Hopefully Cassel will stay healthy and play well and we wont have to address the issue of who his back up is.

someone could say this about you and the cassel situation also

The argument everyone is making is that he doesn't deserve a shot on this roster and that he'll be out of the NFL in a few years because he has no talent. Don't swerve the thread.

I don't think anyone is making that argument.

He's a fine backup.

The problems arise when reeruns write stat-based articles lauding him as some kind of potential long-term starter.

Oh shit you said he's a fine back up!!!!! Look out!!!!

The Kansas City Chiefs apparently don't think he's worth a shit, and IMO, neither do other teams, seeing as how nothing better than a 5th round pick has been offered.

If Thigpen wad the player you claim he is, teams would be fighting over his services. But that's not the case.

I don't think there are many "pro Thigpen" people out there saying he should be a starter either. Most just want to see him develop on the bench and see what comes of him.

But go to any Thigpen thread. 90% of the posters say they can't wait for him to be gone. Many of them say that no GM thinks he's any good and some of them say he doesn't deserve to be in an NFL uniform. Almost all of them are saying that a GM is stupid to trade any kind of pick for Thigpen. Basically, almost all the posts say he's garbage and he always will be, and there is no chance he will ever be better than garbage.

I don't know why it came to people despising the man, but it has. And that's a shame.

Probably because there are drooling morons who pimp him at every chance. There are LITERALLY people around here who think Thigpen deserves more of a chance to be the starter.

That gets really tiresome. We're supposed to be moving on from half-baked shit. We have a real quarterback, just STFU about the guy warming the bench.

You could, but as usual, you'd be full of shit.

Once they passed on Sanchez, I was over it. I still don't think Cassel will become a true franchise QB, but he's ours now - so I hope like he'll I'm wrong.

He got his shot and apparently whiffed.

It's funny that so many have given Pioli a pass so far, but are implying he's an idiot for choosing Croyle and Gutierrez over him.

Is this thread really happening?

You can sum up the pro-Thigpen folks thoughts this way:

Pioli is a genius, except in this case. He's an idiot for choosing Croyle/Gutierrez over Thigpen.

Y'all have a serious case of the red ass.

This late in the game? Not a lot of teams want to bring in a raw backup QB. They either want a veteran who can immediately compete for a starting job or they want a veteran backup who can quickly learn the offense and be a safety seal in case the starter gets hurt. Last thing you want is to walk into game 1, get your starter injured, and you're suddenly forced to play a QB who has no idea how to run your offense. Couple that with the fact that these discussions are being made so close to the cut deadline.

I think most teams know if the Chiefs are shopping him around, that they have a lot of negotiating leverage. For the same reason that Cassel could command almost no value in the trade market.

Someone could tell you to "fetch-a Sake".


SAUTO; FETCH-A SAKE!


*Here we see SAUTO preparing to fetch-a Sake directly from the source.

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You cant sum me up any way cause you don't know me.I think who ever plays the best should be the starter,then they guys thats next should be the back up.I would think every team in the league would apply that same logic.They can keep/trade/cut whoever,I'm just tired of watching Brodie spend the whole damn season on the IR.

I sure as shit am not giving Pioli a pass. I think he whiffed big time on the offensive line and wide receiver situation and I've spoken out about it. And I still contend that it was stupid to trade away Gonzalez. And if he keeps Guttierrez over Thigpen, so be it... I just happen to think it will be the absolute wrong decision and I can't help but wonder if it is motivated in some way by croneyism.

We "pro-Thigpen" people are not questioning Pioli at all. The fact that he may be shopping him is fine with me. I am glad that Pioli is holding out for more than a 5th rounder. It only strengthens my opinion of him as a GM. The anti-Thigpen folks here would cut him for nothing. It only weakens my opinion of them.

Pioli/Haley may keep Thigpen as a backup, which is fine with me. If you are going to trade the guy, get better than a 5th round pick, who likely will be lucky to make our practice squad next year.

people like you who cry over thigpen like he were a wounded vet from Iraq make me relish the day his over rated ass gets shipped out of here into obscurity...the radio in kc today was full broken hearts telling us how unfair it was, how great he was, how his stats were the same as real QBs, that he was worth a second, that we should create a special offense for him, and on and on....**** me in the eye socket


Cassel is a real QB. Thigpen is a novelty.

