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bsp4444 10-05-2009 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by H5N1 (Post 6140602)
correct grammar isn't only for class, lil stump. it makes your arguments appear more intelligent due to quality writing. it makes people want to possibly listen to you more, and helps you appear less of a dolt.
I guess correct capitalization doesn't do that?

Bane 10-05-2009 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 6140904)
For all the talk of position value last year with Curry and then eventually Jackson, why does it seem like some of the same people are petitioning for Mays and Berry? Has the following been said here?

You just don't take a safety in the top 5. JFC. Do you realize you are potentially guaranteeing more than double the amount of guarantees set in the current contracts of Sanders, Reed, and Polamalu?/CP draft expert

I know they are playmakers but.....
Drafting for talent and potential talent is reeruned in the first place.That was Herm's mind set,draft the best player available and he will deliver.:banghead:

Jerm 10-05-2009 07:51 AM
I'm hoping A.J. Green continues his great season and comes out...I'd take a flyer on him, what the hell.
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Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-05-2009 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6140911)
As opposed to guaranteeing more than double (and in many cases triple) the amount of guarantees set in the current contracts of every 3-4 DE not named Seymour?

And Jackson's not even a playmaker.

We're going to be overpaying whoever we draft, so might as well get the guy that can actually make plays.
Just sayin....and I agree about Jackson....but it's amazing how that drafting philosophy suddenly gets thrown out the window. Typically safeties stay out of the top 10 and those who were fortunate enough to crack it, haven't lived up to expectations. No pun intended for Taylor

FTR, I like both Berry and Meys.... and would be ok with either... but to criticize others for wanting to draft a LT over a safety is ridiculous by your own standards

Tribal Warfare 10-05-2009 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 6140939)
I'm hoping A.J. Green continues his great season and comes out...I'd take a flyer on him, what the hell.
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He's a true sophmore, he's not eligible yet.

Jerm 10-05-2009 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 6140967)
He's a true sophmore, he's not eligible yet.
D'oh my bad...thought he was a Junior.
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beach tribe 10-05-2009 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by TrickyNicky (Post 6140424)
Our draft needs right now are:

1. TE
2. CB
3. RB
4. LT
5. Backup TE
6. QB

Perfect. Draft.
I think we need

Pass rusher
3 O-linemen
Nose Tackle
2 safteties
Power back
another pass rusher

Lono 10-05-2009 08:32 AM
We suck so bad just draft the best player. Both 2nd round picks should be on OL. 1st for a WR or Berry/Mays. I would not be opposed to trade our picks for young proven talent.

beach tribe 10-05-2009 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Lemon_Pie (Post 6140904)
For all the talk of position value last year with Curry and then eventually Jackson, why does it seem like some of the same people are petitioning for Mays and Berry? Has the following been said here?

You just don't take a safety in the top 5. JFC. Do you realize you are potentially guaranteeing more than double the amount of guarantees set in the current contracts of Sanders, Reed, and Polamalu?/CP draft expert

I know they are playmakers but.....
Because the value, and perception of the safety position is changing. We are watching the evolution of the way that position is looked at in todays NFL. They are going to begin being drafted higher, and paid more. People are starting to recognize their value, and impact on the game. Todays safeties are becoming huge playmakers, and are moving into the realm of game changers.

Chiefnj2 10-05-2009 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6141039)
Because the value, and perception of the safety position is changing. We are watching the evolution of the way that position is looked at in todays NFL. They are going to begin being drafted higher, and paid more. People are starting to recognize their value, and impact on the game. Todays safeties are becoming huge playmakers, and are moving into the realm of game changers.
"Playmaker" is in the eye of the beholder. If KC had a RT who could neutralize a guy like Kiwanuka/Tuck for an entire game, why isn't he a "playmaker"?

Frankie 10-05-2009 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by synthesis2 (Post 6140372)
Ok, assuming we have a top 3 pick which I'm sure we will, the O-line is the biggest issue, along with a lot of other issues but that is first. So why not do this.

1st- Best Tackle
2nd- Best Guard
2nd - Best Guard

3-7 fill in the blanks.

