If Jerry Jones should have fired Jimmy Johnson after going 1-15 his first season, then sure go ahead and start the petition. :rolleyes:

You don't fire a coach after 3 games anyway so no. BUT, I didn't want him in the first place so if they did, I wouldn't be upset about it.

I'm rich in dumbassery.

Or Jimmy Raye.

You have no argument here, I see you as the biggest dumbass on at least 4 Chiefs sites.

I only really spend time on two, so you may have me confused with someone else.

Someone awesome.

If Pioli followed and Eric DeCosta was hired immeditealy then I would be for it.

I don't see the point of firing a coach during the season. Especially when NO ONE in the history of the NFL could win with this roster. Am I happy with everything the guy has done? Hell no, but I'm not going to decide until he gets another off season with his own team.

So we have a 6-to-1 ratio of reeruns around here.

Sounds about right.

LMFAO, and you wonder why so many old timers rarely frequent this place anymore. I just dropped by to see if we won. I had to be productive with my day, went to the dump twice, went to the store and picked up some supplies. I will be danged if I waste 3 hours of my life to watch a shitty football team try to find themselves.

I don't think so, the writing and attachments are virtually identical. there is no way God would put more than one reerun like you on the earth.

OK, now I'm curious. What sites do you think I frequent other than this one and Warpaint?

Not think, I know. I'll leave an asshole in suspense by letting you try to find me on those sites. I will give you a hint, they are all Chiefs sites.

No blocking no covering .. Nobody can coach and win with that handicap ...

How pointless.

Why the **** would he care enough to go looking for your sparkling personality across teh intrawebs?

true
todd is gonna be the poor ****er who cleans up this mess
and then gets fired after 5 years offail
just when "his" player and system start to click

sorry Todd
you are the chiefs whipping boy

Only if we can get Dan Reeves.

God this thread is reeruned.

The question is not whether or not Haley is helping the Chiefs to win. No, the question is if he's helping them IMPROVE. Thus far, they seem to be going backwards and not improving at all. Thus, if he has not made significant improvement by mid-season he needs to go either as HC or OC or both.

But he brings more to the site than you, no?

He stated in the OP that it was a reerun filter...........so that would make you a :doh!:

Assuming the 24+ that voted to Fire Haley were serious, that means there are a lot of mentally challenged people on this BB.

This thread is retarted no matter how you feel about Haley....

Actually, it means that some people are starting to consider the alternatives.

Your definition of his action is wrong. I refused to vote in her assinine poll.

Or Greg Robinson

After 3 games? I guess you really ARE reeruned...

Remember alot of the folks here jumped on Herms nuts sack and rode that ****er the first year like a 3$ hooker...

What a joke this fanbase has become...

Actually, I gave him 8. I said if he hasn't got the team IMPROVING by then he should give up one, if not both, jobs. It's not the losing that is what is causing alarm for me. It's the undisciplined way they are losing and getting worse by the week. If he still has support of his players then they are not showing it on the field. And I haven't liked Mr. Haley since he started acting like an asshole on the sidelines when most of what was going wrong is his inability to coach.

I understand he's a rookie and he's learning as well. But don't be getting in people's faces and screaming like a lunatic when THEY are learning just like you. Everyone is in the same boat.

Acting like an asshole? Yes, lets get another 'nice guy' HC. How many play off wins did that get us with the last 2 coaches?

Parcells used to scream at people like this also. I believe he won 2 SBs.

As a rookie coach? Or did he win a few games before he started thinking he was God's gift to coaching? I honestly don't know the answer.

I would never call for a head coaches head after a whole season, much less three games. The fans aren't knowlegable enough about the inner workings on the team.

The only way a coach should get fired after one years is if he loses the team. I think there is a definited possibility of that. However, there is no way to know from a fans perspective whether that has happened.

I must admit that as bad as Herm was on gameday.... he never conceded a loss like Haley did on Sunday. It was pathetic. Losing is fine with this talent.... conceding the loss is gutless.

We are starting to see what a mistake it was trading tony gonzo

Wow 3 games is the new threshold?

oh hai 7 losses

I don't know about firing the guy but I have never liked the idea of hiring first time coordinators as HC's, or QB's with less than 12 College starts for shit's sake - I don't like him and cursing out the players isn't helping his case; he should be ****ing cussing out his own damn self, however he was left with shit to work with. Sad though, I don't see us going anywhere until we step up the O-line, same story for the past 4 years, and get some God Damn WR's.

Agreed about losing the players. If he still has their support then what the fans, the media, or the management have to say is not really relevant right now. But IF, big if, he's already losing players and the locker room is not jelling in a way that will cause the players to become a team then he needs to go sooner rather than later. No, not after 3 games.

You have a locker room full of young and inexperienced players. Do we really have the time for a coach to learn how to do his job while simultaneously trying to lead others to do the same? The mix of so much newness, inexperience, and youth is not one that stands to withstand a great deal of adversity. There is just not the foundation or security within the team or the organization at this point to spiral downward faster than before even if we are 'rebuilding.'

He reminds me of some other inexperienced dude who took a job he was not yet qualified for and we are all reaping what he's sowing.

This year they get a pass.

Next year it should be 6 wins minimum.

3 games into his first season with a team that won 2 games last year? Fire him?
For who? Denny Green?

6 wins might be lenient even.

I had hoped they could muster 5 or 6 this year. Vermeil did it.

Yes, but we had a much better line in '01. I'll be surprised to see them win 4 with this OL. If we had any WR worth a shit in '01 we'd have won 8 or 9. Our current OL may just be the worst I've ever seen.

Vermiel was no 'nice guy' HC.

