Really? After all these years, you should know better.

Did I say that? :rolleyes:

I'm of two minds on it. It might well have happened. But at the same time I don't think it's illogical to question the validity of it; Whitlock has clearly had an axe to grind since shortly after the hire. He's been throwing a tantrum for months now.

Oh, I think it matters.

I think it shows disrespect towards others in the same profession.

I think it displays a "Know-It-All" attitude that's quite unnecessary, especially given it's his first head coaching job at any level.

The bottom line is that it's a comment made by an inexperienced man, regardless of profession.

1. ALbert isn't the savior LT like most think he is. The homers on here are gonna bash this comment. But its true. Either that or he's in some mythilogical sophomore jinx slump. If there is such a thing.

2. Oline isn't providing protection at all for Cassel. He has about 2.5 seconds before someone is in his face or forcing him out of the pocket. There are countless times where the ball is hiked and cassel drops back and immediately has to tuck it and run or scramble because the pocket immediately completely collapses. The Oline also gets pushed around in the running game. How many times do we see defenders already in the backfield and LJ barely can get back to the LOS. Barry ****ing Sanders couldn't run behind this Oline. Has LJ lost a step? possibly. But I also believe he wants to be successful as well. No one wants to suck, especially after have being one of the best at your position. I believe LJ is motivated, but also knows his Oline is shitty and possibly has almost little to no confidence in them.

3. Eli Manning had all day to throw. Steve Smith was getting open all day. Though I must say we punished them with hard hits yesterday. If they came over the middle they paid for it.

4. WR's arent getting open. Combine that with Oline's inability to block enough for them to run their routes and get open, and Cassel's inaccuracy, you have a really shitty passing game. Our passing game looks like it couldnt survive in the college ranks. It's that ****ing bad. We may have 2-3 good passes a game. But that's it. Our passing game is a joke.

5. Play calling was ****ing terrible. It seems to get increasingly worse week by week. I know Haley is a new HC, but he's not new to playcalling nor is he new to the game in general and the way we've wasted TO's, managed the clock before HT against OAK, calling shotgun passing formations when it's 1st n goal on the 2 yd line, or just passing in that formation alone, not giving the ball to LJ in those situations is unacceptable. Haley fired gailey becuase Haley has an ego the size of Jupiter and though he could turn this offense into what he was able to accomplish with the All-world WR's he had at ARZ. Well we have an inconsistant Bowe with a journeyman Wade and an inactive Bradley from time to time. Oh yeah and no Tony G. Not having a HOF TE on your team to assist your passing game ALWAYS helps any offense succeed. But that's ok TE's dont matter in this offense. Our leading WR at this point is.....what......wait for it......a TE Sean Ryan, so we're good there.



I've said this for years and really its just common sense. It all starts in the trenches. IT helps to have playmakers for sure, but if you don't have an Oline that can run nor pass block, you're not gonna score points, hell, you're not even going to make first downs. 10 yrds.....30 god damn feet. for most that is from your house to the end of the ****ing driveway. Maybe even shorter. Oline can't open holes for your RB so then the defense then tee's off on the QB when you become one deminsional in the passing game.

Defense same way really, you need your front 7 to generate pressure on the QB, and if you don't, teams are gonna pass all over you, especially now a days where the rules favor WR's over the DB's. Our LB's suck in coverage. I hope to God we add a good LB via FA or the draft next season. This is a definate area of need as well as OL and WR. We could also use a true NT as well. But the one in this upcoming draft has issues about being lazy, overweight etc. Being that we have next to no talent on this roster, reaching for a risky pick in the first couple rds is the last thing this team can do.


The only positives I see in this team.....sadly......is the kicker Succop. So far he's been reliable. Even Colquitt has had some awful punts.

No, you did not.

But there are many forum members here who believe that anything Whitlock writes is a complete fabrication, if for no other reason than they don't want to believe what's written. It's too difficult for them to comprehend what's being said because it goes against their own personal beliefs.

It's too bad, because poisoning the well just takes away any enjoyment a fan might have. There's not going to be a lot to cheer about with the Chiefs this year, and people should have known that even before last season was over.