This would put us in a good situation and would have a good line for the next 8-10 years, assuming none of them have career ending injuries.
1- LT (move Albert to LG and Waters to RG)
2- RT
2- Speedy WR who can get open.
3- RB, TE, or S (the best of the bunch available)
4- C
5- (From list on 3)
6- BAA
7- BAA

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 10-05-2009 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6141039)
Because the value, and perception of the safety position is changing. We are watching the evolution of the way that position is looked at in todays NFL. They are going to begin being drafted higher, and paid more. People are starting to recognize their value, and impact on the game. Todays safeties are becoming huge playmakers, and are moving into the realm of game changers.
This is a fair argument. With Reed, Sanders, and Polamalu all making impact on championship teams it looks like it may have influenced the Draft in 06 and 07. Huff, Whitner, Allen, Landry, Griffin, Nelson, and Meriweather were all picked relatively high though just 3 of them went in the top 15. However if you look at the last two drafts--though maybe thin at Safety--only Kenny Phillips went in the first round as the 31st pick. I don't see enough evidence in this trend to really change my argument

beach tribe 10-05-2009 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6141052)
"Playmaker" is in the eye of the beholder. If KC had a RT who could neutralize a guy like Kiwanuka/Tuck for an entire game, why isn't he a "playmaker"?
a RT doing his job, is not a Gamechanger.
Yes, we need a RT very badly, but the only reason we value a RT so much is because ours are just flat out horrible. A good one should not be very hard to find. We just didn't address it hard enough.

Chiefnj2 10-05-2009 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6141107)
a RT doing his job, is not a Gamechanger.
Yes, we need a RT very badly, but the only reason we value a RT so much is because ours are just flat out horrible. A good one should not be very hard to find. We just didn't address it hard enough.
If you could leave that RT alone on an island for an entire game against someone like Tuck, how is he not a gamechanger? You don't have to worry about protection as much, you can run behind him, you don't have to have a TE help him, you don't have to have a HB chip him. It completely opens up your offense to do more.

beach tribe 10-05-2009 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6140881)
I really hate the argument "how many championships did we win with a dominant OL in the 90's."

Other than a really good OL, what else don't we need?

We didn't win any championships with Allen or DT, so I guess KC doesn't need a good pass rusher.

We didn't win any championships with TG, so I guess we don't need a really good TE.

We didn't win any championships with Saleamua on the line, so I guess we don't need a NT.

We didn't win any championships with Carter and Hasty at CB, so I guess we don't need any really good corners.

We didn't win any championships with Cherry or Albert, so I guess we don't need any really good DBs.

We didn't win any championships with Holmes, so I guess we don't need a HB who can score 20+ TDs a year.

We don't have any of the above, so I guess we're set. We'll start winning real soon.
This is true. It's not the offenses fault that we had absolutely 0 talent on defense during the Vermeil years. If we would have had a top 18 D on those teams, we probably would have gotten a Lombardi.

beach tribe 10-05-2009 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6141113)
If you could leave that RT alone on an island for an entire game against someone like Tuck, how is he not a gamechanger? You don't have to worry about protection as much, you can run behind him, you don't have to have a TE help him, you don't have to have a HB chip him. It completely opens up your offense to do more.
I agree with you, but guys like Polomalu, Reed, B. Sanders, get your offense the ball back, and make huge plays, and are a hell of a lot harder to find than a good RT.
Don't think I'm downplaying the importance of a good RT. I'm really not. I'm just saying that I would be cool with them taking Berry with a top 5. I would not be cool with them taking a RT that high. Yeah, when we played the Giants, they have a good pass rusher on the Ds Left side, but most teams only have a premier pass rusher, on their right.
Now if Albert doesn't improve, I would be cool with taking a LT that high, and putting Albert at RT or guard.
IF....he doesn't get better at LT that is.

MVChiefFan 10-05-2009 09:13 AM
I'm just a little pissed that there are TWO stud safeties that will be there. Because you know we're going to draft the Ryan Sims of safeties.

SenselessChiefsFan 10-05-2009 09:20 AM
Okay, assuming the Chiefs will be top ten... which is a possibility because Athan informed us all that the Chiefs making the playoffs is now a pipedream......

I don't want a WR.... because I want AJ green in 2011. Not kidding here. I would trade up to get this kid. I just wish he could come out after this year. I am afraid that the Chiefs may be drafting too low in 2011 to have a shot...

I don't want a QB.... in the first round because I think Matt Cassel can do the job.

