Twenty passes defensed, only two interceptions. Twenty chances. Look at the truly great corners, the legendary corners, and none of them have a passes defensed to interception ratio this low.

Sorry, the difference between good and great corners is making the offense pay for a mistake. He doesn't do that enough.

Not saying he isn't good. Not saying he isn't better than every person in the Chiefs secondary.

And, honestly, he is very good in run support as well, and is a very good overall player. ... but I am not scared to throw to his side.

Yes, we beat the fade.

It will be batshit crazy, louder than the last 3 years minimum...the 'Arrowhead Advantage' starts its arduous climb from the cellar Sunday.

So, to be the best CB in the league, you have to not only completely lock down the opposition's WR1, you have to get interceptions as well - when they all but refuse to throw to your side of the field?

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I'll take the Chiefs in a 20-17 nail-biter.

You are right! The guys who play in the NFL and those who are employed to evaluate talent missed this observation. I hope whoever starts at QB for KC heeds your expertise. :)

like I said...the only way we win is if JeMarcus makes two or three unforced errors that lead to points...which is something that isn't necessarily unlikely...

Nnamdi is a fantastic corner. Best in the NFL as far as anyone I have watched.

However I think we're going to be able to run the ball. And I think we'll load up and stop their ground game (which bogged down later in the game). Russell can't beat anyone. If we can simply MATCH the intensity we played with last week, we get Flowers and Cassel back. That should be enough. Then the Raiders will be 0-2 and will implode for the rest of the season like they always do.

you dumbasses need to get lives...posting .gifs to try and make people laugh is pretty 1999...we get it

I think some people are stuck in 1995 when they think Arrowhead is some magical home venue that creates a big home field advantage. The Chiefs have won 6 games in two years. 1 win at home last year and 2 at home in 2007. The Arrowhead mystique is gone.

Please pay attention. He has had 20 passes defensed over the last two years. That is twenty very good opportunities at interceptions. He did it 10% of the time.

Look at the historical greats, and they are usually between 30-50%. They actually make the QB pay, not just knock the ball down.

It took an extended vacation.

But i'm picking it up at the airport @ 3:15.

Oakland was tough to beat at home for years. Good football teams are hard to beat at home. Sunday two subpar teams will line up and one will win...maybe. The Chiefs are rebuilding and Oakland is in a mad mans limbo. People need to understand that these are two weak football teams going nowhere this year.

Historical greats were allowed to make contact with receivers.

Well we will see Sunday if the Chiefs test his side of the field.

I am paying attention.

To you, making dumbass comments like this:

I'd love to know who you think is a better CB right now than Asomugha.

Something tells me the flight has been delayed.

If the Raiders are only going to be one thing this year, its physical. Last week Baltimore knew we were game planning to stop their run and they went to the air. This week the Raiders know we are going to game plan to stop their run and they are still going to run.

Will this game sellout?

While I don't think it will be Arrowhead circa 1997, I don't think it will be as bad as it's been the past 4 years or so. I think Haley and Pioli have energized the broader fanbase much more than they have most of us that post here.

Sad but true, I can only hope they can because it is their only option.

If the team plays the first half against the Raiders like they did the Ravens, the fans will turn on Haley immediately.

How about Champ Bailey? Again, a much better PD to Int ratio.

Again, a PD is where the corner actually deflects the ball. The truly great ones pick those off.

Champ Bailey is still better than Asomugha.

Bailey plays all or nothing and gets beat often

LMAO

Get a life. Hmmmm.

Coming from the guy who's life consists of binge drinking, date rape, latent homosexual tendencies and working at ****ing Chili's or Applebee's - I think I'll pass on any "life coaching" advise you're offering.

But thanks anyway.

Yes Chiefs win. I mean they better win after how well they played against Baltimore. Anything else would be a step backwards.

From 2001 to 2004 Bailey had 49 PDs and 11 Ints. Was he a top corner at that point in time, or only when he went to Denver and got some more picks?

Rep

I think if we can force jafatass to throw our secondary can pick him off.

Champ Bailey.

ROFL

Vegas gives us a 63% chance of winning.

Baltimore was like 11th in offense last year or something.

Baltimore's offense did suck a few years ago, not now.

That sounds 'bout right, after all Sam 'Ace' Rothstein knows which faders are snorting coke, who's on the take, who got dumped by their girl...nothing gets past him.

We'll see. I think all of us tend to think of the average fan in the same ways we think of ourselves...

If the Raiders have 200+ yards of offense and Chiefs 5 at the half, they will boo and it will be deserved.

No matter the team and the GM, any team getting dominated like that by the Oakland Raiders will get booed and deservedly so.

If the Raiders have 200+ yards of offense and the Chiefs 5, but the score is 10-7 and we have a blocked punt for a TD, I guarantee you they won't be booing.

To be honest I see it playing out like this. The Raiders will dominate and make mistakes that keep KC in the game. If Oakland can move the ball on the ground they have a chance, if it comes down to a close game and Oakland has to throw I do not like their chances. I predict Oakland 24 KC 14. That said I would not put serious money on it.

With Seymour, they just may beat you.

The Raiders are not going to "dominate". I can see them getting their yards on the ground, but that defense still stinks and Russel stinks even more. So basically the Chiefs just need to load up the box and make Russel beat them. On offense we still scored 17 actual offensive points against a defense last week, on the road, that is light years better than what the Raiders are fielding. Get some real perspective.