Unfortunately, the fans can't even enjoy the small gains, because too many others are so embittered and they make it impossible. It's too bad, too, because I saw some things to be positive about:

1.) O'Callaghan improved the RT play
2.) Cassel's leg looked as if it's feeling better
3.) Cassel made a very good play on the TD pass
4.) Johnson had some good runs, (which means.....)
5.) The O-Line won some running battles against a very good Giants team
6.) The team kept battling throughout the game
7.) The defense was holding up fairly well until that terrible personal foul call changed everything

I'd like to take this opportunity, on my lunch break, from my PC to say, F-U 4321

Eh. Htismaqe's question looked a lot more interesting than the stack of shit I have on my desk...

Which is not a whole lot different than believing everything that he says...because it fits your own personal beliefs.

It's sort of an atheist versus christian (un-)religious fervor kind of thing. Whatever side folks are on, they hear what they want to hear, and stick their fingers in their ears with a "la-la-la!" for anything else. That's what talk on this board has deteriorated into unfortunately.

As for me, if it was a quote I could verify for myself, or something that other people could confirm, I'd buy it. But just Whitlock? Questionable at best, even though I think it's something that a guy like Haley could say. Although, as others have pointed out, if he's that arrogant, than the 'Pioli's shuffling porter' bit from the dinner wouldn't make any sense.

Let's just say there's a lot of stuff Whitlock's said this offseason about those two that just doesn't jibe for me based on what I've seen and heard myself from interviews and from coverage by other people in the media. Maybe that will change in time, I don't know.

All of this.

Whitlock wasn't getting much if any respect on this board until he started saying things that supported someones agenda. Hypocrisy run wild.

The bottom line is that he'll never feel any personal consequences for saying it, so outside of the minds of fans and Whitlock, it won't ever matter.

Or he could have drafted the one at 3 and let him develop for a half a year to a year behind a line that he addressed in the offseason.

Well for me personally, I haven't read anything that disproves what he's written, whether in print or on the football field. LJ's "ego" response yesterday IMO goes a long way in reinforcing what Whitlock has written.

I guess living 2,000 miles from Kansas City and Jason Whitlock leaves me less opinionated about him as a person and a personality than those living within 50 miles of the city.

Colquitt concerns me as well. He had several nice punts, but it seems the inconsistency has also bit him as well. Some of his punts looked liked they were shanked.

Although he did had some nice bounces towards his way, but it's still a concern to me.

Cassel still shows the tendancy to overthrow his recievers and behind his receivers. Some of those drops were "catchable" but the throw was late and well behind the receiver.

If you believe this -- Clark Hunt picked the wrong people for the job.

Just saying...

It's completely open to interpretation.

Haley is smoking crack!!! :rolleyes:

I know he's shanked a few but all punters do.......trust me, a PUNTER is the last thing this team needs to worry about......unless it's Dan Strysinski type of bad.

or maybe LJ is just a parrot

I think at some point this season the coaches asked Colquitt to go for more hang time. Seems like during the preaseason and the 1st game or so he was booming long ass punts. Then all the sudden his distance seem to drop a good 10-15 yrds but his hang time went up.

i think he's kinda shanking them because he's trying to kick them so high.

JMO

The stats pretty much tell the story. We averaged 3.1 yards per play; they averaged 6.0 yards per play. We were dominated.

The only "upside" to the game is that we did at least force the Giants offense to execute. What I mean is that it was not like the Oakland game last year at home or like Buffalo getting slaughtered by Miami yesterday where a one-dimensional team has their way with you.

Haley probably thinks our kick covg sucks and wants to limit their return yardage.

Which doesn't surprise me, virtually ever other area on this team ****ing blows.

Colquitt has always had hang time in the 5 seconds range. If the coaches are asking him for MORE, they're idiots.

LMAO

Quite possibly.

Either that or physical exhaustion from doing three jobs when he should be doing one.

Sure, that's it.

A guy that got a $20 million dollar signing bonus and makes millions per year, hangs out with Beyonce & Jay-Z and a shit-ton of other successful multi-millionaires is going to parrot a KC columnist after the 26th loss in 28 games.

Geez, Jason.

Who gives a **** about this team

Here's what both Eli Manning and Steve Smith had to say:

“Sometimes they tried to cover me,” said Smith, who added that the Chiefs paid more attention to him when he lined up in the slot. “But Eli does a great job of waiting until I’m open.”