Im pro-whoever is the best player.

ROFL

I hope you are right.

You get those idiots no matter what. I could care less about those people. I care more about making the right decisions for the Chiefs.

He doesn't deserve that kind of ridiculous praise, but that's what you get with a home team--lots of homers. He also doesn't deserve all the hate.

The Chiefs better hurry up and trade Thigpen for a 5th. The Bucs are shopping Leftwich, Mccown, and Johnson.

McCown might be going to Green Bay.

what makes you say that? they have released him? no. they supposedly were offered a 5th and turned it down. obviously they think he's worth something

bullshit, you get down on the guy every ****ing chance you get.

i for one have never implied shit. i said croyle and thig should be gone with gutierrez as our #2. i just dont get the total hate for the guy

Yea well I think Dirty Sanchez is a pussy.

Jesus.

He's 4th string behind Croyle and Gutierrez, and they are trying to deal him before cutting him. Not sure how you come to any other conclusion - they don't think he has a place here.

You also think Mike Brown-stain is a worth a shit.

All your FAIL are belong to ME.

if that was the case why not just take the 5th? it may not be offered again

Yep, that's why I commended him for making something out of nothing against the Vikings.

But please, keep talking from your ass.

Wait... They were offered a 5th and Pioli DIDN'T take it?

I think the butthurt is effecting all the intranet GM's that claimed Thiggy wasn't worth a box of used up tampons, who are being proved wrong by real GM's making real decisions in the real world.

This place has gotten ridiculous. You can't even make the argument about Thigpen being a legitimate 3rd stinger without getting jumped on. There are people here want Thigpen gone an keep Gutierrez. I don't hear anybody looking to trade for Gutierrez.

And I still stick by my belief you trade Thigpen if you can because if it comes down to the 3rd string QB again the season was a ****ing waste anyway.

Another IR specialist!!!!ROFL

Ask Pioli. I would have taken a 5th and felt like I stole something.

so you commended him once. so what. you still talk shit every chance you get. remember the quote about him being a failure if he doesnt win a super bowl here?

should make it pretty obvious that pioli thinks he's worth something.

he may get cut but i dont see why they wouldnt have taken the 5

If these people in question were referring to Thigpen being a 3rd, I'd see your point. They have argued all summer that he's the clear-cut #2, and is a competent backup.

Pioli says otherwise.

"PIOLI"! LMAO

what drives me crazy is people saying that Thigpen deserves something for his play last year...like the franchise owes him something.


Central to Halioli's regime is the clearly articulated belief that no one deserves shit, especially on a 2-14 team.

Waters thought he deserved something and Halioli DP'd him in an Arrowhead hallway. Guy hasn't spoken a word since.

i havent said shit about where he should be depth wise for sure since camp started. i just dont feel comfortable with croyle even on this team

i dont think the franchise owes him anything, if it's between him and croyle the franchise owes ITSELF thigpen as the backup. croyle cant make it through a half of real football

You've never had shiite to say to me Can, but i gotta give credit where due...

LMAOLMAOLMAO

And?

He will be. A franchise QB is supposed to win Championships. Not just be OK.

If Bernard Pollard isn't the special teams starter instead of the starter on defense it'll say alot about the coaching staff.

i assumed this board was familiar with the the abbreviation...if it were WPI I'd have to spell it out and draw pictures

I would have too, but you never know with this wildcat shit. I mean FFS, the Dolphins spent a ****ing second rounder on Pat ****ing White.

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what about the rest of the TEAM? dont they have something to do with it? the guy cant throw it, catch it, run it, kick it, AND tackle the opposing offensive players. sorry but that statement is ignorant

Franchise QB's raise the level of play around them.

There's a reason why guys like Marino are discussed in a different class than Montana, Aikman, Elway, etc.

Maybe someday we can get all giddy about Cassel being on a "greatest QB that's never won the big game" list.

how would a qb raise the level of the DEFENSE?

