The loss isn't the concern. Conceding the game bothers me.

Bart Scott was a FA also, but to make these moves we'd have probably had to have a different HC.

Maybe its the shitty ass players then

All I want is to give Cassel a chance to develop.

Surrounding him with an offensive line that forces him into a pass offense that relies on screens and doesn't let him go through progressions not only holds back his development, it also makes him a greater injury risk and it might make him develop poor habits like not checking down receivers and running first instead of settling into a pocket.

If nothing else happens this season, I wanted to see Cassel get better. Based on the last two games, all I hope is that we don't **** him up.

Who should he have brought in that he didn't? Come on. You must have names of people we passed over to be this passionate about it.

Yep. I will say that practically ignoring the O-Line when it was horrible last year has to fall on his shoulders. I still haven't heard a reason for that.

Dude Hamas has posted names 4 times, are you blind?

If I were on the team, and the coach didn't call any pass plays and we were trailing by double digits and couldn't run for shit.... I may just have second thoughts about how qualified my coach was.

Again, you and I are on the same page here.

I want to see the Chiefs do better. I want to see Cassel develop into a hell of a QB and I want to see the Chiefs dominate the line of scrimmage again like we used to.

I just want some of these people to tell me who we specifically didn't go after.

If the ref had walked up to Todd Haley with 10 minutes to go in the 3rd and said "hey do you just wanna call it and go home now?" he would have said "yes, just end it" that was how that 2nd half was.

You could argue the Chiefs conceded the entire season by entering a season with a roster so void of talent.

I guess we should look on the bright side to the fact that the Chiefs are going to be forced to spend $$$ next offseason to avoid having their payroll drop below the NFL payroll minimum.

This after Clark Hunt said it was urgent the taxpayers of Jackson County open their wallet for millions of $$$ in stadium renovations and this as the Chiefs continue to charge $20+ for gameday parking.

I hope Clark brings his country club stiffs of a family out on the field during halftime next week, like he did during halftime of the Raiders game, and brings his fat ass GM with him so the fans in Arrowhead Stadium can shower them with the boos they deserve.

I'm about to call you a bunch of really abrasive names for ignoring the posts with the names.

Haley answered this in his pC.

Really what was his answer?

"My players got ****ed in the ass so hard I figured we should just get it over with"

Yes.

Its all over.

We gave a long list. I think where we're on a different page is that I think for the offensive line, we should have been okay with stopgaps.

We're not talking long-term solutions here. I agree that with the available options, we probably would have gotten one at the most (if any). But there were plenty of short-term solutions out there. And given the importance of developing and protecting your QB that you traded for, it should have been a priority to at least make us as good at every line position as possible.

The lists every one has brought up consists of cheap, short-term fixes, all of which were better than our current options. None of them would have turned our offensive line around, but all of them would have made it better.

One more time, for the ****ing troglodytes:

OL

FA: Jason Brown, Ray Willis.

Draft: Round 2: Eben Britton, Max Unger, Andy Levitre, William Beatty (Cassel Trade)
Round 3: (Magee): Antoine Caldwell, Kraig Urbik, Louis Vazquez
Round 4: Jonathan Luigs
Round 5: Duke Robinson, Fenuki Tupou

Defense:

For DL: Olshansky, Canty,
For S: Jim Leonhard would have been a better pickup than Brown

Could be that he has you on ignore because of all the Sanchez talk.

He wasn't too happy with my allusion, in the game thread, to Sanchez's early success.

I think it comes down to the Chiefs had a set amount of money they were spending they spent it on 2 players.

Sad, aint it? So who are the next hot GM and HC candidates?

Oh so he's one of those bleeding vagina posters is he?

Chiefzilla,

I'm not arguing with you. You provided me a list and I completely agree, some of them would have been an improvement.

It's the other gloom and doomers who I want responses from. I haven't seen a response from anyone but you.

I've also seen a few names brought up in other threads, and the same people who're bringing up their names now were the SAME people who were screaming that they were a waste of money, too old, not the right mix, etc. a few months ago.

So which is it? Should I believe them now or should I have believed them in May/June?

I highly doubt that the game has passed Art Donovan by yet, lets try it...:shrug:

WTF?

Do you Hamas on ignore?

How the **** can you be so ****ing stupid?

He wanted to keep running because this team has no identity. He said it had a purpose as far as the team goes and he would leave it at that

I am also sure that the O-Line giving Cassel .00005 seconds to throw the ball played into that as well.

The purpose was to just get the game over with.

Frankly, I don't see how it matters. The Chiefs had two options: run a screen pass where Cassel gets walloped as he gets rid of the ball or run the ball unsuccessfully.

I would rather have option B, even if it's conservative.

It's pretty damn sad that we had designed plays where Cassel got rid of the ball immediately and he STILL got hit on almost every pass play.

Yeah I am sure it had nothing to do with the O-Line letting 3 defenders on ever play run free and destroy Cassel. :rolleyes:

Yep

This is incredibly low standard to say you can't even throw passes when you're getting your asses kicked.

Just reading Hamas' posts raises your IQ!

I agree. I saw our supposedly stud LT get abused a ton today and let people just run by him. It was embarrassing.

So hey if we just have to run cause we can't dare throw..

Does that mean the gameplan against the Giants will have 3 passes for the entire game in it?

No kidding.

He might have had 3, loosely defined 'pockets' all. day. long.