Manning said the Giants were simply taking what the Chiefs gave them.
“Not all the plays are meant to go to him all the time,” Manning said.
“It just depends on the coverage and what (the other team is) doing. He did a great job running his routes vs. certain coverages.”

I don't know how to interpret what LJ said yesterday. Was he talking about the Giants or the Chiefs? Was he talking about the players or the coaches? Since most of the "ego" stuff from Whitlock has been about Pioli, then was that some kind of out of the blue comment from LJ about Pioli? Hell if I know. I don't have a horse in this race, so I'm not going to see it one way or the other. It was just a vague comment to me.

As for Whitlock, it's not a matter of disproving what he's written, it's a matter of proving what he's written. Because I haven't seen anybody else talk about it.I don't know Jason, so I don't really have an opinion on him as a person or as a personality. I don't judge people based on the job that they do or the face they choose to present to the world.

I just want "sources" instead of "source". That's all. So far we have Whitlock. And maybe Tim Grunhard, but he (much like Whitlock) sounds like somebody who'd been given the VIP treatment for years who's now upset because he's not being treated like he's some special paragon of the media.

Like I've said, I don't think this is about anybody's ego at Arrowhead, I think this is about the way the team handles the media now. Looks like Jason doesn't like it. But instead of just saying that, he's trying to be more controversial. 'cause, well, that's his job.

Just how I see it.

What I saw:

(1) Offensive line played better. Not great, by any stretch. Hell, probably not even good, but better.

(2) Larry Johnson had nearly 50 yards rushing in the first half. However, I attribute it to sheer persistence from the coaches to make sure we finally got some positive yards running the ball. Granted, LJ was probably -25 yards rushing in the 2nd half. There was no creativity, no real continuity between running and passing, just 50 yards rushing. In odd fashion, we never tried to take advantage of it with play action passing.

(3) The front 7 played well for about 2 series. Once, forcing a fumble. I thought the secondary played well. But, I've thought they played pretty well all year.

(4) The linebackers suck. It's almost as if they're not even there.

(5) Outside of the sack and fumble recovery, Manning had plenty of time to throw the ball.

(6) Cassel looked bad. It was hard to use the "he never had any time" excuse this week because he had time on a number of occasions. Not every occasion, but he had his chances for sure. He overthrew Bowe for a sure-fire TD. He underthrew Engram (or was it Wade?) for a sure-fire TD. He was behind on slants and way in front on outs. He looked pretty bad.

(7) I hate to complain about playcalling because I think playcalling is subject to execution almost exclusively. However, I will say that I never understood our run, run, run, run, run approach until we get to the 1 yard line. Then we go to shotgun and try and throw the ball. Plus, as mentioned, if we're going to run that much, we should throw in some play action.

(8) Colquitt is awesome. I bet his leg is sore today.

Oh and Lawrence Tynes missed ANOTHER field goal in arrowhead. This time, the Chiefs didn't lose any points.
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That's cool.

But from an outsider's point of view, it's difficult for me to believe that LJ's comment, made not only to reporters but on his Twitter account as well, is coincidental to Whitlock's earlier comments and columns.

Don't you?

There is also a 24 yard carry by Charles on the last play of the game that really inflates the rushing average as well. Take out that 24 yard run AND Cassels scrambling yardage, and our rushing game is pretty modest at best.

fyp

:thumb: Thanks!

That's actually a GREAT question.

Sorry I just can't go at it with anyone on here about this team thats lost like 30 of its last 36 games. I will say though its funny of all people LJ talks about ego.

You're free to make whatever assumptions you want, but, like I said, I have no idea what LJ was talking about it. I didn't see the interview and I don't know what he was replying to. In any case, this would certainly not be the first time I've had no idea what LJ was talking about.

Occam's Razor: The simplest explanation is most likely to be correct.

Whitlock constantly writes about Pioli and Haley's ego.

Grunhard talks about Pioli and Haley's ego.

Jeff Chahida, an SI writer, states on radio last week that it's well known that Pioli and Haley have large egos.

After yesterday's loss, LJ attributed it to "ego". He said it not once, but five times.