What makes Cassel so much better than Thigpen anyway? I realize he is better but most people act like he is the next Brady. He had 21 tds last year when brady had 50 with the same team the year before. He won 11 games when Brady didn't loose one the year before!! I think he is half the Qb that Brady is. We are not as stable at Qb that everyone acts like we are!!

By keeping them off the field?

Ask Peyton Manning, he won a championship with a terrible defense.

*yawn*. Marino doesn't make tackles or run the ball so thats pretty absurd. By your definition then Sanchez isn't a franchise QB either.

to be fair that defense stepped up in the playoffs when sanders came back. AND peyton had a horrible postseason that year. but i'm sure you remember that it just doesnt help your argument so you left it out. hell you have said that yourself IIRC

and thigpen's fanclub remains undaunted

He hasn't played a down in a regular season game, but he's expected to perform as a franchise QB. If the expectations weren't higher for these guys, there would be no reason to make the investment in them, and teams would just sign the Trent Green's and Todd Collins of the league.

If Sanchez is used the way Flaaco is then it looks like he'll just be asked to manage the game and not **** up. A franchise QB should make plays no?

I am not a thigpen fan I am a chiefs fan. I could care less about thigpen I just asked why everyone loves Cassel so much. He threw for less than half the Tds that brady threw for and nobodys points that out or even seems to care.

it HAS been pointed out, look at mannings career tds year by year. then look at brady's MAYBE you will see the trend

So, you don't consider a guy like Drew Brees a franchise QB? I mean he has never come close to winning a superbowl, but has played at a high level.

Well, Gerard just her his neck for Jacksonville sooo uh oh

Manning had 29,49 and 28 touchdown passes in consecutive seasons. Was he only "three fifths" the QB in years 1 and 3 that he was in year 2?

Brady threw 24 touchdowns the year prior to throwing 50.

Nope.

But he wasn't taken with a high draft pick, either, so the expectations aren't as high.

Cassel is being touted as a franchise QB and is being paid like one - so he should be held to that standard.

We don't know what we have with Pollard yet. Playing safety in a Tampa 2 when you have no pass rush is about as tough an assignment you could ever ask for. I think Page is going to be much better with a pass rush. Pollard's a bit of a wild card, but I don't know enough to say for sure either way.

NFC Championship game.

Oh come on. You don't think Drew Brees has skills that you can build a franchise around?

I am not talking about Manning I was talking about Brady and Cassel. Where does Cassel fall on the list of Qbs in the leauge you would build a team around? Is he even in the top ten? We as Chiefs fans deserve better! Hell we deserve the best! We follow this team all year long we love them with all our hearts and the have not won a bowl for us since 1969!! I know the Bradys and Mannings don't come around every year but I think we could have done better than Cassel.

Brees was taken #32 overall, which is a higher pick than Cassel was traded for. He also signed for 6/60 in 2006, which is what Brady signed for in 2005.

Every fan base 'deserves' the best in their own eyes. In the meantime, there are only 2 franchise quarterbacks in all of the NFL, although Steelers fans might argue that the number is 3.

He absolutely has those skills. But he didn't have that expectation on him when he was drafted, or even when he signed with the Saints.

Were talking about expectation as well as skill.

Is Cassel in your top ten or not?

Curiously, does anyone have any numbers on how many starting QBs right now aren't being paid like a franchise QB, a handful? I mean the Panthers gave Delhomme reeruned money ffs.

Cassel didn't have that expectation on him when he was traded to the Chiefs. He didn't have that expectation on him when he signed his contract with the Chiefs. How is it any different?

I don't recall anyone saying he was considered a franchise QB the year he signed there.

Furthermore, if you needed one QB to win you a game, would you pick him?

I wouldn't.

Are you ****ing kidding?

Not until he shows he can perform at a high level without Moss/Welker/Belichick.

No. Just because you have pinned that on him because you were pissed off about the Sanchez situation, you think everyone else should buy into that nonsense. I can't recall a single analyst who was putting Cassel in the same class as Brady and Manning.

If I needed to win one game, I'd pick Tom Brady. If I couldn't have him, I'd hope to God he wasn't on the other team, and I'd look to Warner or Roethlisberger.

So it's nonsense to think that Matt Cassel can be a franchise QB.

Got it.

That's only the exact opposite of what the majority has been saying since the day we traded for him.