This is exactly what it was. No helmet involved, and it certainly wasn't too high. Nothing more than a terrible call, and a momentum changer at that.

Haha i actually really didn't do that to prove you wrong, it just got me wondering how fast they really were.

Yeah dane is spot on here. Defensive players have gotten bigger, faster and stronger since 40 years ago. All that while offensive players are still in the same mold they were. Its not like they haven't gotten bigger also. Its not they aren't stronger or faster. They are the same 160lb offensive players from 4 decades ago. Only defensive players have changed hence the rules. /sarcasm

Hell most qbs are taller and some are even taller than runningbacks. Should you not be able to hit rbs then? I swear this league is pussifying itself each year. If a safety can't hit a wr and dislodge the ball, then what can he do? Should he wait for the wr to catch the ball and give an ok sign before he hits the wr? That hit was pure shoulder to shoulder. Not only was it not helmet to helmet, but I don't even think their helmets so much as grazed each other.
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Ray Lewis was right on his interview yesterday. I'm tired of all these pansy rules destroying football. I understand there must be protection done for the players, but come on, this is getting absurd.

Let them play football. If the NFL is so damned concerned about the violence, then just ban the damn game all together. In fact, let's just change the damn game to either two-touch or flag football.

It's cool, Dude!

I watch a ton of football each and every Sunday, whether it's at home with the Sunday Ticket or at sports bars. I rarely see guys faking it like in basketball. I agree, BTW. I'm a big basketball fan, especially a Lakers fan, and the flopping there that goes on is disgusting.

But the bottom line is this: Bad calls happen every single Sunday to nearly every single team. Good teams overcome bad calls, bad teams don't.

If that call sent the Chiefs on a downward spiral, then I'd say that collectively, they have a defeatist attitude and loser's mentality.

One bad call by the refs shouldn't upset 45 guys and a coaching staff to the point of self-destruction.

There are instances where a single bad call affects the outcome of the game. Yesterday wasn't one of them.

They pretty much got even with the no call hit from Carr really

Right after that call I got a sick feeling, and thought, "I hope the chiefs don't let up now and the giants score the very next play..."

So you were a small football player? What does that have anything to do with the NFL players at that time who were also roughly the same size as they are today?

Huh?

The basic premise was that I was 6'1, 160 pounds and ran a 4.7 forty. That was good for second fastest on a state champion football team. And that was stop-watch. Not like today.

Guys today are 6'5, 275 pounds and run 4.7 forties. They've gotten bigger, stronger and faster than even 25 years ago and the impact of that hit can be catastrophic to an unprotected QB, regardless of his size.

A hit like Page made was the kind of hit that can set a tone early in a game. The crowd went wild, the sideline went wild and the players on the field were pumped. Then out comes the hanky and we got an opposite effect. The Chiefs are not a good team and crap like that just makes the hole we're trying to dig out of a little deeper. From elation to deflation.


PhilFree:arrow:

Our guys were getting mugged and flat out tackled and they were NOT being flagged for it.......................so it goes being the fan of a shitty team.

Remember the Chiefs vs. 49ers game at arrowhead back in like 1993? DT and Anthony Davis hit Steve Young so hard in his blindside I thought I heard it at my house. If that kind of sack would kill somebody than make it a damn two hand touch game and be done with it geeze. Like I said, Carson (Jessie) Palmer needs to take off his dress and change his wadded up panties.

I liked one of Petro's takes today, he said if the NFL was so concerned maybe they should stop showing those hits to promote itself.

It was a f'n horrible call. The NFL might as well as put skirts on the QB's and receivers :harumph:

Some guys on this board brag about they're HS playing days and how thats suppose to mean .02 inregards to NFL football !!!

Momentum in football IS a gamechanger, and our momentum was stolen from us and given to the other team because of the refs, not the play. Refs need to let em play.

If anything, momentum swung 5 seconds into the game with the kickoff fumble.

And when they let Hakim Nicks run right through them all the way to the end zone.

It was a horrible, horrible call for which the officiating crew should have had their feet whipped in a Turkish prison.

That said, there were some questionable calls both ways. There were a couple of false starts that I couldn't see at all, even on the replay, and the one play where Mario "I catch it on the second bounce" Manningham clearly caught the ball and they called it incomplete even on the replay.

It was incredibly frustrating for them to get a long touchdown on the next play, though. That touchdown was a gift from the officiating crew.

No, I think the momentum was taken when Charles fumbled that opening kickoff.

I think that pretty much set the tone for the whole day.

That was the correct call, tho. Its a shitty rule. Remember the Chargers-Raiders game a few weeks ago? The Raiders had an apparent TD nullified because the receiver did not secure the ball all the way to the ground.

Yep. That and the fact that the Chiefs only got 3 points from the 2 turnovers by NY. Chiefs could have been up 14-0 at that point.

It looked to me like he had it. I was surprised that they didn't rule it a catch. Maybe I'm not understanding the rule correctly.

But either way, screw Manningham. I hate him and I hate the Giants today.

I agree it has to be that or the dreaded 97 playoff game where Tony went up in bounds for a TD pass and was forced out by the defender.

Found this while responding to another post.

