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tyler360 10-25-2009 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 6206856)
There were a few people chanting "Brodie! Brodie! Brodie!" but it wasn't very loud.

An amazingly drunk guy in my section was yelling for Hailey to punt it on the 4th down attempt. That is sad when a plastered idiot fan knows to make the right call and your head coach does not

WildTurkey 10-25-2009 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler360 (Post 6206852)
At least culter has a ton of talent. Cassel does not and he has yet to have a good game. When a player is paid the big bucks it is not unreasonable to expect better than dog shit performance from him

yeah cause this team would be awesome with a really talented QB right now right? he's played bad but it's not all on him they are all overpaid for how they are performing... except maybe Succop

Mecca 10-25-2009 10:14 PM

Lets put it this way, for what Cassel makes if he keeps playing like this he's going to get Haley fired.

tyler360 10-25-2009 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by WildTurkey (Post 6206862)
yeah cause this team would be awesome with a really talented QB right now right? he's played bad but it's not all on him they are all overpaid for how they are performing... except maybe Succop

The reason I say that is because the organization has hitched its wagon onto Cassel and said he is our Franchise guy. Franchise guys do not play the way Cassel has so far this season

Mecca 10-25-2009 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler360 (Post 6206871)
The reason I say that is because the organization has hitched its wagon onto Cassel and said he is our Franchise guy. Franchise guys do not play the way Cassel has so far this season

Not when they're 27 anyway.

DeezNutz 10-25-2009 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler360 (Post 6206871)
The reason I say that is because the organization has hitched its wagon onto Cassel and said he is our Franchise guy. Franchise guys do not play the way Cassel has so far this season

He's not a franchise guy.

He's just a guy. A very pedestrian guy who happens to make a lot of money and will be another name that we rattle off in a few years when remembering the list of has-beens and never-weres that were trotted out as starting QBs for this franchise.

WildTurkey 10-25-2009 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6206864)
Lets put it this way, for what Cassel makes if he keeps playing like this he's going to get Haley fired.

The whole team played like dog shit..... I fail to see how this is some great indictment on Cassel... this team is terrible not an excuse just a fact, honestly I expected his struggling, no o-line, one good but inconsistent WR, and no running game not to mention a brand new offense a week before the season... anyone who expected him to thrive under those circumstances need their heads checked... is he the answer at QB? who knows but it's tough to judge either way based on the start of this season, If Pioli really wants him to be the guy he needs to put him in a situation where he can thrive and he is not even close to that right now

PlasticMan 10-25-2009 10:24 PM

I remember seeing Matt throw a pretty good pass down field last year that beat us in week one

tyler360 10-25-2009 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6206883)
He's not a franchise guy.

He's just a guy. A very pedestrian guy who happens to make a lot of money and will be another name that we rattle off in a few years when remembering the list of has-beens and never-weres that were trotted out as starting QBs for this franchise.

Sadly you are right after today's game i really think we got Damon Huard 2.0. The much more expensive version.

wild1 10-25-2009 10:25 PM

It's only one game. This one was a good deal below the level he's played at for the rest of the season.

Pioli Zombie 10-25-2009 10:27 PM

I did some chores. Watched some football. Watched some baseball. And you people are still acting like its 9/11 or something because your 2-14 team is 1-6. Exactly what everybody said they'd be. You've been bitching and moaning for 8 hours. Its football. Try to enjoy yourself.
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Hammock Parties 10-25-2009 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 6206903)
It's only one game. This one was a good deal below the level he's played at for the rest of the season.

He was mediocre in the other games...maybe a game or two above average.

So when he lays a turd against a shitty defense at HOME...enough is enough.

And this is coming from someone who has been positive where Matt Cassel is concerned all year long.

WildTurkey 10-25-2009 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6206883)
He's not a franchise guy.

He's just a guy. A very pedestrian guy who happens to make a lot of money and will be another name that we rattle off in a few years when remembering the list of has-beens and never-weres that were trotted out as starting QBs for this franchise.

Nobody knows that he is or he isn't he's played 6 games for this franchise with one of the worst rosters ever. I would like to see what he does on this team with some talent if we ever get any :rolleyes:

Pink Paradise 2010 10-25-2009 10:30 PM

its not just our passing. its due to our bad offensive line and our defense. we cant get pressure at all !!!! it sucks

Hammock Parties 10-25-2009 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 6206906)
I did some chores. Watched some football. Watched some baseball. And you people are still acting like its 9/11 or something because your 2-14 team is 1-6. Exactly what everybody said they'd be. You've been bitching and moaning for 8 hours. Its football. Try to enjoy yourself.
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Actually I think a lot of people expect Cassel to play much better than he showed today.

