I forget his name, but the KC area doctor who was diluting his chemo treatments for profit definitely belongs on the list.

Robert Courtney. Not a bad nomination at all...

You know you suck when they make a "Law And Order" based on your case.

He lived down the street from my wife. We both went to HS with his daughter. It was a little surreal.

Harry Reid no wait Nancy Pelosi no wait the guy from the extenz commercial

Fine. You want murderers? Here you go then: A very haunting song/video by Sufjan Stevens.

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Guys like Madoff are a dime a dozen. Sure he operated at a higher scale than most, but at the end of the day he was just a thief. What Courtney did is nearly inconceivable to me.

George W. Bush
Dick Cheney
Henry Ford
Robert Fulton
Eli Whitney
John D. Rockefeller
Robert Oppenheimer
Lyndon Johnson
Karl Rove

Jeffrey Dahmer

David Rockefeller.

Steve Bartman....

OMG, you guys are slipping!!

Most definitely NOT a villain to me.

I can dig that tune. Thanks.

He pissed alot of people off.......they made halloween costumes of that guy.

That's how you know you're a villain.

Lol. I'll give you that point.

Whoever had the fantastically brilliant idea of nationalizing public education.

Screwed us over forever.

Gameover.

Whoever decided that not only was profiting from war not treasonous any more, but actually a function of our government and society.

They broke my heart.

Fred Phelps.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:L...rg_3awidec.jpg

But, he might not meet #4.

the cowboys owner
he is an asshat but...







ohh the koolaid guy guyana got it

The O'Leary's cow.

I'm sure it's been said, but I'm tired and don't feel like reading:

Carl Peterson

John Dillinger sure shot lots of G-men ..

Boss Tweed.

Al Capone.

Billy The Kid.

Jesse James.

Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker.

Leona Helmsley.

An example of villains who prey on the elderly:

Scammers Leave 82-year-old penniless

Actually, he only shot one that we know of.

Here's a nomination: Thomas Edison

Some nominations:

William Bryant and Francis May

Who?

William Bryant and Francis May were the owners of the Bryant and May Match Company. For quite a while, if you were a smoker you had Bryant and May matches in your pocket. Also the blood and tears of children.

Why They Were A hole Bosses:

Look, if you ever have a chance to take a job that requires you to first travel in a time machine to Victorian era England, don't do it. This is Scrooge era here, when filthy children roamed the streets, eating rats and doing adorable song and dance numbers.

So how crappy of a boss did you have to be to become the subject of huge public backlash in those days? Let's examine the Bryant and May method.

First, you hire nothing but young, teenage girls. There were plenty of them around, they had no other opportunities, and they weren't likely to beat you down with lead pipes when they got fed up with your crap. You work them 12 hours a day, and pay them in the neighborhood of four shillings a week (the equivalent of $20... in today's money).

Since forcing the workers to scrape by on quite a bit less than what it costs to buy food still wasn't keeping morale quite low enough, they imposed a series of petty fines for a long list of offenses--everything from going to the bathroom without permission, to having dirty feet. When one girl let a machine jam up rather than have it tear off her finger, she was told the machine was more important, dammit, and to never let it happen again. When another girl did get her hand mangled, she was given the boot. Can't make matches one-handed!

However, Bryant and May couldn't help but notice the other match companies were still making more money. What were they doing wrong? Clearly they weren't abusing their employees enough... was there some kind of torture device they could be using? Maybe if they just let wild badgers run loose on the production floor?

They had a better idea. They had been making their matches with the extremely flammable but otherwise safe red phosphorous. But there was this other kind, white phosphorous, that was way cheaper. And there was absolutely no downside.

Oh, except it would literally eat your face off when you handled it.

Seriously. They called the condition phossy jaw. It was caused by breathing the fumes for too long. The symptoms start with toothache, which led to swelling, abscesses and then a putrid discharge caused by your jaw bone actually rotting inside your head.

Then your jaw would actually start to glow green. It freaking glowed. The only treatment was jaw amputation, which had to be done before organ failure killed the victim.