Owners adopt four safety-related rule changes
By Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel
March 24, 2009


Dana Point, Calif. -- It's nothing akin to the introduction of instant replay or the "K" ball, but the NFL owners have approved four minor rule changes submitted by the league's competition committee.

All four rules were made with the safety of players in mind.

Rule Change No. 1: No blindside blocks in which there is contact to the player's head.
It will now be a 15-yard penalty if "the initial force of the contact by a blocker's helmet, forearm or shoulder is to the head or neck area" if the blocker is moving toward his own endline and he approaches the opponent from behind or the side.

In simple terms, no crackback blocks to the head. Examples are receivers blocking down on linebackers and defenders blocking back on interception or fumble returns. Under this rule, it still appears that Warren Sapp's block on Chad Clifton was legal, but I'll check later with vice president of officiating Mike Pereira when he has his officiating seminar later today.

Rule Change No. 2: No more kickoff wedges.
It will be a 15-yard penalty if players intentionally form a wedge of three or more players on a kickoff return. No more than two receiving team players can join together shoulder-to-shoulder within 2 yards of each other and block for the returner.

Rule Change No. 3: Unnecessary roughness has been expanded to include shots to a defenseless receiver's head.
The amendment states, a penalty will be called "If the initial force of the contact by a defender's helmet, forearm, or shoulder is to the head or neck area of a defenseless receiver who is catching or attempting to catch a pass."

This would presumably cover the hit Steelers safety Ryan Grant had on Baltimore running back Willis McGahee in the AFC Championship game.

Rule Change No. 4: No bunch formations on kickoffs.
There must be at least four players on each side of the kicker and at least three of those must be lined up between the hash mark and the out of bounds line, one of which must be outside the yard-line number.

What the rule does is prevent teams from bunching up players on onsides kicks.

Look for an update to this story later in which I"ll have remarks from Pereira.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/archiv...ate=03-31-2009

The call was correct. Rant about the rule all you want, the refs got it right.

Actually, you are wrong. Watch the hit again. Page does not come in contact the receiver's head or neck area.

Nothing you bolded in that post took place during the tackle.

It wasn't even the worst call in the league yesterday...

WHERES THE GIF

Nobody said it was. Bad calls go for you and against you. I was pointing how orange was wrong.

No, I'm right. Completely. That is EXACTLY what happened - shoulder to neck area.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/kansas-cit...efs-highlights

At the 35 second mark.

I saw it. The ref saw it.
Even Deion and Haley saw it - they just don't know the rule. They both think it was legal because Page used his shoulder....

... Oh, yeah. And the penalty was marched off. Refs 1 - Chiefs Homers 0.


orange was right.

I've seen it too. Nothing to the neck. Perfect form tackle. You don't know what you're talking about.

Rant on.

LMAO Dude, are you ****ing blind? The announcers during the game and EVERY postgame show I saw showed the SAME 2 clips and they ALL said it was a bad call. There was NO contact to the head or neck area.

I could really give a shit what the announcers said - as I mentioned above, they don't even know the rule.

And I just linked the video. Look at it all you want. The penalty yardage still stands - and it's Chiefs Homers who've posted at least two threads about it. I'm not the one ranting. I'm LMAO.

How many times would you guess in this very thread someone has said it was legal because (1) Page used his shoulder and (2) he didn't hit Smith in the head?

He has donkeyvision, and should be ignored in general when it comes to just about anything. Pam on the jersey's, funny, not cheating, breaking the salary cap, eh... etc. etc.

I watched the video there a few times now and there is no way anyone could see a penalty.

Jarrad Page nails Steve Smith shoulder to collarbone
 

15 yards, 1st Down Giants!

Sadly we will never hear if their is an apology letter from the NFL, but people often slide down from the neck to the elbow on a hard hit, lol!!!

:LOL: "elbow"

WRONG!!! I recorded the game and watched the play multiple times. Page's helmet didn't touch any part of his head or body. It was a clean hit shoulder to shoulder. Even after commercial break, the guy in the booth admitted he was wrong and the hit was clean.

and you really don't see Page's shoulder in his CHEST in that picture? You and Mecca need to hang out so you can have someone to argue with just for the hell of it.

Those crappy stills are pissing me off. You guys deserve better, so here is the proof of what we already know. **** THE REFS AND **** THE NEW YORK ****ING GIANTS!

http://i36.tinypic.com/wv27g0.gif

Try making that call on the field at full speed... I have no problem with it. Remember, the officials do not make the rules. Given the rules I can see why the guy made this call. Not saying it was right, but I can see why he called it like he did.

I realize it was a difficult call. But they got it wrong. The ability to review that type of play should be instituted.

This

See, that is why we are thinking your and idiot, 'cause you rounded up the other half. Just look at the gifs from gochiefs and tell me which way his head would go if his neck or head were hit.

you still need to err on the side of no call.

Looks to me like Page didn't hit Smith in the head, neck, collarbone, shoulder, chest, or cock.

Page hit the BALL.

HAY ORANGE! TRY HARDAR!

Don't need to.

Shoulder to neck area.

Just like the rule says.

The penalty stands.

:thumb:

There's no reason to be a dick. Just admit you were wrong.

Beat me to it. Wrong call. It just is.

Then Steve Smith is a ****ing freak, because his neck area is below his shoulder pads.

Orange is just being a trolling douchbag. Time for a neg rep bomb.