I don't want a TE.... because there is NO TE worthy of a top ten pick.

I don't want a RB because they have a short shelf life and teams can find one later in the draft.

I don't want a safety, because I think that it is rare to find a safety worthy of a top ten pick.

I would prefer not to get a LT.... because I feel like Albert can be a good LT, and the Chiefs can solve the RT problems later in the draft.

I don't want a CB because I think that is one of the Chiefs's strongest positions.

Guard, center and fullback would be ridiculous.

So, that leaves us with NT and linebacker. As much as I would like a huge NT to take up space, this defense needs playmakers.

Considering you can find good ILB talent later in the draft, I think the Chiefs have to go with pass rusher.

Hali has looked pretty good coming off the edge and has been doubled quite a bit. If the Chiefs can get another good rusher coming from the other side, a true speed rusher.... then the Chiefs pass rush may look quite a bit better.

That is assuming that they can't trade the pick. Because frankly, the Chiefs have enough areas to upgrade that a trade down would be great.

Chiefnj2 10-05-2009 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6141129)
I agree with you, but guys like Polomalu, Reed, B. Sanders, get your offense the ball back, and make huge plays, and are a hell of a lot harder to find than a good RT.
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They get the ball back to the offense, but if the offense is going 3 and out, it doesn't do much good.

I'm not saying take a RT with a top 5 pick. Hell, I'd love Berry. Sign me up right now for Berry in the first, and I think I'd be happy. I just disagree with what people deem a "playmaker", and I see a little bit of the change in attitude with regard to who you should take with a top 5 pick in the draft from last year to this year with the draft gurus.

soundmind 10-05-2009 09:44 AM
I'm a junkie for Lineman. Admittedly so. The single most glaring need on this team is the offensive line. However, the draft is not our only source for players/talent, and it has been proven time and time again that OLinemen can be found later.

I'm now interested in the 2010 draft for one reason, and one reason alone. Assuming we have a top 3 pick as you've stated (which I believe is presumable)....and he's still available...there's no decision to make.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0xPnZbi2Qt...y_for_Snap.jpg
http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2008/1...otball_400.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_chbnMGy0IX...aylor-mays.jpg
http://jbum.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341...c3fb970c-800wi

And I have ZERO ties to USC. But you have to respect Pete Carrol's defensive teachings, and this kids size/talent is unmatched. You take him, you pay him, and our defense is improved ten-fold.

The Bad Guy 10-05-2009 09:54 AM
Dunlap could fit in the role Elvis Dumervil is filling now. That wuold mean Hali is pushed aside, but I'm fine with that.

I just really want Berry or even Mays. Our safety play yesterday was just down right awful. I want a menacing ball-hawk in the secondary. Look at the Steelers. Without Troy, they are complete trash.

I think both of those guys can play at a Polamalu level.

gblowfish 10-05-2009 09:56 AM
Let's draft Trezelle Jenkins again.
He's available. And he's still young!

Chiefnj2 10-05-2009 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6141241)
Dunlap could fit in the role Elvis Dumervil is filling now. That wuold mean Hali is pushed aside, but I'm fine with that.

I just really want Berry or even Mays. Our safety play yesterday was just down right awful. I want a menacing ball-hawk in the secondary. Look at the Steelers. Without Troy, they are complete trash.

I think both of those guys can play at a Polamalu level.
Is Mays a ball hawk? He didn't have any INTs last year, did he?

MVChiefFan 10-05-2009 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 6141250)
Let's draft Trezelle Jenkins again.
He's available. And he's still young!
He doesn't have a lot of wear and tear.

The Bad Guy 10-05-2009 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6141254)
Is Mays a ball hawk? He didn't have any INTs last year, did he?
Good point. I just think with his skill set, he could be a ball hawk. I don't know how many offenses take shots deep on USC.

Mr. Laz 10-05-2009 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Lono (Post 6141026)
We suck so bad just draft the best player. Both 2nd round picks should be on OL. 1st for a WR or Berry/Mays. I would not be opposed to trade our picks for young proven talent.
so first you say draft the best player ... then go on to say draft by need.


which is it?

bowener 10-05-2009 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6140452)
Do I really need to point to you that most of the best teams in the league have no 1st round offensive lineman or they have ones taken very late in the first?