This team could be 3-4 if Cassel has raised his level of play to match his bank account.

wild1 10-25-2009 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6206910)
He was mediocre in the other games...maybe a game or two above average.

So when he lays a turd against a shitty defense at HOME...enough is enough.

And this is coming from someone who has been positive where Matt Cassel is concerned all year long.

It's funny how you run every excuse in the book out for Larry Johnson, but Matt Cassel - you expect him to perform like a pro bowler no matter what.

WildTurkey 10-25-2009 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6206910)
He was mediocre in the other games...maybe a game or two above average.

So when he lays a turd against a shitty defense at HOME...enough is enough.

And this is coming from someone who has been positive where Matt Cassel is concerned all year long.

San Diego has a pretty talented Defense.... and had he played well we still would have gotten our asses handed to us by a vastly superior team.... yep he's not great by week 6 he sucks... but LJ man just give him more time and blocking right?

Hammock Parties 10-25-2009 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 6206919)
It's funny how you run every excuse in the book out for Larry Johnson, but Matt Cassel - you expect him to perform like a pro bowler no matter what.

I don't really. With this OL and receivers, I expect Cassel to be above average at best. But I do expect him to hit open receivers when he has time to step into throws. You should expect that from any competent quarterback.

And they are two different positions.

What Cassel did today would be like Larry missing gaping holes on half his handoffs and fumbling three times.

stevieray 10-25-2009 10:45 PM

Cassel's career in KC has just started...false expectations can't and won't define it six games.

Demonpenz 10-25-2009 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 6206969)
Cassel's career in KC has just started...false expectations can't and won't define it six games.

throw the ball to the open player.

DeezNutz 10-25-2009 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 6206985)
throw the ball to the open player.

This post overshot the mark. Missed a wide open opportunity.

Hammock Parties 10-25-2009 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6206987)
This post overshot the mark. Missed a wide open opportunity.

Demonpenz is failing Chiefsplanet.

Discuss Thrower 10-25-2009 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6206994)
Demonpenz is failing Chiefsplanet.

But has he lost his burst?

stevieray 10-25-2009 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6206994)
Demonpenz is failing Chiefsplanet.

ya, especially for the kind of rep he makes...I was expecting a frozen rope to the side of the head...

DeezNutz 10-25-2009 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6206994)
Demonpenz is failing Chiefsplanet.

His prose style went full Huard.

Micjones 10-25-2009 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6206390)
Cassel is just wildly inaccurate down the field, he had the problem in NE and it's still with him. His other problem is when he hits his back foot on his drop if his first read isn't open his first instinct is to start moving. He never just drops back and progresses through his reads without running around even when he has a good pocket he does it.

He did that on the Bowe TD yesterday.
His first read wasn't open, he stood tall in the pocket, turned and fired a pass for #82...6 points.

WildTurkey 10-25-2009 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 6207018)
He did that on the Bowe TD yesterday.
His first read wasn't open, he stood tall in the pocket, turned and fired a pass for #82...6 points.

He's made some nice throws but he has been madly inconsistent he does seem to do better when the offense is in a quick rhythm tho IMO ....

Micjones 10-25-2009 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WildTurkey (Post 6207029)
He's made some nice throws but he has been madly inconsistent he does seem to do better when the offense is in a quick rhythm tho IMO ....

I'm not suggesting that he's a world-beater.
I said, myself, earlier today that he cost us 6 points on two separate wayward throws...

I don't know... I guess I'm just the kind of guy to give criticism AND credit where it's due.

DeezNutz 10-25-2009 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 6207018)
He did that on the Bowe TD yesterday.
His first read wasn't open, he stood tall in the pocket, turned and fired a pass for #82...6 points.

Good point.

And since I've criticized the man a ton today: the throw to Long was just perfect. High-quality NFL throw and one that a guy like Thigpen never makes.

Too bad that Matt Cassel lays dormant most of the time.

WildTurkey 10-25-2009 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 6207048)
I'm not suggesting that he's a world-beater.
I said, myself, earlier today that he cost us 6 points on two separate wayward throws...

I don't know... I guess I'm just the kind of guy to give criticism AND credit where it's due.

same here.... rep... I'm just not ready to call him shit after 6 games

Hammock Parties 10-25-2009 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6207049)
Good point.

