Stick a fork in him. Who's the best free agent available?

He hasn't, actually.

Try watching a game. Last year Smith was indecisive and pathetic.

I did, and he did.

LJ is getting mugged by 2 or 3 defenders on almost every snap right now. Seriously. That happens to Charles and he gets hurt. GUARANTEED.

Much better to let LJ take the punishment and hope the OL un****s itself. Use Charles sparingly in the running game and more importantly KEEP HIM FRESH for the passing game, where he is OUTSTANDING.

Kolby Smith averaged 2.9 yards per ****ing carry last year you imbecile. He had a couple of good games in 2007 and then for whatever reason went to SHIT last year.

His longest ****ing run for his CAREER is 19 ****ing yards.

AND HE CAN'T EVEN PLAY RIGHT NOW.

He's a piece of shit.

And I didn't exactly say Kolby Smith was a Pro Bowler. Just that he makes things happen where LJ can not.

Isn't 2.9 better than LJ?

Frankly, I'm embarrassed for LJ.

It's like watching an old show horse that used to leave other ponies in the dust and now limps around with no confidence with the knowledge that whatever it had that used to make it special is now long gone. Haley should show LJ mercy

Last year, dipshit.

I'm sure this year Kolby Smith would be injured after about his 20th carry of the season that featured four defenders piledriving him to the ground.

I'm tired, pissed off and ****ing ANGRY at dipshits who don't recognize the progress we made today.

Yep.

What the **** you talking bout? I didnt go the ****ing bash.

What's sad about this whole discussion is, quite frankly, it's showing more and more that the Chiefs don't have very good running backs.

LJ is done.

Charles is the next Greg Hill.

Kolby Smith is garbage.

Oh, I believe the team played fairly well overall, albeit assisted by Dallas' dumb****ery throughout most of the game.

Larry, on the other hand, looked like his same glorious self he always does. Shit on a stick.

That's kind of what I was saying. Maybe except the Charles thing.

your compliment was sufficient SR

You say that Charles will get hurt guaranteed. Okay lets find out. I think if he's sharing some carries with someone else (Battle, Savage) that wouldn't happen.

And no it's not better to let LJ take the punishment. I'm not interested in him receiving punishment. I'm interested in guys who average 2. something per carry sitting the bench.

If everybody else can't do better then feel free to put LJ back in there.

But if the O-line is going to continually not open holes, might as well put in a guy who can make someone miss. Maybe we'll catch a break. LJ can't make anybody miss. He's a guy who needs a clear lane and that just isn't going to happen this season.

Exactly!

LOL @ people who want Battle to share carries with Charles.

Battle is the slowest RB on the roster and has ZERO quickness.

No, Charles is the next Greg Hill. One hit, he's done. He'll go down. He also has a major issue of fumblitis.

Yeah, yeah, we get it.

You have Johnson so far up your ass that you actually believe he can drill his own holes.

He does have competition though for this honor.

I don't even really like Battle that much.

It could be Charles getting 75% of the carries and LJ 25%. Whatever. (even though that 25% would be a waste).

You just can't keep feeding a guy who's performing that bad. Plain and simple.

If you can't see that because you're such an LJ homer, then there's just no hope for you and I'm sorry.

This...

How do people know that Charles can't withstand the pounding and will get hurt? Charles carried the ball 258 times in his Junior season at Texas. He is now returning kicks, which is one of the easiest ways to get hurt in the NFL. Let's not see what one of KC's biggest threats can do because he won't hold up or get injured?

Charles is playing near the same weight that Priest Holmes was playing at. I just don't get this, "play Charles as a third down back" BS because he "may" get hurt. Who cares? What do we have to lose?

I've said it once in this thread, and I'll say it again. LJ does nothing better than Charles does. But...Charles has more speed, more elusiveness, better vision and catches the ball better. Give him the damn rock! Or we can just declare him a third down back for the rest of his career just because....

It still sucks that Green Bay offered us a 1st round pick back in 07 for LJ.

Charles is nowhere close to Priest. Not even close. The only thing Charles is far more superior than Priest was is their straight line speed. But that's it. Charles can't catch very well, drops the easy ones, and when he gets hit, he's done.