You have more than 1 draft pick it's possible to take Berry and address the line.
This would make me happy. Berry or Mays in the first, please.

We do have 2 seconds, one of which will be very high. I am sure there will be a stud RT for all of us to jackoff over there... though I hope we take the best damn OLB at this spot. Maybe with the late 2nd rounder we take a RT... I dont really care at this point. There is also a pretty good class of FA's this year for OL (I keep wondering if we are going to see more FA's in an uncapped year, or if we are going to see teams go nuts on the resigning prices to keep players at home...).

Ebolapox 10-05-2009 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by bsp4444 (Post 6140919)
I guess correct capitalization doesn't do that?
I've personally never capitalized anything other than the word 'I' or proper names/locations as they're called for. it's weird, it's been that way since I was young (grade school), I only use 'proper' capitalization when I'm writing a paper that's being graded--and make no mistake, I've always gotten nothing but exemplary marks on every paper I've ever written. writing has never been an issue for me... but as far as message board capitalization/excessive use of ellipsis? I guess I have a bit in common with E.E. Cummings.

Ebolapox 10-05-2009 11:01 AM
I should edit that we HAVE to have a good nose tackle, so if you can get one in the draft (after the first round) you do it, or maybe hope you can get casey hampton in free agency.

Lono 10-05-2009 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6141373)
so first you say draft the best player ... then go on to say draft by need.


which is it?
I'm sorry I didn't make that real clear. With our number 1 pick you take bpa. Then fix our line.

The Franchise 10-05-2009 11:04 AM
Mays isn't a ballhawk because he's not asked to be.

The Franchise 10-05-2009 11:09 AM
And honestly....we need to come out of the first 3 rounds with the following positions.

1. Safety - Mike Brown is old and done. Berry or Mays would make this defensive backfield ****ing tits.

2. OLB - We need someone who can get after the QB. Vrabel is like Brown....old and done. Hali isn't an every down player.

3. OT/OG - This is assuming that either Ndukwe can take the RG position...or O'Callaghan can take the RT position.

4. WR - We need someone on the other side of Bowe.....bad.

So....I'll take this.

1. Eric Berry - S - Tennesee
2. Ricky Sapp - OLB - Clemson
2. Ciron Black - OT - LSU
3. Golden Tate - WR - Notre Dame

beach tribe 10-05-2009 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6141486)
1. Eric Berry - S - Tennesee
2. Ricky Sapp - OLB - Clemson
2. Ciron Black - OT - LSU
3. Golden Tate - WR - Notre Dame
Jeebus man.

How in the hell did you get all that Casino Cash?

SDChiefs 10-05-2009 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6140457)
Milkman what I've learned over the years of posting here is some people will never really get it.
I don't get it.

Chiefnj2 10-05-2009 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6141470)
Mays isn't a ballhawk because he's not asked to be.
What is he asked to do?

The Franchise 10-05-2009 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6141607)
What is he asked to do?
Read these.

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6072024)
Taylor Mays is never going to jump off the screen at you when you watch games because of what he's asked to do.

He's a very scheme disciplined player and he's basically used to let the other players make plays because he can do the job of 2 guys by himself.
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6072041)
Berry is allowed to freelance alot more, he makes alot of plays on the ball and has better ball skills than Mays does but he's also prone to getting beat because he goes for big plays.

This year may be a big one for Berry because he's in a scheme that is alot more about discipline now with Monte Kiffin being there.

One thing I think about them is Mays best football is ahead of him he'll be a better pro than college player, Berry I'm not so sure he translates quite the same.
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6072122)
Here you go:

Taylor Mays, USC, safety: Scary. That is the best way to describe Mays. His combination of size and speed in a safety is freakish. And in the Trojans' spring game, Mays obliterated Patrick Turner, the team's towering 6-foot-5, 230-pound receiver on a play when he came over the middle. I suspect many Pac-10 receivers envision similar scenes before they face the Trojans and their super-fast, super-sized DB. Mays' workout numbers are ridiculous. He's 6-3, 226 pounds, with 6 percent body fat and ran an electronically timed 40 this spring in 4.32 seconds. He did 26 reps with 225 pounds while also vertical jumping 41 inches and doing a standing broad jump of 11-4. (As evidence in his growth, Mays arrived at USC weighing 215 and posted a vertical jump of 35 inches and a broad jump of 10-0.)
Asked if he's even seen anything that big, move that fast, USC strength coach Chris Carlisle paused for a few moments: "Maybe when I walked by the cheetah cage at the wildlife park." Mays' athleticism actually presents USC with a different kind of issue: a talent with such growth potential that you have to guard against him outgrowing the position. "Our big thing is he could get too big too fast," says Carlisle, who also gushes about the player's work ethic. "He could easily be like his daddy [former NFL defensive lineman Stafford Mays] so we have to make him better without making him bigger because he could be like 260 in a month."
Carlisle predicts Mays could still run a sub-4.4 40 at that size, but says the key is keeping the DB from bulking up too much in his lower body. "We could use him like a science experiment, but that really wouldn't be of value to him or the team."


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/column...uce&id=3420212
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6074504)
Here's an article on Mays from before the year to give some people an idea on him...

http://www.azstarnet.com/sports/303208

UA Sports
He's a-Mays-ing: USC safety wows coaches in Pac-10
By Patrick Finley

Arizona Daily Star
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 08.01.2009

LOS ANGELES — Taylor Mays didn't have a single interception last year. On a USC team filled with elite football players, he doesn't return kicks or punts.
He's not Charles Woodson, the flashy Michigan cornerback who in 1997 became the first defensive player to win the Heisman Trophy.

Yet Mays might be the best bet to follow in Woodson's footsteps at the Heisman presentation ceremony.

"I want to get to New York," Mays said Thursday, smiling. "But I've got to get some interceptions first."

He might be right. A few picks would add a dose of the obvious to football fans obsessed with highlights.

But one look at Mays, a two-time first-team All-American, tells you what you need to know.

"He's a freak of nature," said Steve Sarkisian, Washington's first-year coach and former USC assistant. "Look at him."

Interceptions are beside the point.

At 6 feet 3 inches and 235 pounds, the senior intimidates as much as Ronnie Lott, Dennis Smith, Troy Polamalu or any in the line of the Trojans' greatest safeties.

The son of former NFL player Stafford Mays can run a 40-yard dash in 4.25 seconds. His 41-inch vertical leap is half a foot higher than former UA basketball player Jordan Hill. He bench presses 425 pounds.

"He's all that you could ever ask for physically," UCLA coach Rick Neuheisel said. "He's got size. He's got speed. He's got flexibility. He's got instincts. He's got intelligence. And he loves to play the game, and it shows. It exudes around him."

Here's how much: Mays said Thursday that he is so focused on football this season that he won't go to parties, lest his teammates see him unfocused.

Mays didn't eschew the NFL draft this spring so he could end up "walking through campus and having all the girls," he said.

"I've got no problem sitting in my room and looking at the wall," he said.

The singular focus pays respect to the Trojans greats at the position.

"There's a tradition about it, and Taylor embraced that from the start," USC coach Pete Carroll said. "He came in really willing to understand what he was getting into, to become part of that lineage."

On some level, he has surpassed Lott, probably the greatest safety in the history of football.

"I don't think — and I think Ronnie would be the first to tell you, and I don't want to ever cross Ronnie — that there hasn't been a guy more physically fit, faster, stronger, more committed than what Taylor is," Carroll said. "Those guys all get the chance to live through his performance, and he carries that responsibility with him."

The Trojans' history and exposure, of course, could contribute to Mays' hype.

"He's going to get a lot of preseason publicity, not only for his exploits, but he's been on that stage for a while, given what SC's accomplished," Neuheisel said. "But who knows? Woodson did it."

In an ideal world, that would be the end of the conversation. After three years as one of the game's best defensive players, Mays would project as the same in the NFL.

Truth is, some pro scouts don't know if he's a safety, or if he needs to play closer to the line of scrimmage.

"They're looking for specific things in specific areas," Sarkisian said. "It's almost like you have to fit inside a box — 'OK, he can play at this spot. Well, he doesn't fit that spot, he has to play in this spot.'

"I think the challenge for Taylor is to possibly show he can fit in that box, because he's out of the box."

Neuheisel said "there are people who wonder about his ability in open space," but then smiled.

"I'd take a flier on him," he said, cheekily stating the obvious.

