Third and 24 and he throws for 8!!!! What an ass hole!!!!!!
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For many, I'm guessing that it has far more to do with who wanted the team to select Sanchez.

Well, I guess that was a very "Cassel-like" drive for Sanchez. Except for running backwards 14 yards prior to being sacked.

Pretty much.

I'm a Chiefs fan. Bottom line. I'm not rooting for Matt Ryan each week. Or Joe Flacco. Or Matt Stafford. Because they don't play for the Chiefs. I'm not going to praise their enormous upside and what they could become; because they don't play for the Chiefs. I don't want them to win any SB's. Because I'd like the Chiefs to win them all, from now until forever.

Some folks are actively rooting for Sanchez...pulling for him to be successful...and WTF for? What good does that do the Chiefs?

This is the part I don't understand. Sanchez got a TON of credit for doing some impressive things, but mostly being a little erratic... but he won games. Now that his defense is giving up some scores late in the games, suddenly, the "Sanchez just knows how to win games" argument doesn't apply. Meanwhile, Cassel has done a lot of the same things as Sanchez. He's been largely ineffective most of the game, but in the three games the defense kept the opposing offense honest, Cassel engineered go-ahead drives in each of those games late in the game.

Let's face it. The ONLY reason there was so much Sanchez ball-washing was because he won games. Now that he's not, it's becoming extremely clear that the two are having very similar seasons production-wise.

What is the definition of subpar, really? Because Big Ben's game has always been about managing the game early, letting the defense put them in the position to win games, and then making some big plays late in the 4th quarter. Has Cassel really done anything all that different?

What do we really want out of our QB? The big playmaker or the guy that knows how to close games?

Well, that would be ridiculous. I don't want Sanchez to be good because that would mean that the Chiefs made a giant mistake. I don't believe they did, just like I didn't believe they did then. If Sanchez does prove to be a great QB though, that will suck, as a fan of this team.

Takes a sack. Throws for 8 when he needs 24. AND throws for 4 interceptions. I can see why Pioli was such a dummy for passing on such greatness.
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I wanted the team to select Sanchez. I wanted Stafford. We didn't get them. I realized I had to move on.

Am I in love with Cassel? No. Hopefully some day I will be.

Does it do me any good to pine for Sanchez and root for him now that he's a Jet? No.

They don't call him Dirty Sanchez for nuttin

So, during this time he wasn't

1) Studying NFL film
2) Using NFL trainers and facilities?
3) Participating in practice
4) Learning NFL playbooks

Ok.

He seems like a nice guy so I hate to root against him, but part of me agrees with this. Just a piece of mind thing. That said, one bad game does not a bust make.

I agree with all of this.

To many of us who watched the Jets games and didn't just watch the highlights, we saw that in a couple of those games Sanchez "closed out" he actually threw interceptions in key 4th quarter drives that would either ice the games or put his team ahead. The defense saved those games, and there is really no question about it.

Ha ha, that was a Herm type challenge.....for 6 yards

I pretty much always root against teams from California,Texas and New York.



Being from the midwest, why wouldn't you?

Sanchez has thrown 4 picks and is 8 of 23 right now. The score? 13-13. Like I said all year, that defense has carried that team and they have won in SPITE of Sanchez, not because of him.

Of course it's always more complicated than some broad generalization accounts for.

Similarly, it's disingenuous to heap too much praise on Cassel for his performance at the end of the OAK game when his play in the earlier part of the game was a significant factor for why the team wasn't already (potentially comfortably) ahead.

Envious much?

I forgot that we were making evaluations for rookies' futures after one-third of a season.

God, you're a ****ing idiot.

Peyton Manning, your God among men, had Marvin Harrison, Tarik Glenn, and Marshall Faulk as a rookie, and went 3-13 with 31 ****ing interceptions.

31 picks.

I agree with that. You haven't see me posting a lot pumping up what Cassel is doing either. I would like to see what he could do with a legitimate line and running game though. I think he has played fairly well all things considered though. And he hasn't outright lost games with horrible play.

If the Jets lose today, it will be because of Mark Sanchez. I would say that if Kelen Clemons was the QB for the Jets today, they are up a couple TDs.

Who here said that he was ready to lead a championship or playoff caliber team as a rookie? Please, point me to one person who has made this claim.

Ben Roethlisberger throws for about 3,000 yards every year and always has as many QBs as he does INTs.