He's Greg Hill II. You haven't forgotten his fumbling problems, do you? Remember the opening KO against the Giants game?

we could have drafted bowe and Beason that would have been a great draft.

I'm pretty sure he was referring to Charles lbs compared to Priest and therefore could take the pounding... Not comparing skills.

Nobody is saying he is or ever will be as good as Priest was....

Anyways, I think Priest played at around 213 and Charles is listed at 200 even. If you want a comparison body type wise, look at Chris Johnson. They are practically identical body build wise. But Chris Johnson splits carries so they don't worry about him getting injured.

The same could be with Charles.

This. He runs stiff and upright. When he changes direction if appears very awkward.

Definately doesn't appear to be anything special.

First paragraph = acknowledged.

As for comparing to Chris Johnson, eh, I don't think so. He runs upright, and when he tries to change directions or move to a different direction, he doesn't do it "naturally" as you should. Just seemed he does it in a "akward" way.

I'm sorry, but Charles isn't exactly special in my book. I won't shed a tear if he was also let go.

LOL is there an echo in here?

J/K Coach Thanks for agreeing with me.

Yeah I just just want to make it clear that I think Charles can't hold a candle to Chris Johnson.

My point was mainly to the people saying he shouldn't get a look as the starter because he'd get injured. And my point was that he's the same size as other guys in the league who can handle it because they share carries.

I'm only interested in seeing someone else (my vote is Charles) start this season at HB instead of Larry because he's done. I mean things are going bad so might as well try something different.

If come offseason they draft in the mid to late rounds (I'm normally not a fan of drafting RBs high) someone they want to feature, fine with me.

At this point, it wouldn't hurt to give Charles an 11 game audition to see if he can get the feel and not look akward. If not, then RB needs to be added to the already long list of needs on draft day next Spring.

**** the comparisons to priest, or Chris Johnson, or to Greg Hill.

Let's compare him to LJ.

Is his level of suckage comparable to LJ's or does he potentially suck less.

That's the only comparison that matters.

In my book, he hasn't yet shown that he sucks as much.

I honestly dont think the Chiefs have any "special" RB's on their roster currently.

LJ happens to make a boatload of money and he made a few plays in the past so he starts by default for now.

We don't need special. We just need someone who can average over 2.3 yards per carry (LJ's average after today for the year).

Couldn't be that hard to top that.

Why is it LJ's fault?
 

Anyone of us would just as frustrated as LJ if we had to try to run behind a line that can't run block or pass block. He has defensive linemen in his face as soon as he gets the handoff. This O-line has some serious problems they need to get fixed. I'm not sure if it's possible this year, but LJ or Cassel will be on IR soon if they don't... There isn't a running back in the NFL that could do any better than LJ is right now.

Umm...no.

:shake:

You just lost all of this with that. :shake:

Agreed.

LJ isn't a bad back right now. He's just behind the wrong offensive line. Charles is a better fit for a bad offensive line. That doesn't make LJ bad. You just got to get LJ to the second level. That's where he's dangerous. More often than not, he's getting caught in the backfield before he can even turn the burners on.

I'm not comparing Priest to Charles in any other way than weight alone. How could you even get that I was comparing the two in any other way than that from my post? WOW.

Charles IS TEN TIMES better in the passing game than LJ. Drops the easy ones? Give me a fuckin break. Charles is an excellent receiver out of the backfield.

He's not special in your book because he hasn't gotten a chance to be the featured back. Even when LJ went down last season, they stuck Kolby Smith in there for God knows what reason.

It's time to give Charles a chance. I'll take a fumble or two with the potential of a big play rather than watch LJ slam in the back of his lineman again and again and again and again and again and again. Even with a hole he has no explosion.

MUUAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DONT **** WITH ME LJ

I apologize for being late to respond to this discussion. Charles is better than LJ, yeah, one some areas of the game. The big knock on Charles is that he fumbles the ball. And another issue that I have with Charles, he only have straight-line speed. Everything else he is "meh" in. When he gets hit on contact, he goes down. He doesn't have the agility that would make people miss.

His legs are toothpicks, and he has fumblitis, not to mention he goes down too easy. If he's hit in the first level, that's it, no gain. If he's in space, look out. He's an average receiver, drops the easy ones too often which negates a lot of attempts to get him in space.