The NFL will find a place for Mays in the first round, especially if he posts another stellar season. Mays could graduate with three first-team All-America honors, and maybe a national championship.

"He's a guy in our program that is the epitome of maximizing his experience at USC," Carroll said. "He had a chance to go out last year, but wanted to graduate. He wanted to see what it was like to be a senior and have a chance to be a leader of this team.

"He wanted to maximize his ability for the next level."

Hoover 10-05-2009 12:01 PM
I think its pretty clear that we will once again be drafting near the the top in next years draft. The worse thing we could do is freak out and reach for a player. In the first round we should take the best guy on the draft board period. If its a LB, WR, S, CB, OLine, RB, DLine, you take him. The only position I would not draft in the 1st round would be QB.

The good news for the Chiefs is that we will have three picks in rounds 2 and 3 in which we should use to invest in our offensive line. At the top of round 2 we should be able to find a top notch RT. In the mid to late second round and early third round we should be able to grab a guard and center.

We must rebuild our offensive line. That has been crystal clear. We also need to use some of our cap space to bring in young upcoming free agents to fill the other holes. We have a long way to go, but those 3 picks in rounds 2 and 3 should help us fix out line.

htismaqe 10-05-2009 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6141607)
What is he asked to do?
Most often he plays Cover 1, meaning he's the last line of defense. No gambling allowed.

The Franchise 10-05-2009 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 6141621)
I think its pretty clear that we will once again be drafting near the the top in next years draft. The worse thing we could do is freak out and reach for a player. In the first round we should take the best guy on the draft board period. If its a LB, WR, S, CB, OLine, RB, DLine, you take him. The only position I would not draft in the 1st round would be QB.

The good news for the Chiefs is that we will have three picks in rounds 2 and 3 in which we should use to invest in our offensive line. At the top of round 2 we should be able to find a top notch RT. In the mid to late second round and early third round we should be able to grab a guard and center.

We must rebuild our offensive line. That has been crystal clear. We also need to use some of our cap space to bring in young upcoming free agents to fill the other holes. We have a long way to go, but those 3 picks in rounds 2 and 3 should help us fix out line.
Honestly....I would throw some money at Logan Mankins in the upcoming offseason. The Patriots still have to resign Mankins and Wilfork. Mankins would help this o-line out immensly. Plug him at RG. That only leaves C and RT as positions of great need. That's hoping that Ndukwe can fill in at the LG position when Waters is done.

Chiefnj2 10-05-2009 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6141618)
Read these.
No offense, but that doesn't say much other than he is an athletic freak.

Fat Elvis 10-05-2009 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 6141142)
Okay, assuming the Chiefs will be top ten... which is a possibility because Athan informed us all that the Chiefs making the playoffs is now a pipedream......

That is amazing and insightful inside information. Where do I sign up and how much can I pay for these nuggets of gold?

Titty Meat 10-05-2009 12:52 PM
What WR would those who want a playmaker want to draft in the top 10?

TrickyNicky 10-05-2009 01:02 PM
Not trying to be a prick, just asking a legitimate question. How many bad (Chiefs bad) tackles make the transition to a better-than-average guard? Who are the most notable in recent history?

htismaqe 10-05-2009 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TrickyNicky (Post 6141769)
Not trying to be a prick, just asking a legitimate question. How many bad (Chiefs bad) tackles make the transition to a better-than-average guard? Who are the most notable in recent history?
Leonard Davis was available this past offseason.

CoMoChief 10-05-2009 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by synthesis2 (Post 6140372)
Ok, assuming we have a top 3 pick which I'm sure we will, the O-line is the biggest issue, along with a lot of other issues but that is first. So why not do this.

1st- Best Tackle
2nd- Best Guard
2nd - Best Guard

3-7 fill in the blanks.

This would put us in a good situation and would have a good line for the next 8-10 years, assuming none of them have career ending injuries.
Really as bad as this Oline is. I wouldn't be pissed if this happened.

CoMoChief 10-05-2009 01:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by billay (Post 6141733)
What WR would those who want a playmaker want to draft in the top 10?
Bryant IMO is the only one worth a top 10 pick.