And since I've criticized the man a ton today: the throw to Long was just perfect. High-quality NFL throw and one that a guy like Thigpen never makes.

Too bad that Matt Cassel lays dormant most of the time.

I see things like that and wonder if an offseason in the same offense with the same receivers won't develop more consistency.

Here's hopin'

Micjones 10-25-2009 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6207049)
Good point.

And since I've criticized the man a ton today: the throw to Long was just perfect. High-quality NFL throw and one that a guy like Thigpen never makes.

Too bad that Matt Cassel lays dormant most of the time.

Yep, the throw to Long was right on the money as well.
Several of his throws were today. But when you leave points on the board because you missed a wide open receiver fans forget the good ones. And I honestly can't say that I blame them.

blazzin311 10-25-2009 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 6206783)
Jay Cutler threw 3 INT's today and the Bears got crushed by the Bungles....does this mean that Cutler is terrible too?

This Cassel hate is ridiculous. He had a bad game...move on. The whole team sucks.
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Agreed. :thumb:


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Originally Posted by WildTurkey (Post 6206799)
This..... he's played 6 games for probably the least talented team in NFL history... shit even the best QB's in the NFL need some help... anyone who claims it's all his fault is a ****ing moron

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Originally Posted by WildTurkey (Post 6206912)
Nobody knows that he is or he isn't he's played 6 games for this franchise with one of the worst rosters ever. I would like to see what he does on this team with some talent if we ever get any :rolleyes:


I agree with this too. It is unfair to have high expectations of Cassel or judge him with the lack of talent overall on this roster. Give it a year or two folks. It's really our only option at this point.


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Originally Posted by WildTurkey (Post 6206887)
The whole team played like dog shit..... I fail to see how this is some great indictment on Cassel... this team is terrible not an excuse just a fact, honestly I expected his struggling, no o-line, one good but inconsistent WR, and no running game not to mention a brand new offense a week before the season... anyone who expected him to thrive under those circumstances need their heads checked... is he the answer at QB? who knows but it's tough to judge either way based on the start of this season, If Pioli really wants him to be the guy he needs to put him in a situation where he can thrive and he is not even close to that right now

I agree with ya here. Now if the Chiefs have not made some serious improvments by this time next year then I'm going to be concerned. But anyone who expected the Chiefs to even be a halfway decent team this year was kidding themselves. It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.


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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6206916)
Actually I think a lot of people expect Cassel to play much better than he showed today.

This team could be 3-4 if Cassel has raised his level of play to match his bank account.

I don't know if the Chiefs would be 3-4 or not. Fact is no one really knows for sure. I do agree with you that there is plenty of room for improvement both from Cassel and from every other area of the the Chiefs football team. There's just not enough talent on this ball club yet plain and simple.

WildTurkey 10-25-2009 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6207054)
I see things like that and wonder if an offseason in the same offense with the same receivers won't develop more consistency.

Here's hopin'

They need to develop the offense around his strengths... he needs to be the identity of the offense.... and IMO he is at his best in a quick up tempo offense...

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-25-2009 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by WildTurkey (Post 6206838)
yeah that didn't happen so get the **** over it..... I wanted them to draft a QB too but that didn't happen,I however don't use it as a reason to constantly bitch and piss and moan about every little thing Pioli, Haley and Cassel do... shit people bitch about the homers and the do no wrong attitude... I almost think the whole sandy vagina attitude toward every little thing that the new regime does is just as ridiculous

I was speaking in future-tense, you cheeky little monkey. And by the by, I believe I'll enjoy fandom on MY ****ing terms, thank you very much.
When a million fools rush to proclaim the Headmaster of this porta-potty a "genius", I'll be there to remind them of the error of their ways.
I'm consistent like that.

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Originally Posted by WildTurkey (Post 6207067)
They need to develop the offense around his strengths... he needs to be the identity of the offense.... and IMO he is at his best in a quick up tempo offense...

Like...like...THIGGY!

WOOT! ELEVENTY BILLION!!!1111!!!!!



Dear GM,

Field a ****ing football team, you cannoli-eating ****.

WildTurkey 10-25-2009 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6207095)
I was speaking in future-tense, you cheeky little monkey. And by the by, I believe I'll enjoy fandom on MY ****ing terms, thank you very much.
When a million fools rush to proclaim the Headmaster of this porta-potty a "genius", I'll be there to remind them of the error of their ways.
I'm consistent like that.