Same type of FAIL on the run, with 2-3 iggles swarming the backfield by the time a handoff could be completed.

The Giants game is going to be really, really, really ugly. That might be the first game that I intentionally miss.

If they play like they did today they won't beat anyone.

We won't win any games against top-tier teams. We are clearly outmatched. Let's not forget that Philly, even with Kolb, is a very good team.

Dang. "Fire Haley!" "Kill Haley!" "Decapitate Haley!" "Burn Haley!" "Drink Haley's Blood And Eat His Spleen!"

I admire the enthusiasm, but seriously, you can't have10 penalties for almost 100 yards on the road against anybody in the NFL. Talent-wise, we are a very bad team and Haley's been right all along; we can't afford any mistakes - even against average teams - if we're going to give ourselves a chance.

Haley is not going to lose the team (unless it's via the waiver wire, or by trade). He's not going to quit. And, he's not going to buy a gallon of gas and set himself on fire in front of the Jason Whitlock's house.

All of us (including Haley) just saw how far we have to go. We were outplayed and outclassed by a far superior team. We're not 85% of the way there. We may not be 20% of the way there. This is going to take years ... many, many years.

I don't think we converted a single third down today. Some fans need to run laps.

FAX

Fax, if you posted this as the first reply, a mod could have closed the thread. But really, we all like running up our post counts debating hilarious bullshit. In other words, well said ....

Which is probably why people are getting pissed.

Talent and discipline are two different things.

We know the team isn't talented.

We've also learned that the team isn't disciplined, which is a bit of a concern seeing as how Haley is a so-called disciplinarian.

To me, a loss is a loss, regardless of why.

To others, losing may be acceptable when you know we have such a lack of talent. But it may not be acceptable to see them lose the way they are losing - negating big plays, scoring or otherwise because of a lack of discipline.

I absolutely agree.

However, it's time for Haley to show that this "right 53" thing isn't glorified favoritism. The guys committing the penalties (Ndukwe) need to be dealt with the same way that DJ and Bowe were dealt with.

This.

And this.

which is exactly why haley is a dipshit. all he called all day on third and long was handoffs and 3 yard passes.

The problem, however, is that Haley has created a slippery slope.

He can't deactivate the entire ****ing team, so now he has to pick and choose. Appearing capricious isn't very desirable...

I don't think it matters if he loses the team. Over half of them will be gone in two years. Our roster is ****ing pathetic.

If he benches every guy that ****s up, we wont be able to field a team...

THIS

You weren't impressed going 0-11 on 3rd down?

Exactly.

Thus my point about appearing capricious in deciding whom he "punishes."

At this point the Chiefs are so bad they couldn't beat an All Star team made up of College All Stars

not exactly. i thought herm edwards and chan gailey were bad, but today was by far the worst offensive gameplan i have ever seen.

Let's not get too carried away.

Even as shitty as they are, they'd fist **** the best college team one could assemble.

Don't get carried away. Herm's gameplan against the Colts in '06 was total ass. THAT was the worst offensive gameplan I have ever seen.

I agree with you OTW. After the Ravens game I said many times how the team played smart and was one of the reasons why they were able to stay in the game. I don't know what has happened the last 2 weeks.

What are you talking about?

RRPP was executed with flawless, machine-like precision.

One thing I've noticed is Goff and Ndukwe have been as bad as anyone but so far the only guys that have been "punished" are guys that were here before. No new additions have been punished.

I'll tell you what happened in the Ravens game, and that's that we definitely did NOT get "lucky" or "fortunate" from a blocked punt for a TD and 70 INT return to set up a TD.

These two plays DID NOT cover up an otherwise abortion of a game and instill a sense of false hope in many fans.

The last two weeks have been the exception, not the rule.

This offensive gameplan is the equivalent of Huard going big fetal in the pocket.

"Their guys"? Yeah, this will certainly be something to keep an eye on as the season progresses, especially considering that the new guys are, largely, just as shitty as the old guys.

Niswanger ring a bell to you?

My guess, though I'll get flamed for it:

They are tuning out their coach.

Thus eliminating the statement that there are "No Sacred Cows".

What a load of horseshit.

Apparently you can be an abortion as long as it's on the OL it's great, if you're a WR or a RB though you won't get to play.

how was today any better?

Already?

Man, I'd believe this in week 10, but if this is indeed the case in week 3, this will turn into a complete ****ing circus and Haley won't last beyond year 2.

So how many sacks do you think we will give up next week against the Giants? Ill say at least 6

You mean like when you're a kid and one of your parents constantly yells...or if your wife were to do it after awhile you just tune it out?

Yet they replace 2 of the staring 5 OL.


You are being contradictory.

The 60 million dollar man completed 14 passes for 90 yards?

JFC, I'm glad I went to play golf. That must have been like watching paint dry.

The Giants will be looking for, and probably expecting, consecutive shutouts.

Two?

Who?

Replaced them with guys just as bad as the last guy, man I'm impressed.

We didn't hurt ourselves with turnovers and penalties. If we had the score would have been like it was today.

This team has very little margin of error

Wham, Wham, Wham, Wham, still beating the same old drum.

He's counting Goff and Ndukwe replacements since they weren't starters for us last year.

That's not Cassel's fault. I have never seen a worse game in terms of pass protection. And that's counting some of the worst games under Herm Edwards.

Well, they made moves which you were screaming for before it happened.

It's the third game of the season. Relax, he did not lose the team even though a lot of players on this team need to be lost.