Benn IMO is overrated.

beach tribe 10-05-2009 01:21 PM
Mays truly is a once in generation, or maybe even ever type of player. If we pass on him, I will probably vomit.
He could rush the passer, support the run or handle a cover 1. I'm on the Mays bandwagon, with Berry being a very close 2nd.

Mr. Laz 10-05-2009 01:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6141470)
Mays isn't a ballhawk because he's not asked to be.
Curry!!!!!!!!!!!!111

Red Dawg 10-05-2009 01:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6141241)
Dunlap could fit in the role Elvis Dumervil is filling now. That wuold mean Hali is pushed aside, but I'm fine with that.

I just really want Berry or even Mays. Our safety play yesterday was just down right awful. I want a menacing ball-hawk in the secondary. Look at the Steelers. Without Troy, they are complete trash.

I think both of those guys can play at a Polamalu level.
Trash? Hell no! Troy is just very special player.

Chiefnj2 10-05-2009 01:29 PM
"Originally Posted by Mecca View Post
Taylor Mays is never going to jump off the screen at you when you watch games because of what he's asked to do.

He's a very scheme disciplined player and he's basically used to let the other players make plays because he can do the job of 2 guys by himself."


People want to draft a guy who lets other players make the plays?

Titty Meat 10-05-2009 01:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6141816)
Bryant IMO is the only one worth a top 10 pick.


Benn IMO is overrated.

He reminds me of Rashuan Woods and OSU plays a spread offense. I'd argue Juice Williams isn't an accurate QB so that makes Benn an even better player.

Mr. Kansasski 10-05-2009 01:33 PM
I would draft the following(in no particular order)
1. Mammoth Nose Tackle
2. At least 2 Offensive Lineman
3. Running back
4. Wide Receiver
5. Linebacker
6. Tight End

Titty Meat 10-05-2009 01:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Kansasski (Post 6141856)
I would draft the following(in no particular order)
1. Mammoth Nose Tackle
2. At least 2 Offensive Lineman
3. Running back
4. Wide Receiver
5. Linebacker
6. Tight End
So Terrence Cody?
Nisweski (sp?) in the 2nd round
We'll need to draft a OLB too

CoMoChief 10-05-2009 01:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by billay (Post 6141847)
He reminds me of Rashuan Woods and OSU plays a spread offense. I'd argue Juice Williams isn't an accurate QB so that makes Benn an even better player.
Bryant is much better than Rashaun Woods. Bryant's a bigger version of Jeremy Maclin.

CoMoChief 10-05-2009 01:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Kansasski (Post 6141856)
I would draft the following(in no particular order)
1. Mammoth Nose Tackle
2. At least 2 Offensive Lineman
3. Running back
4. Wide Receiver
5. Linebacker
6. Tight End
remember we also have another 2nd rd pick from the Tony G trade, also have another late rounder for sending Thigpen to MIA.

really its

1
2
2
3
4
5
6
6 (Thigpen???? Anyone know the conditional value yet?)
7

Of course this could change.

beach tribe 10-05-2009 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6141845)
"Originally Posted by Mecca View Post
Taylor Mays is never going to jump off the screen at you when you watch games because of what he's asked to do.

He's a very scheme disciplined player and he's basically used to let the other players make plays because he can do the job of 2 guys by himself."


People want to draft a guy who lets other players make the plays?
L
O
L

He does what he's TOLD to do.
USC can run a cover 1 because mays can shut down the entire deep secondary by himself, and leave 10 guys to handle the rest. Very few people can do that.

The Franchise 10-05-2009 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6141845)
People want to draft a guy who lets other players make the plays?
He's not asked to be a playmaker. And what's wrong with drafting a player who does what he's told to?

The Franchise 10-05-2009 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6141888)
remember we also have another 2nd rd pick from the Tony G trade, also have another late rounder for sending Thigpen to MIA.

really its

1
2
2
3
4
5
6
6 (Thigpen???? Anyone know the conditional value yet?)
7

Of course this could change.
And you can remove our 7th round pick because we traded that for Jake O'Connell. Plus we have no idea what pick we gave up to the Dolphins for Alleman and Ndukwe.

KCrockaholic 10-05-2009 01:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TrickyNicky (Post 6140424)
Our draft needs right now are:

1. TE
2. CB
3. RB
4. LT
5. Backup TE
6. QB

Perfect. Draft.
:LOL:

Oh Sorry I thought you were joking.