Keep in mind, Bryant and May knew this; white phosphorous matches and the corresponding side effects had been around for decades. The girls at the factory finally went on strike, figuring horrifying deformities were the final straw. The whole "glow in the dark face-rot" won the sympathy of labor activists at the time, and the women eventually won the right to experience something less than David Cronenberg-levels of horror at their workplace.

The Bryant and May company, of course, stayed in business for decades and made its owners huge amounts of money.

Candidates #2: Max Blanck and Thomas Harris

Who?

Max Blanck and Thomas Harris were the owners and operators of the Triangle Shirtwaist Company, which made lady's blouses. Why blouses are called "shirtwaists" is lost to time, if by "time" you mean us not caring enough to go check. Did they only make the waist part of the shirt? We'll never know.

Why They Were A hole Bosses:

Blanck and Harris employed an almost entirely female workforce for the same reasons as Bryant and May: young, many of them immigrants, all with nowhere else to go. They paid six or seven dollars a week (again, crap money even in 1909) and when workers walked out demanding better conditions, the pair hired thugs to beat the crap out of them. When the garment workers' union finally came to an agreement with other manufacturers, Blanck and Harris said hell no.

On top of all this, it seems like a minor thing that they also locked one of the main factory exits from the outside, to supposedly prevent theft by employees. Minor, you know, unless there's a fire. But why would there be a fire in a factory full of machines, strips of dry cloth, tissue paper and smokers? Where there had been fires twice before?

On March 25, 1911, the inevitable happened. Some women made it out before one exit filled with smoke and flame. Others made it onto the fire escape, which collapsed. The rest were trapped inside, banging on that locked door, while they were cooked alive.

All told 146 people died, the worst fire in New York history (a record that would stand all the way until 9/11).

Blanck and Harris were charged with manslaughter. Luckily for them they had way more money than the plaintiffs, and they hired Max Steuer, the Johnny Cochran of his day. He tore apart the testimony of the survivors, hinting that the whole thing was a conspiracy by the evil labor unions, and that no one could prove the door was actually locked. Sure, they found the lock in the burned out rubble, still very much in its locked state. But couldn't it have been tampered with? By the unions

Blanck and Harris got off. But Blanck was arrested two years later for--get this-- locking his freaking workers inside another factory. Holy crap!

They had his butt now! Justice would be served! Oh, wait, no. He was fined $20.

But wait! Twenty-three families did successfully sue over the Triangle fire and won... $75 each. So, that's sort of justice, right? That's almost 2,000 bucks right there?

Wait, did we mention that Blanck and Harris filed a claim with their insurance after the fire? And got $60,000?

I refuse to read that, can you pls just tell me?

+1 for John Wilkes Booth.

Al Capone?

I don't think this passes rule no. 1. But then, I don't really like rule no. 1. I've always preferred complex and sympathetic villains over one-dimensional, outright monsters.

So I'm going to go with Robert E. Lee, someone who wasn't a bad man, and by all accounts was only acting out of a sense of loyalty and duty to his home. Nevertheless, he was most powerful figure in the Confederacy, which was the greatest threat this nation has ever faced outside of Britain and Nazi Germany.

You could also make an argument for Jefferson Davis, but I don't think he defined the Confederacy like Lee did.

Mark Chapman

Dick Cheney

/thread

It also is in violation of Rules #2 and #4. FAIL.

Okay. How can you argue that the Civil War did not occur on a national scale?

Also, Robert E. Lee was born and died an American. Therefore, I don't see how he violates rule number four at all.

It did occur on a national scale, but the "villian" of the North was pretty clearly the hero of the South. I re-read #4 and you are correct, he actually does pass that one since it specifies being against the "United States".

So your choice only breaks two rules. Although one would have been enough to disqualify.