Like...like...Thigpen!

WOOT! ELEVENTY BILLION!!!1111!!!!!



Dear GM,

Field a ****ing football team, you cannoli-eating ****.


no I never said spread..... The Pats have been quite good over the years running that style of offense even before Moss and Welker...

WildTurkey 10-25-2009 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6207095)
I was speaking in future-tense, you cheeky little monkey. And by the by, I believe I'll enjoy fandom on MY ****ing terms, thank you very much.
When a million fools rush to proclaim the Headmaster of this porta-potty a "genius", I'll be there to remind them of the error of their ways.
I'm consistent like that.



Like...like...Thigpen!

WOOT! ELEVENTY BILLION!!!1111!!!!!



Dear GM,

Field a ****ing football team, you cannoli-eating ****.

Nobody is calling him a genious :) some would like to let things play out a little bit before he gets proclaimed one way or the other

blazzin311 10-25-2009 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by WildTurkey (Post 6207105)
Nobody is calling him a genious :) some would like to let things play out a little bit before he gets proclaimed one way or the other

Exactly. I don't see why this is so hard for everyone to understand. I suppose the fact that for the past 3yrs. that's all the Chiefs have done is lose. I don't think it would matter much right now if somebody like Cowher was the Chiefs coach and they were 1-6. There would probably still be people crucifying the coaching and the front office.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-25-2009 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by WildTurkey (Post 6207105)
Nobody is calling him a genious :) some would like to let things play out a little bit before he gets proclaimed one way or the other

If he fields a sub-.500 next year, there's going to be trouble in River City big-time.

He better get his ass to work in this coming off season, and shine like the top of the Chrysler Building.

WildTurkey 10-25-2009 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6207114)
If he fields a sub-.500 next year, there's going to be trouble in River City big-time.

He better get his ass to work in this coming off season, and shine like the top of the Chrysler Building.

I agree.... there is no excuse for this team to not be competitive next year...

L.A. Chieffan 10-26-2009 12:04 AM

if we're talking about players salaries in relation to their poor performance, LJ would be at the top of the list

Mile High Mania 10-26-2009 04:27 AM

I did not watch the game, wasn't playing locally... but based on footage I did see and things I just know... the QB is not the weak link of the team. The WRs and TEs are average or below. The Oline is patch-work and the ground game is void of everything you want from a ground game. So, it's all the fault of the QB? Doesn't add up to me.

CrazyHorse 10-26-2009 06:30 AM

I blame Larry Johnson. Every game is a shitty game for Johnson.:evil:

Till we can run the ball, it's just gonna be more of the same every week. Cassel will continue to struggle until he feels some confidence in his O line and we can run the ball.

Till then it's a jail break for the QB on every play. Timing patterns? Forget about it.

Oh yeah, and the defense sucks.

Another poorly thought out article. More like head hunting. Why dont you just quit trying instead of proving you dont know shit?

TEX 10-26-2009 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse (Post 6207323)
I blame Larry Johnson. Every game is a shitty game for Johnson.:evil:

Till we can run the ball, it's just gonna be more of the same every week. Cassel will continue to struggle until he feels some confidence in his O line and we can run the ball.

Till then it's a jail break for the QB on every play. Timing patterns? Forget about it.

Oh yeah, and the defense sucks.

Another poorly thought out article. More like head hunting. Why dont you just quit trying instead of proving you dont know shit?

This. Once the O-Line is better, everything else will follow. Period.

BossChief 10-26-2009 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6206204)
http://kan.scout.com/2/912917.html

It’s easy to blame the Chiefs’ terrible pass defense or rotten, handicapped offensive line play for Sunday’s 37-7 blowout at the hands of the San Diego Chargers. But you can do that every week. At some point you have to call out the highest-paid player, so it’s time to lay it at the feet of Matt Cassel.

There’s no question Cassel shares some of the blame for the Chiefs’ 1-6 start. He blew a game against the Oakland Raiders in Week 2 but it was nothing compared to what transpired inside a soggy Arrowhead Stadium Sunday. The Chiefs had 19 net passing yards and zero passing first downs at halftime against the Chargers, and even that total was “inflated” by a two-minute drill. At one point, Cassel had dropped back to pass eight times and completed one pass for a grand total of two net yards.