Chiefnj2 10-05-2009 01:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6141892)
He's not asked to be a playmaker. And what's wrong with drafting a player who does what he's told to?
I don't know. Apparently it was a huge problem last year with respect to a certain LB.

OnTheWarpath15 10-05-2009 01:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6141845)
People want to draft a guy who lets other players make the plays?
Sincerely,

Tyson Jackson.

chiefs1111 10-05-2009 02:00 PM
who to draft in 2010???? How about some freaking talent that would be nice

Rain Man 10-05-2009 02:26 PM
In a situation where we have equal talent all across the board, I'd be looking at wide receiver, a pass-rushing linebacker beast, and a right tackle, then draft offensive linemen with every other pick.

TrickyNicky 10-05-2009 03:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6141934)
:LOL:

Oh Sorry I thought you were joking.
I was...

ChiefsCountry 10-05-2009 04:16 PM
As deep as this draft is in defense, I say lets go all 90's Chiefs and build a dominating defense. Its eaiser to build a top defense than an offense and we already have alot more pieces in place on the defensive side of the ball.

Saccopoo 10-05-2009 06:19 PM
Here's how the Chiefs draft:

1. Eric Berry or Russ Okung; whoever is still available after the Bucs, Rams and Browns draft.

2. Best outside rush backer available.
- Most likely Eric Norwood, Georgie Selvie or Jerry Hughes will be there when they pick.

2. Best inside linebacker available.
- I like Pawelek, but if McCain or Spikes is there, any of the three is going to be a substantial upgrade.

3. Best right tackle available.
- Zane Beadles is my choice, but a guy like Matt Reynolds of BYU or Adam Ulatoski of Texas would be acceptable.

4. Best center, guard, tight end or wide receiver available.
- If Dennis Pitta is still available at this point, it should be a no-brainer. If not, then John Jerry of Ole Miss.

5. See above.
- However, this is about the time where the team could start looking for the fastest guy on the board who has experience returning punts and kickoffs. Guy like Brandon James of Florida.

6. Kade Weston, DT; Georgia
- Massive guy who you'd have to take a look at from a project perspective.

7. See #4

Mecca 10-05-2009 06:20 PM
Taylor Mays in USC's defense is LaRon Landry in Washington it's why Chris Horton can rove.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-05-2009 06:22 PM
If anyone saw Mays run down Jahvid Best from sideline to sideline and knock his ass down with one hand, that's why we need to draft him.

Mecca 10-05-2009 06:24 PM
Anyone that can run with Jahvid Best...not to mention he did that on a not 100% knee can absolutely fly.

Mays also made a pick over the weekend he can make those plays when he is given the chance.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-05-2009 06:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6142528)
Anyone that can run with Jahvid Best...not to mention he did that on a not 100% knee can absolutely fly.

Mays also made a pick over the weekend he can make those plays when he is given the chance.
That was a good play too. He baited the QB rolling out and jumped in front of it. Not a terribly difficult play, but a good one.

Mecca 10-05-2009 06:28 PM
Also Dunlap is out as a 3-4 OLB, he weighs 300lbs. He's basically Tyson Jackson's size he just has alot more natural talent including extreme speed.

Mark May the other day was talking about how he thinks Mays is better than Berry.

Coogs 10-05-2009 06:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6142508)
Here's how the Chiefs draft:

7. See #4
Instead of going with the interior O-lineman here, we should look at the TE position. Maybe someone like Jake O'Connell from Miami of Ohio.

Don't like that pick? I'm not sure I do either. But... what are we going to do? :shrug:

WildTurkey 10-05-2009 06:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6142546)
Also Dunlap is out as a 3-4 OLB, he weighs 300lbs. He's basically Tyson Jackson's size he just has alot more natural talent including extreme speed.

Mark May the other day was talking about how he thinks Mays is better than Berry.
While I would prefer Berry... I would be ecstatic with either Mays or Berry

Mecca 10-05-2009 06:30 PM
The thing about drafting USC defensive players is they play an NFL defense and they all play scheme discipline so you don't have to teach them that.

Mecca 10-05-2009 06:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WildTurkey (Post 6142554)
While I would prefer Berry... I would be ecstatic with either Mays or Berry
Basically he said "bigger, faster, stronger"


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