He has made his mark in the NFL by being able to make plays when they count most. And when he makes a big 4th quarter go-ahead drive, his defense usually steps up and makes a big stop when they need to.

Are you going to say that Big Ben is a below average QB because he has pretty good 1st halves, but very good 4th quarters? I don't understand why Sanchez got so much praise for throwing for 150 yards but making plays when it matters most, but Cassel gets criticized for essentially doing the same thing but not having the defense to close out those games in most cases.

14 after week 6.

How would KC fans have handled this?

Defenses have obviously adjusted to some of the things they were seeing from Sanchez. All part of being a rookie, the trick is how will Sanchez adjust. I don't think Sanchez is Peyton Manning but he should be fine. This place is going to be unbearable the first time we play the Jets. I'm over it.

Completely agree with the first.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the second because he's been a significant contributing factor.

So the entire argument of the Sanchez crowd is that because he was 22 he was the pick. So any 22 qb will do I guess because it can't be based on anything else he has shown. So just draft any old 22 year old qb or else you don't want to win a championship.
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Good thing Sanchez pushed that right.

You left out Florida.

media bias,arrogant ass fans ....


Envy doesn't have anything to do with it.

That's pretty much an accurate summary from draft planet. I can recall myself making many a post saying, "This douche is 22. That'll work."

What are Bills fans going to do to Lindell? LMAO

:clap: That is what you get for your conservative pussy-ass playcalling and "playing it safe" coaching style, Dick. May you, Marty, Herm, and the rest of your ilk continue to be burned by such situations.

Buy 'em a beer if it helps get Dick out of town?

He would've been called a bust. The only rookie QB's who are successful are usually the ones that are protected by running the ball a ton and a good defense. Roethlisberger is elite now but his rookie season they were #1 in running the football and #1 in defense.

Although who knows what Sanchez would've done here, it probably would've been a lot worse. Cassel does have more experience and look how he's doing. But I don't think Cassel stinks. It's definitely harder to evaluate someone the offensive weapons we have.

Holy Ejection, Batman.

Impeccable logic.

Which is exactly why we didn't draft him. Could you imagine how many picks he's have if he was playing on the disaster that is the Chiefs? That's how you David Carr a rookie. That's why Pioli went with the vet who has had to fight for his NFL life, cause there's going to be a lot of adversity in being the QB here...

God, I ****ing hate the way this commentator says Sanchez.

If Sanchez were here, and the coaching staff wanted to play him behind this line, they should be summarily fired.

It would be completely reckless to throw a rookie behind this line.

In probably the same way the Chiefs fans are grilling Cassel. I realize that he comes into KC with a lot more experience, but I don't think that justifies grilling him for not playing outstanding in a situation where he's essentially asked to score points on his own.

QFT

I didn't realize that drafting a rookie meant he started in game 1.

Duly noted.

Just because a QB is drafted doesn't mean he must start week 1.

Apples and oranges. And most legit criticisms of Cassel account for the general shit that is the team.

He'd have been in by Week 4. No sane head coach is willing to tie his career to Brodie Croyle and Tyler Thigpen.

26 TD's 28 INT's his rookie year hamas

No one is expecting him to be 2007 Tom Brady. What fans should expect that they haven't yet gotten is that he has a good internal clock, doesn't take unnecessary sacks, and displays accuracy and touch when given time.

That's not to say that he's been completely worthless. Again, a false choice put forth by dumbasses who can't think for themselves (not you, the Pioli Zombies and Hooties of the world). He's a tough sonofabitch, and he plays better in the 4th than he does in the 1st. Hell, he's shown as much late game ability as Trent Green @ this point in his career.

Sign a vet.

Thigpen isn't a QB.

dude mark sanchez is awesome....he totally won this game for the Jets! Yes!

Thank you for the correction.

Calling Cassel's play sub-par is a bit much. What exactly are people expecting from him? It's nigh on miraculous he's able to manage the game as well as he has in the situation the franchise has put him in. How's he supposed get into a rhythm with a line that can't protect and receivers that apparently put cooking spray on their hands instead of stick-em? Beyond that there's been no semblence of a running game to open up the pass. But somehow he's still able to put the team into a position to win virtually every week. Put him on that Jets team and he's probably a 60-65% passer on a 5-, soon to be 6-, win team.

Which isn't saying Sanchez won't be a stud in a year or three...

But come on. What would any quarterback look like behind center on the '09 Chiefs? How good would Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or Drew Brees or anybody else you can name look behind this line throwing to this group of skill players? How comfortable to poised could any quarterback look in this situation?

