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Reaper16 09-20-2009 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 6093505)
I remember when Mario Williams was drafted and well, he was horrible his first year and a half, then uh oh.
UGH

doomy3 09-20-2009 04:49 PM
it is absolutely hilarious to watch billay try to pin that last run on the DL. It was a toss sweep that his boy, Mike Brown, was unblocked on and completely whiffed on the tackle. He had a chance to tackle him one on one at the line of scrimmage and was completely out of control instead of breaking down.

If you don't believe me, watch it here:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...cFadden-TD-run

Easy 6 09-20-2009 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 6093483)
This place is clownshoes.
Its a world of absolutes, where nobody will even consider the thought that they arent 100% right.

More like DC every day.

Halfcan 09-20-2009 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 6093508)
Just out of curiosity, in what way did Dorsey step it up when Jackson was apparently "getting pushed around" all day.
Dorsey had 4 tackles and was disrupting in the passing game as well. He jumped up and knocked down a sure 3rd down conversion and almost had the Int.

I have been hard on Dorsey but today he had his best game.

I was impressed with Tank as well- he led the team in tackles and To me is the reason we shut down the running game.

Halfcan 09-20-2009 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 6093505)
I remember when Mario Williams was drafted and well, he was horrible his first year and a half, then uh oh.
well lets hope that passing on Sanchez and Curry will not be looked back as a HUGE mistake in a few years.

the Talking Can 09-20-2009 04:55 PM
well, apparently there is a new definition of stopping the run, or stopping the pass


if a team scores on a single run play, then they by definition were successful running the ball that game....stats are irrelevant

same for passing


so next time journalist or a poster says, "we held them to 3 yards a carry and only 70 yards..we stopped the run"....you tell them they are wrong, because any score invalidates it....


lots of people have made this mistake over the years....like everyone, in fact...because it never occurred to them to think of such a stupid excuse....

LaChapelle 09-20-2009 04:57 PM
Someone gets credit for breaking Gallery's leg. That is if McFatass didn't fall on him.

kstater 09-20-2009 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6093554)
well, apparently there is a new definition of stopping the run, or stopping the pass


if a team scores on a single run play, then they by definition were successful running the ball that game....stats are irrelevant

same for passing


so next time journalist or a poster says, "we held them to 3 yards a carry and only 70 yards..we stopped the run"....you tell them they are wrong, because any score invalidates it....


lots of people have made this mistake over the years....like everyone, in fact...because it never occurred to them to think of such a stupid excuse....
The Steelers kicker has done his job today because he made both of his extra points. Those two missed FG's are irrelevant.

munkey 09-20-2009 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6093554)
well, apparently there is a new definition of stopping the run, or stopping the pass


if a team scores on a single run play, then they by definition were successful running the ball that game....stats are irrelevant

same for passing


so next time journalist or a poster says, "we held them to 3 yards a carry and only 70 yards..we stopped the run"....you tell them they are wrong, because any score invalidates it....


lots of people have made this mistake over the years....like everyone, in fact...because it never occurred to them to think of such a stupid excuse....
ROFL

Couldn't have said it better myself...THANK YOU.

Some on board are lost when it come to the game which is really kinda of sad in a way. :shake:

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-20-2009 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 6093461)
TO THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE PERSON THIS THREAD IS ABOUT. WHAT IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS?
NOTHING WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE INABILITY OF THE CHIEFS TO STOP THE RUN WHEN IT MATTERED MOST AND NOT JUST JESUS JACKSON, YOU DUMB ****!!

doomy3 09-20-2009 05:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6093554)
well, apparently there is a new definition of stopping the run, or stopping the pass


if a team scores on a single run play, then they by definition were successful running the ball that game....stats are irrelevant

same for passing


so next time journalist or a poster says, "we held them to 3 yards a carry and only 70 yards..we stopped the run"....you tell them they are wrong, because any score invalidates it....


lots of people have made this mistake over the years....like everyone, in fact...because it never occurred to them to think of such a stupid excuse....

No. This only works half the time.

