got the speed and a coach to help him out now along with a few good veteran receivers.

Could be. I haven't watched the texans too much. But from what I have seen, Bowe plays a little bigger than Johnson. Maybe it is because no one could catch Johnson to make him use his power (Pollard, you ****ass). But most of the plays I have seen him make are speed plays. They run a simple little inside slant to him that he just rips people to shreds with.
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I really doub we trade Bowe-he is just too damm good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMtU-vZOaEA

Bowe highlights. I'd put his work up against A. Johnson's first two years in the league.

People really undervalue Bowe. He has some fantastic body control and is very physical.

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Bowe's "natural gifts" aren't exactly lacking..he's just not a speedster.

The music was so bad I couldn't stand to watch the video. :shake:

Haha. Some clown really put rap to the Bowe highlight video I put together?

Here's the real one:

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Good God GC...I liked the rap background about 10,000 times more.

Although I will admit your highlight reel is put together about 10,000 times better than the one above it.

Quite possibly because you are a moron.

Or it could be your background music is way too ****ing over-powering...

Not saying I would. Not saying I wouldn't. But...given the NE/KC pipeline

Would you trade Bowe and Dorsey for Moss, Wilfork and NE's first in 2010?

Now you'd have 2 firsts and 2 seconds in 2010. The NT needed and Moss back with Cassel.

NE gets younger WR, a replacement for Wilfork
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That's the intent.

What would you want with Dorsey?
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They can't keep both Wilfork and Seymour. They drafted a NT in 2009. Dorsey would be added talent on the line who is young and signed up.
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Your intent was for viewers to hit the mute button?

He's not a good fit in the 3-4, that's why we would be trading him.
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You don't trade for Moss if you have a losing franchise. He doesn't have the maturity to handle losing.
You don't trade for Moss at age 32 when you're rebuilding your team


Dumbass supreme :shake:

You have good editing skills. But most of the music you pick is terrible. I understand that you're trying to show the world that you think you're so much more "cultured" then everyone else, but you do not know how to pick music for a football highlight video.

Just accept it.

You've got to be kidding me. There's nothing cultured about Banya Feat Diana.

Or it could be because most people over the age of 25 think Rap just plain sucks.

The video in question isn't even rap.....

The only WRs I care about. Are the ones that will bring a ring. **** everything else it's overkill.

The fool who "remixed" the original used rap. And destroyed it. Completely.

I tell you who's opinion actually counts for something here - Bowe's. And he loved it.

"im gonna make a kick ass highlight video about the most prolific player on the current chiefs roster. Hrrmmm.......some Banya Feat Diana should fit the bill pretty well...."

I just don't see the logic in your choice of music. Even if you aren't a fan of popular music, most of it fits a lot better then the stuff you pick out. Put aside your arrogance for the sake of making a more entertaining video.

I agree Claytan the music you play on those videos suck.

Dude, that isn't rap. Its an instrumental. And of course Bowe loved it. WTF else is he going to say about a fans highlight video about him?

I don't pick music based on the artist or whether or not it's "popular."

I pick it based on the content of the music.

In this case, the rhythms of "Beethoven Virus" worked rather well with Bowe moving on a football field.

But some Jay-Z would have been preferable I suppose. :rolleyes:

It's pretty close. I can see dumbasses in gold chains bopping their heads to it.

bowes a stud. hopefully we wont trade him or itll be strike 2 1/2

This

Yeah. Who needs 2 firsts and 2 seconds in 2010 when you're rebuilding your team?

Look, I didn't say I was for it or against it. But thanks for your feedback dumbass.
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If we did trade Bowe, I would flip out. To trade one of the few elite talents on the team, one of the foundations of a young, struggling offense, would be ridiculous. I'd love to make a play for Boldin, but not if it means getting rid of Bowe. It's a combination of the two plus a speedy slot guy (possibly Lelie if he turns out to not suck) that excites me, not trading one Pro Bowl-caliber receiver for another (older) one.

SERIOUSLY WHY THE **** HAVEN'T WE SIGNED HIM

Haley can't be TOO disappointed with these schmucks if he hasn't made an effort to lock down a talented guy like Matt Jones.

Yeah we should then make an effort to sign Plaxico Buress and Dante Stallworth we could have the all league suspension team.

No, an instrumental that doesn't totally destroy the video would have been preferable. It's not like the guy put Lil Wayne rapping in the background of your video. It was an instrumental sample with bass and snare...nothing too gangsta about it.

Unless you're a 50 year old man trapped in a 20-something's body and think anything that has an electronic sample is "rap". Honestly, the only reason his video has a higher rating(albeit tiny) is because of the music selection.

It's a very good video..with poor music to match.

Yeah.

I don't think the difference between Bowe is nearly as desparate as it's appears some have implied.

Johnson and Johnson, and Fitz are just a step above Bowe talent wise, and when/if Bowe fixes his concentration issues, that separation will become even smaller.

D Bowe will retire a Chief

then go in the HOF

I have been saying this but it has fallen on deaf ears

Have you ever seen andre johnson? No way is bowe stronger or more powerful

http://media.kiiitv.com/images/andre%20johnson1.jpg

Because Matt Jones is suspended?

lots of matt jones hate here

If you haven't noticed this market loves good guys, even if they are shitty players.

About the only player I can ever recall being defended after doing dumb shit was Jared Allen.

This market loves the hard working good guy over the talented screwup.

Yeah, because Jared Allen had a drinking problem and is a little white trash. Most Chiefs fans can relate to that, sadly.

Pretty much, I remember Chiefs fans who hated Dale Carter.

Yeah but once he left here he flamed out so everybody was right about him

There's got to be something to it. It's not just us, no one has been sniffing around him. Something's up...

Haha, sniffing...cocaine....

Still I always found it funny to see fans hate on a guy who made the pro bowl something like 5 times while he was here.

Meanwhile people liked Willie Davis, it hurt my head even as a kid.