Whatever That is how I see it.

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They're still the ****ing Raiders. Until they can prove to the world they won't self destruct. I won't take them seriously. No more seriously than anybody takes OTWP. There has been year after year of evidence.

I can see that playing out, except for the final score. Look at the past few games against the Raiders, the have run the ball very well, but J Russell misses wide open receivers. The Raiders continuously shoots themselves in the foot, or get a questionable penalty on a big play.

The script has been used a LOT of times during the history of this series. Why would it change now?

I really feel Oakland will move the ball, and I think whoever starts at QB for KC will be running for their life. That said you are right Oakland has found some strange ways to lose in KC over the years. I will not be suprised if KC wins. Strange things can happen when two bad football teams line up :)

Because you have silver and black shades on. You do know that your quarterback sucks right? How many passes did he complete again last night?

Aw, butthurt much over being called out?

The last two years, everyone has said what a gimme win the Raiders are, and then bitched and moaned when they curbstomped our ass on out own field.

So I guess go ahead and continue to think they are garbage, ignore the fact that their strengths are our weaknesses, and I'll see you right back here bitching on Monday after they beat us - for the 3rd straight year at home.

He might not have to complete any passes.

Last year he was 6 for 17 for 55 yards.

And they won 23-8.

****ing blow asshole! I am far from a homer :rolleyes:

Edit: They did rush for 300 yds against us. Holy shit I don't even remember that

QFT.

Not interested, drama queen. People bag on ROR, he can't hold a candle to you.

You know what is interesting is that they have beaten us twice at home but we have turned around and beat them at their house so it is kind of a wash

Sadly only Chiefs and Raiders fans will care who wins. Nobody else is paying attention.

This is the Chiefs break out game, where we run the table. 15-1.

A 35 year drought can make you thirsty it can also make you delusional :)

Yes, very much so or just having some fun at the Raider's expense and being sappy in the process.

The 35 year drought, I believe, is now at 40 years without a Super Bowl victory. Time to change that.

They seem to moving the right direction but I would get ready for that drought to grow in numbers by a few years before it ends. Raider fans are stuck reading the obituaries to find any hope. I would never wish death on Al but am resigned to the fact he will never retire and his name in the obituaries is my only chance for hope :banghead:

Damn it.

I knew they ran all over us, but I'd forgotten the extent of the embarrassment.

6-17-55. Mother****er...

About 300 yards IIRC.

So ironic that most are claiming we're going to beat the Raiders b/c of JR, when the fact is that it he's completely irrelevant, as last year aptly proves.

Gunther and Herm, or the lack thereof, are not irrelevant.

Well, hopefully the Chiefs won't be running the option this year, so that should help.

Because Haley and Clancy did so well in their first game?

I was speaking only about Oakland's QB play.

We're certainly better coached, and we'll be running an NFL offense, which, strangely, was missing all of last season.

We'll see how well the team "stops" the run, however. My guess is that the end zones will end up being the most successful in this regard, as I'm fully expecting to see Oakland roll up 200+ on the ground, with 300 a definite possibility.

One data point isn't enough to put those two into the category of Herm and Gunther.

After one week they are in the same category. The Chiefs defense played like ass for 90% of the game. The Chiefs offense played like ass for about 60% of the game. Thank goodness Haley was able to make some halftime adjustments on his side of the ball.

He intercepted the ball 22% of the time, Asamougha is 10% over the last two years.

Over the course of his career, he is at 35% of the time.

Asomugha has played 6 seasons in the NFL, he has a total of ten INT's. Eight of those came in one year.

Other than that one year, he has been very good, but not great.

In that one year, his PD to INT ratio was phenominal with 8 INT's versys 11 passes defensed.

For his first three years, he was considered a borderline bust. He has a great year, and then his reputation has carried him over the last two years.

It would be like Tamba Hali coming out and having 20 sacks this year and then having five or less the next two years.... and still being called the 'greatest'.

This.

I still hope/believe we can beat the Raiders this weekend.

No, next question.

This.

Dude, quit while you're ahead. Fine, Asamougha isn't the best CB in the game. It's debatable whatever.

Just don't mention Champ Bailey and "best CB" in the same sentence again if you want to have any shred of credibility left.

I understand he isn't quite the player he was, but at least he will still make you pay if you throw his way.

An incomplete pass doesn't worry me much.

Simile or not, you consistently compare garbage to apples.

And, yes, everyone understands your larger point.

For the first three years of Asomogha's career, he was considered a far bigger bust or reach than Tamba Hali through his first three years.

First three seasons of Asomogha's career, he had zero interceptions. He was considered a below average starter at best.

Not really. Eddie Kennison's got a pair of clown shoes in his trophy case with Champ's name on them.

Amazing what becoming second team All-Pro and Pro Bowler will do in year 4.

Ascending player > descending one.

Though it took a few years for Asomugha to recognize his potential, Hali will never sniff his level.

Every corner gets burned. Every single one. Deion, Rod Woodson, all of them get burned.

Cromartie got burned last night. Every cb does.

Not saying it will. It could, but I don't think it will.

The point is that Asomughas had two seasons he couldn't even get on the field, a subpar season as a starter, then a phenominal season followed by two good seasons.

The glow of that one good season will start to dim if he doesn't build on that year.