See, if they would have run for 150 yards today, but we would have held them out of the end zone, we would have been gashed, and there would have been some kind of playcalling reason for why they didn't score. Certainly not because we stopped them. I honestly believe in order for people to be happy with the unit, we must hold the other team under 100 yards and shut them out. Because holding them to 170 total yards and 13 points certainly is inexcusable.

Halfcan 09-20-2009 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6093570)
NOTHING WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE INABILITY OF THE CHIEFS TO STOP THE RUN WHEN IT MATTERED MOST AND NOT JUST JESUS JACKSON, YOU DUMB ****!!
ROFLROFL

wow

munkey 09-20-2009 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 6093562)
The Steelers kicker has done his job today because he made both of his extra points. Those two missed FG's are irrelevant.

STOP IT...For F(*KS sake...good lord. You're comparing a Kicker's stats to the rest of the team? :shake:

doomy3 09-20-2009 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6093570)
NOTHING WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE INABILITY OF THE CHIEFS TO STOP THE RUN WHEN IT MATTERED MOST AND NOT JUST JESUS JACKSON, YOU DUMB ****!!
This thread is about Tyson Jackson, and whether he had a good game or not. But, I guess that is irrelevant.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-20-2009 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6093486)
really, 1 5 yard run means we didn't stop the run?

every play on that series was a pass......they won because of passing

this is the dishonest argument you are really going to make? that 1 play means we didn't stop the run, even though we clearly did?


70 yards on 21 carries isn't stopping the run, if one run is a td


holy shit
Jesus Christ, if Oakland wanted to run the ball, they would have. I love how Larry has 24 for 78 and he looks like "new man" or like the '05 Larry, but the Raiders, who came out passing rather than running, and constantly put themselves in 3rd and forever because of it, run for nearly the same YPC and we stonewalled them.

The fact of the matter is this:

Teams get most of their yards running on carries 20-40.
Cable ****ed his own team through dipshitted playcalling.
We never had to defend more than one or two runs per drive because of said dipshitted playcalling.

We didn't stop shit, they stopped themselves.

This is about as funny as some ****s arguing that we stopped the Ravens in '03 when they kept stepping on their dicks in goal to go situations.

Halfcan 09-20-2009 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 6093577)
No. This only works half the time.

See, if they would have run for 150 yards today, but we would have held them out of the end zone, we would have been gashed, and there would have been some kind of playcalling reason for why they didn't score. Certainly not because we stopped them. I honestly believe in order for people to be happy with the unit, we must hold the other team under 100 yards and shut them out. Because holding them to 170 total yards and 13 points certainly is inexcusable.
I never said we didnt shut the running game down-but the Faders did not try to pound it on us either-which was dumb on their part. They put themselves in a lot of 3rd and long.


My point was-that for being a #3 pick and the highest paid player on the D-he should have more than one ****ing tackle.

tk13 09-20-2009 05:05 PM
Maybe we should start placing bets on which week Hamas' brain actually explodes.

Halfcan 09-20-2009 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by munkey (Post 6093580)
STOP IT...For F(*KS sake...good lord. You're comparing a Kicker's stats to the rest of the team? :shake:
I think he was being sarcastic-lol

doomy3 09-20-2009 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 6093586)
I never said we didnt shut the running game down-but the Faders did not try to pound it on us either-which was dumb on their part. They put themselves in a lot of 3rd and long.


My point was-that for being a #3 pick and the highest paid player on the D-he should have more than one ****ing tackle.
They ran the ball on over 50% of their plays. Not that facts are worth anything in this discussion.

munkey 09-20-2009 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6093583)
Jesus Christ, if Oakland wanted to run the ball, they would have. I love how Larry has 24 for 78 and he looks like "new man" or like the '05 Larry, but the Raiders, who came out passing rather than running, and constantly put themselves in 3rd and forever because of it, run for nearly the same YPC and we stonewalled them.

The fact of the matter is this:

Teams get most of their yards running on carries 20-40.
Cable ****ed his own team through dipshitted playcalling.
We never had to defend more than one or two runs per drive because of said dipshitted playcalling.

We didn't stop shit, they stopped themselves.

This is about as funny as some ****s arguing that we stopped the Ravens in '03 when they kept stepping on their dicks in goal to go situations.
So the Raiders basically made our defense look good because of coaching...