When it was all over, Kansas City had only three passing first downs despite Cassel’s 25 attempts. His 25.3 quarterback rating, a horrifying statistic in a vacuum, appears even more revolting when you consider that it was the lowest rating a Chiefs’ starter has posted since Tyler Thigpen melted down in Atlanta a year ago.

Yes, we’re now revisiting a level of incompetence from KC’s passing game that we haven’t seen since Herm Edwards was trying to save his job by throwing Thigpen to the wolves.

Sunday’s game was that bad. The Chiefs appeared to be a team that cannot field even an average passing attack, and this came at home against a San Diego team with a mediocre secondary and a terrible pass rush. I’m not sure Shaw-knee Merriman touched Cassel, but it really didn’t matter.

As soon as his pocket became congested against the Chargers, Cassel looked lost. The play was dead. And when Cassel did throw, the results were less than inspiring. Specifically, his accuracy hit the bottom of the barrel against the Chargers.

In the second quarter, Cassel threw an awful pass that was intended for newly-activated wide receiver Lance Long. It was underthrown and nearly intercepted. On the next play, Long got a step deep on his coverage, but once again the pass was underthrown and Long was forced to reach back awkwardly in a failed attempt to catch it.

Were they difficult throws? Sure. But Cassel is the highest-paid Chief. He’s supposed to be a difference maker. He failed to make a difference. The Chiefs, already down 14-0 at that point, couldn’t really afford to punt again, but had to because they simply couldn’t move the ball through the air. At all.

A few plays later, Cassel badly skipped a ball to a wide-open Dwayne Bowe, who would have picked up a first down. It wasn’t a difficult throw, and Cassel had a perfect pocket to pass from. He just dumped the ball right in the dirt. Is there really any excuse for that from the highest-paid Chief?

But what really stings is, at one point, Kansas City had a chance to get back in the ball game. They were down 13 points, had been out-gained 2-to-1, and Arrowhead Stadium was a drippy, depressing, scene. But on their first possession of the third quarter, the Chiefs had scored, then KC’s defense had stuffed San Diego’s offense, and all the momentum was on Matt Cassel’s side.

It was at that point that he dropped back to throw, stepped up and heaved one of those long, graceful, arcing spirals you always see in slow motion on NFL Films highlights. For a brief second, Chiefs fans may have seen Jamaal Charles breaking open, seen the ball sailing through the air and thought – this is it! Matt Cassel is about to throw a 65-yard touchdown pass, no one can run down Charles, and this place is about to go crazy! We’re back in this game!

And then the pass fluttered off to the right as Charles made a hopeless stab at an over-the-shoulder miracle catch. The ball thumped into the wet grass and slipped away, just like the opportunity.

Cassel blew it, and he blew the next play when he badly overthrew a wide, wide open Bobby Wade streaking down the right sideline for what was, at least, a 20-yard gain and potentially a touchdown. The pass wasn’t even close. Wade would have needed a last-second gust of hurricane-force wind to catch up to it.

And that was it. On third and long, Cassel scrambled for two meaningless yards, the Chiefs punted, the Chargers torched KC’s defense for another long touchdown. Game over.

The Chiefs had missed their window of opportunity to get back in the game. When you’re a 1-6 team, those chances don’t come along that often. The highest-paid player on the team has to seize the moment. Matt Cassel failed to do that, and right now he is failing the Chiefs. His performance Sunday was as bad as anything we saw from Thigpen a year ago, and could have been worse. Cassel’s three interceptions could have easily been five. If Bowe doesn’t make a sensational play on the end-zone boundary, the Chiefs don’t even score.

Chiefs fans love to laugh at Oakland’s JaMarcus Russell, who is completing only 45.6 percent of his passes. But Cassel is now keeping him company, just four spots above at 54.8 percent. Cassel is 34th in the NFL in yards per attempt (note that there are only 32 starting quarterbacks) and the Chiefs have the league’s worst third-down conversion rate.

Are the questions that arose around Cassel last season in New England still an issue? It’s hard to argue otherwise. The Patriots had a woeful deep passing game a year ago and Sunday, Charles might as well have been Randy Moss getting wide open down the field only to watch the ball sail over his head. There are no shortage of plays where Cassel holds onto the ball and takes a sack, and at this rate, after taking 47 sacks with the Patriots and already another 23 this season, he may wind up as the most-sacked quarterback in the league over the last two seasons. These are not trends that should be ignored.