How about a little history. Anybody remember Trent Green? By this point in '01, he'd already thrown 9 interceptions. And as bad as that team was, the line was far and away better than this year's, and the receivers were at worst equal to what they're running out there in '09. If Cassel was showing that kind of tendency, turning the ball over, I might see it as sub-par. But that's just not what's happening. Has his accuracy been off at times? Sure. And my guess is the more consistent the team around him becomes, the more confident and consistent he becomes. Just like Green in '02 and beyond.

Cassel right now is being asked to turn chicken shit into chicken parmesan. I figure the choices are to be mad that he's only able to give us chicken strips right now, or to be encouraged that he's able to get as much as he has out of what he has to work with.

Personally, I think it's a good sign for the future.

This is ****ing recklessly idiotic...

Wow, and that was before I saw the fake.

Rex Ryan may well be a ****ing reerun.

It's not apples and oranges. Peyton was asked to win games by himself because the rest of his team sucked. The Jets were fortunate enough to be in a situation where the team around their young QB was strong enough that they didn't expect him to be a savior for the team this season.

The criticisms of Cassel expect Cassel to play very well in spite of playing around general shit. While he has experience, isn't that a little tough to have those kinds of expectations?

So we draft a rookie QB at three, pay him multi millions of dollars, and sit him behind, who, Brodie Croyle? Is that really going to make this a better football team? You really think after Brodie gets sacked 35 times and breaks his foot the guy was still going to sit on the bench?

I think that Pioli would prefer to get a foundation set in here where when we are in a position that we need to develop a long term starter, we have the luxury of drafting a guy and letting him sit for the year. This team isn't there yet...

wow...Weatherford has a better arm than Sanchez...can't believe we let him get away

The biggest difference right now between Cassel and Sanchez is INT's. Cassel's hasn't thrown one in 130 or so attempts while Sanchez has thrown alot especially in the last 3 weeks or so.

Carson Palmer sat behind Jon Kitna, FFS. Eli sat for the first 8 games of his rookie year. Rivers sat for multiple years before Brees had done anything. Cutler sat for the first 3/4 of his rookie year.

I 've said on this board multiple times that were we to draft a QB, we should sit him until after a bye week at the earliest. Wait for the sked to get easier, and put him in a position to succeed.

Come on, keg. This is exactly the problem that many had with the acquisition.

But, whatever, if he's Green II there could be worse things.

amen brother


it's a losing fight on this board, but well said

Oh my. Threw it right at the defender.

I think Haley is stubborn enough to do what he wants. But there would've been a LOT of pressure to play Sanchez had we drafted him.

"Well we're 1-5! What are we waiting for! Time to see the future!"

Same stupid stuff you see all the time. It's easy to sit here and say it now but there would've been a large swell of support to play Sanchez if we were still sitting him at this point. Very few coaches have the type of patience to pull a Carson Palmer anymore.

Jesus. Is he blind today?

Mookie with another pick!

Six? Who is this Sanchavre?

LMAO

5 picks. Jesus. He just matched his season total today.

Man, 5 picks? This guy is awesome!

Wow this is bad.

He's got tunnel vision on Edwards. He needs to stop thinking about Braylon's draft position and talents, and move to his secondary receiver. Keller is a good player, and he's almost completely ignoring him.

Just proves how bad Buffalo is that they haven't won this game...

Cassel goes Cotchery JUST sayin

Hehe, He's playing horrible 10/29 and 5 picks. Where is mecca at? dude is quick to try to get his praise, but as of right now, dude looks like crap. Not saying he wont turn it around, but wow, this is bad today, they got a good ass defense though.

So far this year Sanchez has looked a lot, lot better than Manning did his rookie year. And Manning had a great O-line, Marvin Harrison, and Marshall Faulk.

indeed, feels very chiefs like...a team does everything in their power to give you the game and you still can't take it

Interesting that Ryan has Gholston play a 3 or 5 Technique in 3rd down situations.

Honestly, if Sanchez is getting tunnel-vision on Edwards this bad; imagine what he'd do with our WR corps. At least he has viable second options with the Jets. After he got done locking onto Bowe and seeing there was no separation; he'd be dead in the pocket on the Chiefs.

he's more valuable than Matt Ryan, that's for sure

The same Cotchery who was inactive today and had one catch before leaving on Monday?

Well, that'll do it.

Edit: Assuming it is a "catch"

what a catch by evans!