Same can be said about our defensive coaching on the last the drive the raiders had....

My point is your point is completely pointless...It's a game and it really doesn't matter until the fat lady sings. Hindsight is 20/20

the Talking Can 09-20-2009 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 6093594)
They ran the ball on over 50% of their plays. Not that facts are worth anything in this discussion.
they aren't


people are hell bent on making a point, facts are irrelevant....

munkey 09-20-2009 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 6093591)
I think he was being sarcastic-lol

I hope so...

Halfcan 09-20-2009 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 6093594)
They ran the ball on over 50% of their plays. Not that facts are worth anything in this discussion.
The fact is that Action Jackson signed a 57 million dollar contract with 31 mil up front and he had ZERO sacks or tackles last week and 1 lousy tackle this week.

Halfcan 09-20-2009 05:15 PM
At this rate he will have 8 tackles in 16 games.

Like I said Mecca called this one.

LaChapelle 09-20-2009 05:16 PM
The canary died, who farted

Jerm 09-20-2009 05:17 PM
2 games people...2 games.

Jesus Christ lol.
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dirk digler 09-20-2009 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6093583)
Jesus Christ, if Oakland wanted to run the ball, they would have. I love how Larry has 24 for 78 and he looks like "new man" or like the '05 Larry, but the Raiders, who came out passing rather than running, and constantly put themselves in 3rd and forever because of it, run for nearly the same YPC and we stonewalled them.

The fact of the matter is this:

Teams get most of their yards running on carries 20-40.
Cable ****ed his own team through dipshitted playcalling.
We never had to defend more than one or two runs per drive because of said dipshitted playcalling.

We didn't stop shit, they stopped themselves.

This is about as funny as some ****s arguing that we stopped the Ravens in '03 when they kept stepping on their dicks in goal to go situations.
Cmon Hamas we rushed for 167 yds vs 67 for the Raiders. We stopped the run but it doesn't really matter because we couldn't stop Russell passing when it mattered.

the Talking Can 09-20-2009 05:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6093583)
Jesus Christ, if Oakland wanted to run the ball, they would have. I love how Larry has 24 for 78 and he looks like "new man" or like the '05 Larry, but the Raiders, who came out passing rather than running, and constantly put themselves in 3rd and forever because of it, run for nearly the same YPC and we stonewalled them.

The fact of the matter is this:

Teams get most of their yards running on carries 20-40.
Cable ****ed his own team through dipshitted playcalling.
We never had to defend more than one or two runs per drive because of said dipshitted playcalling.

We didn't stop shit, they stopped themselves.

This is about as funny as some ****s arguing that we stopped the Ravens in '03 when they kept stepping on their dicks in goal to go situations.
the raiders tried to run and couldn't

that's the truth

you can't provide a single piece of evidence to dispute it

they tried to run, they couldn't....the stats don't lie, and the game tape doesn't lie...there were no holes

you're wrong, but you're also to much an ego maniac to simply admit it

this is the most open and shut case in the history of the planet: you are wrong

tk13 09-20-2009 05:26 PM
You know, after looking the stat sheet over I'd have to agree, especially that we stopped the run fairly well in the 2nd half. Prior to the last 2 minute drive which was all through the air... between halftime and the last 2:30... on 1st and 2nd down... Oakland had 10 runs and 1 pass. And only 2 first downs. Then it completely fell apart on that last drive.

Halfcan 09-20-2009 05:26 PM
If anyone can sit back and say they are happy that our 57 million dollar number 3 pick is sitting with 1 tackle after 2 games-you are bullshitting us.

Sorry I am disapointed as hell with him. Tyson led the team in sacks in the preseason and looked like he was going to be a powerful force up the middle. Today he looked like a bust of Simms proportions.

TheGuardian 09-20-2009 05:26 PM
Wow. So 2 games in and Tyson Jackson is already a bust.

Just when you think some of the people on this board can't get any more reeruned.

And Hamas and Billay are the two dumbest MF'ers on this site. End of discussion.

Halfcan 09-20-2009 05:27 PM
Tank had his best game as a Chief today. He has taken a lot of shit-but tday at least-played his heart out.