LJ also Tweeted "Ego" for the entire world to see.

I find it extremely difficult to believe that this is in any way, shape or form, a coincidence.

Well, to put this in perspective, if the Chiefs lose this coming Sunday, they will tie the expansion Tampa Bay Buccaneers with the worst 30 game stretch in NFL history with a 2-28 record.

Also you can toss in, reporters are lazy when it comes to bad teams they don't care about and its easier just to parrot what one guy says then to do the work yourself.

So, you're of the opinion that everyone just "ran with" the ego thing? No one else other than Whitlock has experienced it firsthand? It's just all a fabrication, so much so that LJ joined in the foray?

I'm sorry, I find that extremely hard to believe. Man, a lot of you guys sure are jaded when it comes to sports reporting.

No offense.

What would a bunch of local hacks have to be bitter about by being shut out of the loop at 1 Arrowhead?





The fact of the matter is, Nick Athan has practically as much access to the team as anyone else in legit media. These guys (Hayley/Pioli) will be roasted daily until they win something. And I'm sure they don't give a ****.

Reading anything into it equates to believeing in anything they had to say when they were sucking Carls cock off.

As far as LJs concerned, no one knows what context he's even using the phrase, without guessing. The game got kinda chippy yesterday. My guess is it was a reference to the Giants talking shit, which they can. Or, he's pissed about not being given the rock in the redzone, when he's had enough failure of his own down there.

Ordinarily, no one gives a damn what LJ has to say. I guess he has his uses.

I'd say sundays game was the 2nd most sickening to watch of all my fandom, save only the first Raiders game of last year...

I'm not jumping to the same conclusion as you and whitlock did, but I wouldn't put it past SI to just take what the local media says as fact. Plus all of the good coaches have been called Egotistical, including Coughlin. So I don't even know that I'd hold ego against them. Hell, the players and media both wanted Coughlin's head till he actually won. Not to mention LJ's comments, and his twitter page, normally make almost no sense at all.

Are there other comments from Grunhard other than him talking about the QB "fight" between Pioli and Haley?

atleast I have KU basketball..

Jeff also talked about Croyle beating out Cassel in training camp on his weekly segment on 810 - after reading about it on KENT BABB'S twitter page.

You're in Cali. You should check in sometime. You might actually understand why everybody in KC is so jaded. The media is AWFUL.

Yeah, I alluded to that earlier. I'm 2,000 miles away and no longer live in that "bubble" of sports. I listened to Keitzman and other sports talk guys in the 90's and early part of 2000 but eventually stopped listening because it was the same old thing every day.

Awful.

Seriously - he said that?

Wow, that's some real investigative journalism. No wonder print is dying.

I understand that ego is necessary to some extent, moreso if you're responsible for hundreds of millions of dollars and a city of 2 million. I get that.

What I don't get is for the ego to be so overbearing that it causes a negative reaction by all of those involved.

That, I don't know firsthand. I've only read about it here on the 'Planet.

:p

It hasn't changed.

However, there is something important about the local media's influence that doesn't often get mentioned.

Soren, for instance, has a daily segment where he visits like 5 cities around the country and talks to a local guy there about the teams in that city. Those guys are radio or newspaper guys about 90% of the time.

People that sit and listen to 810 every day very rarely realize that OTHER CITIES are doing the SAME THING, and they guys they're having on are guys like PETRO.

In fact, just last week I heard Clinkscale talking about going on a radio station in New York to break down the Giants game. Danny freaking Clinkscale.

And I've also heard them laughing about stuff that they've said that ends up on Sportscenter.

Yeouch.

I wonder if it's because the radio stations in each city are owned by the same media conglomerates and it's just a way to kill time?

Well, thanks for reinforcing my decision not to listen to sports talk radio. It sounds boring and redundant just from your description!

The new era in media reveals a lot about how these national guys do their jobs.

We just assumed in the past that they had a lot of inside information, real contacts - and people like John Clayton or the bigger names you can assume probably do.

But a lot of these national media types traffic in "could be" type of reporting that is based only on what they think personally and nothing else, or just items they scoop off the internet from questionable sources or the media that's available to anyone else.

It seems like the professionalism, the expertise has left journalism.

And with some teams being careful about what they share with whom, you could probably say that the average fan knows more and the media knows less than ever before.