His players constantly bitched about how hard on them he was behind the scenes, but they'd all kill themselves for him because he also showed that he cared about them. Sure, he was emotional in pressers and when things went well, but he tore many a new asshole behind the scenes when things didn't.

Vermiel was exactly what a HC should be in terms of how he handles his players. He needed a better defensive coordinator and a GM that would address his team's weaknesses. He was too loyal to his staff and that's what kept him from winning here. However, you'll never find a coach that better understands how to deal with his players.

I can't believe you honestly see Vermiel as "grandpa Dick" or you'd ever consider Todd Haley an upgrade over him.

I don't give a shit about DV. In fact, I kinda dislike him at this point for wasting that great offense we had for a few yrs and did not do shit about the D. If Haley doesn't fix the OL, same goes for him.

This is STUPID.

It's the 3rd week of his first season, the oline sucks, and the roster is lacking of talent.

I'll suffer as patiently as I can this year....and look for significant improvement next season.


Carl is gone....Carl is gone.....Carl is gone....Herm is gone....Herm is gone.....Herm is gone.

Carl and Herm are GONE!

I said I'd be fine with a shitty season of rebuild last offseason if Carl left.....I can't change the direction of the boat this time.

I don't really remember. My point is I don't give a shit if he yells. He's the boss. Its up to him to get his players to play. I'm so glad we have a coach that makes players accountable for when they **** up. However, I just hope he admits when he ****s up.

welp looks like most people want him to stay

He's an upgrade over Herm and thats all you need to know. Now go take your ****ing meds before you pass out.

George W?

It's just more evidence that the average "adult" has the attention span of a 3 year old.

Or that your average Chiefs fan has had so much !@#$ shoveled into them from the Peterson regime that they're willing to take any gruel Pioli/Haley feeds them.

It's funny - nobody's even trying to defend Pioli and Haley. Nobody's arguing they've done well.

All we've heard is:

1) Give him more time.
2) He's better than Herm.
3) Pioli can't hear your complaining with his SB rings in his ears.
4) Well why aren't you a GM?

C'mon folks, somebody try to make a cogent defense of what Pioli and Haley have actually done here. Critically examine the moves they've made while in charge of this team. Anyone can shut their brains off and become a set of automotons - "In Scott We Trust" doesn't take much effort. How about examining these moves without considering who made them?

From !@#$ing around in firing Herm, to drafting a 5 technique at #3 and paying him like a franchise QB, all the way to Haley's abortion of a game yesterday, how can anyone actually defend how these two have handled our team to this point?

Him too. :D

Here's the rub.

When Pioli and BB got to New England, they made VERY similar moves. And New England fans were saying almost VERBATIM what you have said here.

How did that work out?

Are they the moves that most of us would have made? Nope. But strange and unexplainable things happen every day. Why would we as fans predetermine that they're going to fail? If that's the case, why not find a happier, more productive way to spend our leisure time?

QFT, it's been shown time and time again that the EXACT same shit was said after every move in NE and it worked there. now someone will say that seymour was a #5 or some shit. makes no difference. would you feel better if we had the #5 pick in the last draft? would that change things? no.

And without Belichick and Brady none of it works.

We have neither of those guys.

Do you think Haley is Bill Belichick? Do you think Cassel is Tom Brady?

I say again - look at the paths of NE and KC this season. NE is continuing to do 'Patriot' things without Pioli. Time will tell, but I'm willing to go on record now. It appears to me that BB was the architect of those teams and Brady was a lucky miracle.

I'm not saying we should concede that they're predetermined to fail. I'm saying look at the conduct of the respective actors and draw conclusions from there. The conduct of the respective actors here does not paint a rosey picture, IMO.

The rub indeed.

in 10 years you can compare our team where it is THEN to where the pats are NOW. all you can do as of now is compare the chiefs to the pats their first year there.

That's only true if you believe Pioli was the true architect of those teams or if you believe that Haley is a BB-esque talent evaluator.

I believe neither of those things, based in large part on how the respective franchises operated this offseason.

no it's not. it will show it self by then. if in 10 years we are in the same spot as the pats are now then pioli did his job, if we are where we are now then....

and now VS then is about the same. us now them when BB/pioli got the job

So shut my brain off for the season and not critically examine the moves of this regime, then?

Check out for a couple seasons and call back in 2012?

Seriously, you fellas are presenting me with some very shitty options here. I'm going to review the decisions as they come. Thus far, I have not been impressed.

I'll be ready to eat crow if I'm wrong, but you fellas are in the unassailable position of having no real opinion...so you've got that going for you.

wow no real opinion huh? my opinion is to give this regime a chance. IF by week 8 NEXT year the same things are happening then scream about it. if you look back you will see that we are doing EXACTLY what was done in NE when pioli/BB got there. and some of you guys are saying the EXACT same things that the pats fans said then.

My advice and the way i'm going to let it play out is to try to see some kind of improvment week to week.

For you at least you have the cards...

I am really surprised that there are 33 people that think Haley should be fired. I fully acknowlege that there are several things that I have been unhappy with.... but wanting a guy fired after three games is incredible.

Ain't it sick? This fan base has no patience.

Water is wet. :)

Out of 257 respondents I suspect we could have found 33 that would have wanted Haley fired before the season started.

I don't have patience for reeruned shit.

FYP

how does someone have no patience for three years?

Now now that is not true you know that, I've talked about numerous scenarios.

You made up your mind during the offseason that picking Sanchez and a couple of linemen was the only right thing to do for the franchise.

And in your mind everything we have witnessed to date is a complete validation of your preference.

Look they traded for Cassel but like it or not ignoring this offensive line is epic fail.

Fixed....yo'.....post.

You'd think at some point, you'd give the hell up and go do something else.

Are you saying I should give up on football?