Props to Tank!!

kstater 09-20-2009 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6093669)
Wow. So 2 games in and Tyson Jackson is already a bust.

Just when you think some of the people on this board can't get any more reeruned.

And Hamas and Billay are the two dumbest MF'ers on this site. End of discussion.
Don't lump Hamas with Billay.

While Hamas might have some differing opinions, he's not dumb.

Reaper16 09-20-2009 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6093669)
Wow. So 2 games in and Tyson Jackson is already a bust.

Just when you think some of the people on this board can't get any more reeruned.

And Hamas and Billay are the two dumbest MF'ers on this site. End of discussion.
You are a functional [loosely defined] reerun; you can't call "end of discussion" on anything.

doomy3 09-20-2009 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 6093672)
Tank had his best game as a Chief today. He has taken a lot of shit-but tday at least-played his heart out.

Props to Tank!!
So, Tank and Dorsey played great games, but Tyson Jackson sucked? What the ****?

Halfcan 09-20-2009 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6093669)
Wow. So 2 games in and Tyson Jackson is already a bust.

Just when you think some of the people on this board can't get any more reeruned.

And Hamas and Billay are the two dumbest MF'ers on this site. End of discussion.
Who called him a bust? Just very disapointed so far.

The experts had him as a mid to late round pick-we take him #3?

It looks like a real dumb pick so far though.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-20-2009 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6093641)
Cmon Hamas we rushed for 167 yds vs 67 for the Raiders. We stopped the run but it doesn't really matter because we couldn't stop Russell passing when it mattered.
Oakland's first two drives last week:

<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><thead><tr class="ysptblhead3"><th class="l" colspan="3">Oakland - 14:26 </th> </tr> </thead> <tbody class="ysptblcontent1"> <tr class="ysprow1"> <td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"> 1st-10, OAK29</td> <td valign="top">14:26</td> <td valign="top">M. Bush rushed up the middle for 17 yard gain</td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow2"> <td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"> 1st-10, OAK46</td> <td valign="top">14:08</td> <td valign="top">D. McFadden rushed to the left for 9 yard gain</td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1"> <td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"> 2nd-1, SD45</td> <td valign="top">13:10</td> <td valign="top">D. McFadden rushed up the middle for 5 yard gain</td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow2"> <td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"> 1st-10, SD40</td> <td valign="top">12:48</td> <td valign="top">SD committed 5 yard penalty</td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1"> <td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"> 1st-5, SD35</td> <td valign="top">12:43</td> <td valign="top">J. Russell incomplete pass to the right</td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow2"> <td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"> 2nd-5, SD35</td> <td valign="top">12:35</td> <td valign="top">M. Bush rushed up the middle for 4 yard gain</td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1"> <td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"> 3rd-1, SD31</td> <td valign="top">12:35</td> <td valign="top">OAK committed 5 yard penalty</td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow2"> <td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"> 3rd-6, SD36</td> <td valign="top">11:36</td> <td valign="top">J. Russell passed to Z. Miller down the middle for 11 yard gain</td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1"> <td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"> 1st-10, SD25</td> <td valign="top">10:55</td> <td valign="top">Q. Jammer intercepted J. Russell for 21 yards</td> </tr> <tr class="ysptblspacer10"> <td colspan="3">
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This week:

<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><thead><tr class="ysptblhead3"><th class="l" colspan="3">Oakland - 14:54 </th> </tr> </thead> <tbody class="ysptblcontent1"> <tr class="ysprow1"> <td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"> 1st-10, OAK20</td> <td valign="top">14:54</td> <td valign="top">J. Russell incomplete pass to the left</td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow2"> <td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"> 2nd-10, OAK20</td> <td valign="top">14:49</td> <td valign="top">D. McFadden rushed to the left for 4 yard gain</td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1"> <td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"> 3rd-6, OAK24</td> <td valign="top">14:25</td> <td valign="top">J. Russell incomplete pass to the right</td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow2"> <td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"> 4th-6, OAK24</td> <td valign="top">14:10</td> <td valign="top">S. Lechler punt. B. Wade returned punt for 6 yards</td> </tr> <tr class="ysptblspacer10"> <td colspan="3">
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TheGuardian 09-20-2009 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 6093683)
Who called him a bust? Just very disapointed so far.