The nominations I'm accepting so far are:

O.J. Simpson
Bernie Madoff
Timothy McVeigh
Ted Bundy
John Wilkes Booth
The BTK Killer
Benedict Arnold
Jeffrey Dahmer
Andrea Yates
Joseph McCarthy
The Unabomber
Karla Faye Tucker
Lizzie Borden
Charles Manson
David Berkowitz (Son of Sam)
John Wayne Gacy
The Zodiac Killer
The Green River Killer
Jim Jones
James Earl Ray
Ed Gein
Robert Courtney
Boss Tweed
Al Capone
Billy The Kid
Jesse James
Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker
Leona Helmsley
John Dillinger
Fred Phelps
Robert E. Lee
Mark Chapman
Al Capone
David Koresh
Bryant and May
Blanck and Harris

I'll also add:

Lee Harvey Oswald
Julius and Ethel Rosenburg
Nathan Bedford Forrest
Robert Hanssen
Aldrich Ames
John Walker
Kenneth Lay
Bernie Ebbers
Joseph Hazelwood

Anyone got others to add? Or did I miss any realistic options offered earlier?

I'd like to make a late case for removing Benedict Arnold from the list. And yes, I would do this at a dinner party. He was a very effective leader in the Revolutionary War. The hero of Saratoga. The victory at Saratoga is what convinced the French that the war was winnable, and therefore caused them to come in on our side.

It's conceivable we could have lost the war without Arnold. There is no way that his failed plot to surrender West Point harmed us in any significant way. While he was an effective general, Benedict Arnold was a completely incompetent traitor.

There. I did it. He fails Rule #1.

Also - Arnold's primary beef was frustration with his leadership not recognizing him and promoting him accordingly. He was kind of the "Jay Cutler" of Revolutionary War generals. His anger caused schisms in his allegiance between the colonies and Britain, which legitimately calls into question Rule #4.

David Rockefeller is an unknown villain. He is truly treacherous.

:rolleyes:

The rosenbergs who gave russia our atomic bomb secrets

John Elway...

Harry J. Anslinger. Should have Tommy-gunned that mother****er in to the dirt.

Henry Lee Lucas for the killer nomination, Aldrich Ames for the political nomination.

Welll....what kind of evidentiary proof do we need? Short or long form birth certificate, and must it be an original or will a copy suffice?









:p

Not that I agree with any of these choices, but there is some pretty clever thinking behind some of them.

John Wilkes Booth. No contest.

There have been some very good choices proposed so far, obviously. I'd have to go with Al Capone out of the ones I've seen, as the person who caused the most economic AND personal devastation.

Lucky Luciano, Carlo Gambino and Anthony Accardo, probably in that order, would be right up therew with Capone. If you ascribe the acts of their entire empires to them, then the amount of murder and misery they caused would far exceed what a Ted Bundy or any other single person could really do in one lifetime, though the individual acts would be "more evil" in the case of a Bundy or Dahmer. More sadistic at least.

And while those guys were a hero to a very small segment of society, I trust it's still in line with Rule #2.

Aaron Burr
Lorena Bobbit
Bill Belichick

The guy who laced the TYlenol capsules with cyanide. Every time you have to go to extreme measures to tear into a pill bottle, a bottle of water or a package of candy, you have him to thank. Not a real nomination, since they never caught him, but I've always thought he was one of the most influential people in the world.

Jason Whitlock...his writing is criminal.

Elmer Fudd.

(I'm lousy with directions BTW)

Barack freaking Obama! Put him on the list!

True evil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottis_Toole

**** that Robert E. Lee shit. Might as well put Sherman on the list. ****in yanks.

Ray Kroc

John Brown.

christopher columbus

pauly shore

I'll get some google searches going:

Leon Czolgosz
Charles J. Guiteau

Wayne Bent
Marshall Applewhite
Jim Jones
David Koresh

Not an American

Not an American

Benedict Arnold.

mussilini

Al Capone

Hitler

Phil Collins

The list will be incomplete without Barack Obama. I'm seriouis.

Ivan lendel

The Clash - london calling

Bel Biv Devoe

:deevee:

Pele