Let's just say this isn't all smoke and there's actually fire. Would you care if it pissed LJ off and he was gone next year? How about Brian Waters? Is there anybody on this roster that's so good, so important, that their thinking the owner, GM or head coach is so egotistical that they don't want to be a part of it actually matters in any way, shape or form. What's the point Whitlock is trying to make? That this team full of mediocre players is upset because they're not being pampered anymore? Really?

And it's friggin' LJ. Who doesn't he complain about?

They're trying to turn the entire culture of the franchise around. Some players aren't going to like it, especially the ones who feel entitled. They're going to break some eggs. And losing is only going to exacerbate the grumbling. Get used to it.

Not only is it boring and redundant, it's absolutely, unequivocally useless. All of the talk, all of the analysis has absolutely no bearing on anything. Ultimately only the games and their outcomes mean anything; the rest of the bullshit is just fluff.

Much like this board. And yet I keep posting. Year after year.

*shoots self in head*

So long as they don't alienate people like Cassel, Flowers, Jackson, perhaps Albert and Dorsey, the people we'd really like to be in our long term plans, who cares?

Waters and LJ can go sit on a cactus for all I care.

My impressions of the game were:

This is getting harder and harder to watch. I can't stand to suffer through the continued offensive ineptitude. Bordering on unwatchable.

Cassel's accuracy is a bit of a growing concern. I can't remember who he missed in the endzone, but the WR had a good two and a half steps on the DB and the ball was greatly underthrown. Those have to be touchdowns. Many throws behind the receivers leading to incompletions or WRs going down immediately instead of being able to RAC.

KR/PR is a major liability. Charles coughing up the ball to start the game was awful. He started losing the ball before he was really even hit.

May as well throw in the obligatory O line is terrible and they get next to zero pass rush on defense.... O'Callaghan was an improvement over Ndukwe at RT, better but still not that good.

Listening to Christy and Cowgirl on the way home and they had Bill Maas on and it was obvious to me that they were fishing for something negative out of him. Starting questions off with, 'I don't want to look too much into things or make something out of nothing, BUT...."

My favorite part of the shows are the callers, sometimes I think we have a few idiots around here, but the guys who call in, wow! I think Dane's head might explode.

That was Ingram, of all people.

My impressions:

Offense:
1. Offensive Line:
- The addition of O'Callaghan at RT helped. I thought he held the point of attack quite well, and looked like he has decent feet. Give him a little more time in the system and he might be a serviceable to good RT for the Chiefs. Unfortunately, the Giants linebackers were able to penetrate between the tackles at will. Niswanger was simply manhandled (and I've kinda been on his bandwagon, giving him the benefit of the doubt, but at this point it's becoming obvious that he isn't able to get out and up of his stance quick enough and is getting pushed back far too easily. This could be mitigated somewhat if we had guards agile enough to pull and cover over, but neither Goff nor Waters is capable at this point in their careers. Waters is looking extremely slow right now, and I think that's hurting Albert, who is also struggling, especially in pass protection. His feet seem to be stuck in mud and he's not able to get his man out and up the field, although it appears that a lot of the pressure from that side of the line is coming in the gap between Waters and Albert. Anyway, the three interior guys were just abused yesterday. The line gave up five sacks and it could have been worse. I know that everyone around here is in love with Eric Berry, but if this situation doesn't improve, Russ Okung will be the Chiefs first round pick.

2. Running Backs
- I'm just not sure Larry gets this. At times, he looks okay, then it seems like he closes his eyes as soon as he gets the ball and just tentatively goes forward regardless, then there are times when he thinks he's Priest and tries to set up the run, but doesn't have the quickness to take advantage of any type of lateral/moving horizontally against the line waiting for a hole to open up. He can't block at all. Period. And he's almost zero threat in the passing game. Because he doesn't have much if any initial burst, but once he gets past the first level (D-Line) he looks okay. Problem is, with the sieve-like performance of the guards and center, he isn't getting the ability to get to that second level of the defense. I think I'd rather see a two-headed skat back Charles/Battle rb group than Larry at this point, because of the lack of performance on the interior offensive line which isn't letting Larry develop that head of steam. There were a lot of one back sets with Larry, but I don't know if that's a good idea at this point. I think you've got to keep Cox back there as much as possible in order to protect Cassel.