The experts had him as a mid to late round pick-we take him #3?

It looks like a real dumb pick so far though.
Two games into his rookie year WTF is it that you are expecting? Stats? Do you understand how this defense works? I guess not.

Halfcan 09-20-2009 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 6093675)
So, Tank and Dorsey played great games, but Tyson Jackson sucked? What the ****?
Those 2 had several big stops and had 12 tackles today.

TheGuardian 09-20-2009 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6093684)
Oakland's first two drives last week:

<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><thead><tr class="ysptblhead3"><th class="l" colspan="3">Oakland - 14:26 </th> </tr> </thead> <tbody class="ysptblcontent1"> <tr class="ysprow1"> <td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"> 1st-10, OAK29</td> <td valign="top">14:26</td> <td valign="top">M. Bush rushed up the middle for 17 yard gain</td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow2"> <td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"> 1st-10, OAK46</td> <td valign="top">14:08</td> <td valign="top">D. McFadden rushed to the left for 9 yard gain</td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1"> <td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"> 2nd-1, SD45</td> <td valign="top">13:10</td> <td valign="top">D. McFadden rushed up the middle for 5 yard gain</td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow2"> <td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"> 1st-10, SD40</td> <td valign="top">12:48</td> <td valign="top">SD committed 5 yard penalty</td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1"> <td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"> 1st-5, SD35</td> <td valign="top">12:43</td> <td valign="top">J. Russell incomplete pass to the right</td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow2"> <td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"> 2nd-5, SD35</td> <td valign="top">12:35</td> <td valign="top">M. Bush rushed up the middle for 4 yard gain</td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1"> <td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"> 3rd-1, SD31</td> <td valign="top">12:35</td> <td valign="top">OAK committed 5 yard penalty</td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow2"> <td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"> 3rd-6, SD36</td> <td valign="top">11:36</td> <td valign="top">J. Russell passed to Z. Miller down the middle for 11 yard gain</td> </tr> <tr class="ysprow1"> <td valign="top" nowrap="nowrap"> 1st-10, SD25</td> <td valign="top">10:55</td> <td valign="top">Q. Jammer intercepted J. Russell for 21 yards</td> </tr> <tr class="ysptblspacer10"> <td colspan="3">
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They tried to run. They couldn't. STFU.

TheGuardian 09-20-2009 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 6093688)
Those 2 had several big stops and had 12 tackles today.
So? You're basing your whole basis on stats ALONE. That doesn't really tell you anything about how good or bad Jackson played in this style of defense does it? No. But you don't seem to understand that.

tk13 09-20-2009 05:32 PM
Yeah but you can't just cherry pick that. The Raiders clearly tried to establish the run in the 2nd half and we stopped them on 1st and 2nd down most times. Prior to the final drive they attempted one pass on 1st or 2nd down the entire half.

1ChiefsDan 09-20-2009 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6093684)
Oakland's first two drives last week:

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Yeah - they couldn't run the ball. McFadden 4 yards and 1 yard on his first 2 tries. Not 15+

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-20-2009 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6093689)
They tried to run. They couldn't. STFU.
Only someone who didn't watch that game would make that claim, reerunian.

Dipshittedly, they came out passing. It's almost like you drew up the game plan.

dirk digler 09-20-2009 05:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6093684)
Notice any differences?
Yeah they were afraid of our vaunted rush D. ;)

Halfcan 09-20-2009 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6093687)
Two games into his rookie year WTF is it that you are expecting? Stats? Do you understand how this defense works? I guess not.
More than 1 ****ing tackle in two games. Tyson was man handled today-BAD!

Sorry I dont think the Cheaps picked him just to eat blocks-he needs to be able to bust loose and make some plays for that crazy $ he is getting paid.

the Talking Can 09-20-2009 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6093684)
Oakland's first two drives last week:

Notice any differences?

yeah, san diego couldn't stop the run and we could


this is becoming embarrassing, but also hilarious....keep it up

ROFL

Cornstock 09-20-2009 05:34 PM
I was glad that Dorsey wasnt completely invisible today. Is he starting to get it or no?

Halfcan 09-20-2009 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6093697)
Only someone who didn't watch that game would make that claim, reerunian.

Dipshittedly, they came out passing. It's almost like you drew up the game plan.
ROFL

KC kid 09-20-2009 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 6093590)
Maybe we should start placing bets on which week Hamas' brain actually explodes.
There is no brain to explode.

milkman 09-20-2009 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6093491)
If they stopped the run that would mean they stopped Mcfadden and probably would have won the game. They didn't and they lost. Thats not stopping the run.
I ****ing 5 yard run means they didn't stop the run.

OK, Got it.

JFC, people can be so ****ing dishonest just attempting to prove they're right.

Halfcan 09-20-2009 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Cornstock (Post 6093704)
I was glad that Dorsey wasnt completely invisible today. Is he starting to get it or no?
Dawson was praising him on the radio when I was taking a piss.

LaChapelle 09-20-2009 05:35 PM
Humas may been penzing.

doomy3 09-20-2009 05:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 6093701)
More than 1 ****ing tackle in two games. Tyson was man handled today-BAD!

Sorry I dont think the Cheaps picked him just to eat blocks-he needs to be able to bust loose and make some plays for that crazy $ he is getting paid.
ROFLROFLROFL

TheGuardian 09-20-2009 05:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6093697)
Only someone who didn't watch that game would make that claim, reerunian.

Dipshittedly, they came out passing. It's almost like you drew up the game plan.
They ran the ball 25 times. They didn't run it more because it wasn't working. Their longest run of the day was 10 fucking yards idiot.

doomy3 09-20-2009 05:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6093711)
I ****ing 5 yard run means they didn't stop the run.

OK, Got it.

JFC, people can be so ****ing dishonest just attempting to prove they're right.

No ****ing shit.

milkman 09-20-2009 05:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 6093497)
ROFL I expect more than one tackle and to be pushed around like a bitch when the game is on the line.

Dorsey stepped it up a bit. Maybe it is going to just take a couple of years to get anything out of this guy. Or maybe he is the next Ryan Simms-he looked like Simms today,
You know, why don't you post on a sesame street board with people who are only slightly your intellectual betters.

Stop posting stuid ****ing shit here.

Holy Christ.

TheGuardian 09-20-2009 05:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 6093701)
More than 1 ****ing tackle in two games. Tyson was man handled today-BAD!

Sorry I dont think the Cheaps picked him just to eat blocks-he needs to be able to bust loose and make some plays for that crazy $ he is getting paid.
If he had been getting man handled then Oakland would have been able to run off tackle. They couldn't. You have no idea what you're talking about.

doomy3 09-20-2009 05:38 PM
Last week against San Diego, when the Oakland Offense looked so good, they raun the ball 30 times and threw it 32 times. Nearly the exact same percentages as this week.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-20-2009 05:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 6093692)
Yeah but you can't just cherry pick that. The Raiders clearly tried to establish the run in the 2nd half and we stopped them on 1st and 2nd down most times. Prior to the final drive they attempted one pass on 1st or 2nd down the entire half.
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Those are Oakland's second half drives before their comeback drive. That's 11 carries for 43 yards, and there is only one drive (5:40, 3rd quarter) where we actually shut down their run. Any other time that they came out and ran on first and second down, they had 3rd and 4 or less.

TheGuardian 09-20-2009 05:40 PM
I think it's obvious that some people want to FIND something to bitch about. All week all we heard was how Oakland was going to rush for 400 yards on us. Today they get their dick knocked in the dirt all day when they tried to run the ball, but we REALLY didn't stop them. They just stopped themselves. fucking clueless idiots.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-20-2009 05:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6093720)
They ran the ball 25 times. They didn't run it more because it wasn't working. Their longest run of the day was 10 fucking yards idiot.
Russell running around for his life is not a rushing attempt. That's a pass play that breaks down into a run. That happened three times.

doomy3 09-20-2009 05:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6093741)
Any other time that they came out and ran on first and second down, they had 3rd and 4 or less.
Yeah, that's what a 3 YPC average will get you. Is that the goal?