3. Tight Ends:
- I'm hoping Pope is able to get into this system quickly. Ryan had a few grabs, and made a real nice catch and run, but he makes far too many mistakes. If Pope doesn't get it, this team is going to have to bite the bullet and spend a high draft pick on a good tight end (Gresham, Pitta, Gronkowski) and give Cassel a reliable safety valve in the passing game. Or maybe Vrabel can play ironman football for the rest of the season.

4. Wide Receivers
- Cassel had arguably his worst day as a Chief yesterday in terms of his accuracy, but if you are a wide receiver, you have to make any and every catch that's close to you to help your qb out. While they didn't really get the time to separate, these guys, especially Bowe, need to start getting a little more physical running routes and sealing their guys off. This is a tough position to call as Matt just didn't have any time to set himself in the pocket and have a receiver run a full route. Bobby Wade looked good again the few times the ball was thrown to him. The guy can at least catch the ball. Engram had a reception for a first down as well. Eric Decker anyone? (Chiefs need a sure handed, physical, smart #2 possession receiver to take pressure off Bowe and let Wade play the slot.)

5. Quarterback
- No one would have criticized Matt Cassel if he pulled a Sanchez and threw the ball up for grabs while curling up into a fetal position. Sacked five times and there was the opportunity for a lot more. Matt has a very good feel for the pocket and has the athleticism to get out and run for his life when called for. He didn't pass the ball well against the Giants in terms of accuracy/velocity, but since he was basically being pressured on every single down, it's really hard to point the finger in his direction. Two touchdown passes and no interceptions against the #2 ranked defense. Could have been better, but it could have been a lot worse. He stood in the pocket (if you could call it that) and never panicked. You could see a bit of frustration on his face from time to time in this game though.

Defense:
1. Defensive Line
- Eh...Tank didn't look as good today as he did the past couple of games, but the line is making good solid tackles when the get their hands on the runner. It's the most noticeably improved area over last years team.

2. Linebackers
- Hands down, Mike Vrabel is a stud. And a scrapper. The guy is amazingly instinctive, and knows where the ball is on about every single play. Too bad our middle linebackers don't. Huge area of concern in that they just can't seem to find the ball. Belcher looks the part, but he's a rook and still isn't getting a huge amount of playing time. Hali looked okay with a sack and strip. (Read somewhere that in the three and change seasons he's been here, he's now third all time on the Chiefs forced fumble list behind DT and Neil Smith. Not too shabby.) Vrabel got jobbed several times when the Giants lineman flatout held him. Chiefs aren't getting many calls so far this year. They've completely ignored the MLB/ILB position in the draft since Percy Snow. It's time to get somebody who knows how to play football and is a football player in the middle. McCain, Pawelek or Spikes early, or Pat Angerer later.

3. Safeties
- If Mike Brown had some quicks left, he'd be pretty good. I just don't know how much he's got left in those banged up, football old legs of his. Page got absolutely jobbed on a unnecessary roughness call when he broke up a pass play with a text book hit on the receiver. One of the worst calls I've seen this year, which led to a Giants touchdown on the next play. You want to say that no one call effects the outcome of a game, but that was a momentum changer for sure. It looks like the Chiefs could use another safety. Berry early or Stuckey a couple rounds later.

4. Cornerbacks
- Flowers is a stud. Carr had an excellent game. (The breakup of the pass in the end zone was a really great play.) If you look at the box and see Steve Smith's numbers, you would have thought that he absolutely owned our corners, but the vast majority of his yardage came over the middle in zone coverage. If Flowers can stay healthy the rest of the year and keep Leggett off the field, we'll be okay at this position.

Special Teams:
- If Colquitt isn't in the Pro Bowl I'll be shocked. Kid is really, really good. And, tragically, he has to be. Succop has a really good leg, and is putting the kickoffs into the end zone. Coverage looked a lot better this game. However, we need a dedicated PR/KR on this team - fourth running back, fifth receiver whose sole job is to run back punts and kicks. CJ Spiller is going to be too expensive in the draft, but a guy like Brandon James of Florida or would be a nice addition to this team.