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-20-2009 05:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6093742)
I think it's obvious that some people want to FIND something to bitch about. All week all we heard was how Oakland was going to rush for 400 yards on us. Today they get their dick knocked in the dirt all day when they tried to run the ball, but we REALLY didn't stop them. They just stopped themselves. fucking clueless idiots.
What part of 7/24 isn't stopping themselves, you ****ing reerun?

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-20-2009 05:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 6093754)
Yeah, that's what a 3 YPC average will get you. Is that the goal?
The goal of a good run D is to put the other team in 3rd and long. The Raiders did that to themselves by letting Russell pass on first and second down.

TheGuardian 09-20-2009 05:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6093756)
What part of 7/24 isn't stopping themselves, you ****ing reerun?
What part of their YPC average don't you get reerun? They tried running. It didn't fucking work. The reason a lot of ground based teams get away from the run is when it's not working.

Second, they probably watched Joe Flacco carve us up a new one last week and decided to see if they could establish the pass early then run on us late. When they pass failed they tried to establish the ground game and it got stuffed.

Get a fucking clue you meltdown moron.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-20-2009 05:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6093765)
What part of their YPC average don't you get reerun? They tried running. It didn't fucking work. The reason a lot of ground based teams get away from the run is when it's not working.

Second, they probably watched Joe Flacco carve us up a new one last week and decided to see if they could establish the pass early then run on us late. When they pass failed they tried to establish the ground game and it got stuffed.

Get a fucking clue you meltdown moron.
So, when they come out passing, they are getting away from the run because it's not working...OK.

And the Raiders decided to play to their weakness, rather than their strength.

That says two things:

1) You're a ****ing idiot
2) The Raiders are ****ing idiots

You're a match made in hell.

milkman 09-20-2009 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 6093562)
The Steelers kicker has done his job today because he made both of his extra points. Those two missed FG's are irrelevant.
You're really gonig to make this your argument?

Really?

tk13 09-20-2009 05:48 PM
I think that absolutely proves my point. But to each his own. We allowed 2 first downs, they only attempted one pass. They did not move the chains running the football like they did against the Chargers. It's not even close. The Chargers allowed more first downs on the ground in those first two drives you posted than we did in the entire game today.

We stopped the run on 1st and 2nd down, got them in 3rd down situations and then we got them off the field. I don't know what on earth you're expecting. If you're expecting 85 Bears style play, then yes, that's a disappointment. For us to have been "more successful" stopping the run we literally would've had to hold them to about 40 yards rushing for the game under your scenario.

googlegoogle 09-20-2009 05:50 PM
D was strong except passrush.

kstater 09-20-2009 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6093778)
You're really gonig to make this your argument?

Really?

Well his job is to kick extra points.////

dirk digler 09-20-2009 05:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 6093781)
I think that absolutely proves my point. But to each his own. We allowed 2 first downs, they only attempted one pass. They did not move the chains running the football like they did against the Chargers. It's not even close. The Chargers allowed more first downs on the ground in those first two drives you posted than we did in the entire game today.

We stopped the run on 1st and 2nd down, got them in 3rd down situations and then we got them off the field. I don't know what on earth you're expecting. If you're expecting 85 Bears style play, then yes, that's a disappointment. For us to have been "more successful" stopping the run we literally would've had to hold them to about 40 yards rushing for the game under your scenario.
Yep and we only allowed 67 yds which is pretty good.

Bwana 09-20-2009 05:54 PM
I don't expect much out of Jackson his first year. I was just glad to see Dorsey step it up.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-20-2009 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 6093781)
I think that absolutely proves my point. But to each his own. We allowed 2 first downs, they only attempted one pass. They did not move the chains running the football like they did against the Chargers. It's not even close. The Chargers allowed more first downs on the ground in those first two drives you posted than we did in the entire game today.

We stopped the run on 1st and 2nd down, got them in 3rd down situations and then we got them off the field. I don't know what on earth you're expecting. If you're expecting 85 Bears style play, then yes, that's a disappointment. For us to have been "more successful" stopping the run we literally would've had to hold them to about 40 yards rushing for the game under your scenario.
I love how the narrative of what actually happened in the game changes after the game is over. Go back and read the first half of the game thread. This is what you'll see:

"Holy shit, I can't believe the Raiders are this ****ing stupid"
"Cable is the best D-coordinator we've ever had"
"The Raiders keep stopping themselves with bad play calling"

Were we better against the run today? Hell yes. But let's not start sucking each other's dicks. This is a bad run defense, and we "stopped" it about as well as the Patriots stopped Marshall Faulk in the Super Bowl. When your coaches don't come out to establish what you do well, it's not the other team that has stopped that part from working, it's those coaches.

The truly amazing thing is that Russell was so bad, and so inaccurate, that he wasn't even able to hit swing and flare passes. Had he even done that, you probably would have (but not definitely) seen a lot more running, as the lanes were wide open and it would have extended the drives.

1ChiefsDan 09-20-2009 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6093803)
I love how the narrative of what actually happened in the game changes after the game is over. Go back and read the first half of the game thread. This is what you'll see:

"Holy shit, I can't believe the Raiders are this ****ing stupid"
"Cable is the best D-coordinator we've ever had"
"The Raiders keep stopping themselves with bad play calling"

Were we better against the run today? Hell yes. But let's not start sucking each other's dicks. This is a bad run defense, and we "stopped" it about as well as the Patriots stopped Marshall Faulk in the Super Bowl. When your coaches don't come out to establish what you do well, it's not the other team that has stopped that part from working, it's those coaches.

The truly amazing thing is that Russell was so bad, and so inaccurate, that he wasn't even able to hit swing and flare passes. Had he even done that, you probably would have (but not definitely) seen a lot more running, as the lanes were wide open and it would have extended the drives.
ROFLROFLNow we are supposed to judge how well the Chiefs did based on what someone posted on a "game thread". JFC

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-20-2009 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan (Post 6093813)
ROFLROFLNow we are supposed to judge how well the Chiefs did based on what someone posted on a "game thread". JFC
It doesn't surprise me that you're too stupid to get the point. The point is that people will do anything to look for positives here, and today it's the fact that our D was stopping the run, when the reality is that Tom Cable stopped the run.

milkman 09-20-2009 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 6093586)
I never said we didnt shut the running game down-but the Faders did not try to pound it on us either-which was dumb on their part. They put themselves in a lot of 3rd and long.


My point was-that for being a #3 pick and the highest paid player on the D-he should have more than one ****ing tackle.
Damn, the Pats should have jettisoned that useless ass Richard Seymour years ago, cause he has only averaged about 2 tackles a game for his entire career.

What the hell were they thinking?

tk13 09-20-2009 06:01 PM
I didn't participate in the game thread, I usually don't, I haven't read it, and I don't give a crap what anybody says in them because they are usually full of instant in the moment overreaction. I agree, the Raiders tried to pass it too much on 1st and 2nd down in the first half. They obviously made a halftime adjustment and tried to start running it down their throat like they did to the Chargers last week... and they couldn't.

And they aren't going to unless Russell gets his head out, because teams are going to stack the box on them. In the 2nd half they had what? 10 or 11 rushes on 1st or 2nd down... and one pass. One. They were trying to run the ball down our throat and gash us for 8, 9, 10 yards a shot like they did against the Chargers. And they couldn't do it. We'd immediately put them in 3rd down situations and force them to make a decision. And they were usually make bad ones. That's playing well. But this isn't even worth a prolonged argument over because we lost the game, and our pass defense has been pretty rough.

Halfcan 09-20-2009 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6093728)
You know, why don't you post on a sesame street board with people who are only slightly your intellectual betters.

Stop posting stuid ****ing shit here.

Holy Christ.
With all the picks we could have had-they reached with Jackson JUST like Mecca said many times on here-and now it shows.

aturnis 09-20-2009 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6093436)
So we shut down the Raiders running but they still scored the game winning TD on a run. Thats not shutting it down if you lose.
Go get your helmet and go play with the rest of the special kids billay.

The Chiefs did shut down the run. One play doesn't summarize a whole game. Not this one anyways. Yes the Raiders did run it in for the go ahead touchdown, that doesn't change the fact that the run was a moot point for their offense the rest of the game.

Their passing game was a moot point too, until the final drive. You can chalk that up to scheme and the LB's.


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