The saddest part may be that at times, Cassel actually shows signs of being the franchise quarterback he’s paid to be. Sunday, he made a spectacular throw to Long that would have gone for a touchdown had it not been dropped. He threw gorgeous passes to Bowe for clutch, game-tying touchdowns against the Raiders and Cowboys. He has protected the ball well, been a good teammate, played with heart and determination and said all the right things.

But the Chiefs are 1-6, have one of the league’s worst passing games, and here we are comparing Cassel to Thigpen and Russell. After Sunday, it’s hard to argue he hasn’t been a giant disappointment. The Chiefs had a chance, if only for the briefest of moments, and Cassel failed them. His contract demands success.

If this "article" was turned in to a middle school teacher for a grade, they would give it an "f"

You cant start a thought in one paragraph, never end it, then continue it on a whole new paragraph.

Its just dumb.

I'm not an english major, but even I know that.

Dont you guys have an editor?

BTW almost EVERY point made in this topic could have been read in my "our expectations of Cassel" thread....over three weeks ago!

fail

Chiefnj2 10-26-2009 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 6207278)
I did not watch the game, wasn't playing locally... but based on footage I did see and things I just know... the QB is not the weak link of the team. The WRs and TEs are average or below. The Oline is patch-work and the ground game is void of everything you want from a ground game. So, it's all the fault of the QB? Doesn't add up to me.

Cassel had a really bad game. End of story. It happens.

BossChief 10-26-2009 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6207407)
Cassel had a really bad game. End of story. It happens.

he hasnt even had an average game yet.

numbers can be very misleading.

our best game from the QB position was Croyle vs Baltimore...its not even close!

SAUTO 10-26-2009 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6206829)
You know what bugs the shit out of me, does Matt Cassel want to do a favor for new guys or something?

Bobby Wade signs and Cassel throws it to him a shit ton, today Lance Long plays and Cassel just keeps trying to feed him the ball. How about you feed that guy named Dwayne Bowe?

you know i dont see how a guy as smart as you cant get it. cassel obviously doent TRUST bowe, or the o line, they have let him down all year. how many passes did bowe drop yesterday?

KCUnited 10-26-2009 08:05 AM

Danan Hughes this morning on 610 - Chiefs receivers the worst route runners he's seen. Was impressed with Long's route running in pregame.

Chiefnj2 10-26-2009 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6207421)
he hasnt even had an average game yet.

numbers can be very misleading.

our best game from the QB position was Croyle vs Baltimore...its not even close!

Dallas wasn't an average or above average game?

KcFanInGA 10-26-2009 08:35 AM

From what I have seen, Cassel has been what I expected up until last night. You guys act like because a man gets a paycheck that is a large amount of money, that he can't get rattled. Well, I call BS. Here is a guy that wants to win...badly. He has leadership ability out the wazoo according to teammates and coaches...we were fresh off our first win in ages and playing at home in Arrowhead, packed slap full of Chiefs fans donning the red and gold (hail to it) and daring to believe. Things crumbled early. LJ didn't want to run hard before the half, the line was trying to get it's act together, and Cassel made some bad decisions. So he tried to step it up. Tried to force it. For the fans. For himself. For his teammates. And he fell on his face. The whole team did. It is disappointing. It hurts to see the team you love struggle so badly. But you dig deeper. You give a good qb in a bad offense time. You wait until he has talent around him, not game changing talent but at least nfl level talent, and see what he does with it. I predict a big game for Cassel next week. He will bounce back. But half of you seem like you'd be pretty pissed if he did bounce back. I'm sure you'd find something wrong. Start Brodie? Why, because he kept us close in one preseason game? If you are a Chiefs fan, you owe it to the team to see what Cassel does. Just my advice...I was in Atlanta when Jerry Glanville and the fans thought it would be a good idea to trade a 2nd stringer name Brett Farve from the Falcons to the Packers. Let's at least give Cassel this season and next. He's playing hard, and taking some massive shots out there, hoping to do what we need him to do. Bring the ****ing glory back to Arrowhead, bring the damned pride back to the Red and Gold! Science has proven the effect of human thought when many minds are attuned to the same outcome. You dont have to pray...but lets at least try to twice this week and twice next, and all together right before week 9's game, envision the Chiefs driving downfield to win it over and over again. We will get there. And we are moving in that direction. I know where we are going...I just don't know how long it will take to get there. Signing off Chiefs fans.

Demonpenz 10-26-2009 08:36 AM

Cassel sucks.

BossChief 10-26-2009 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by KcFanInGA (Post 6207560)
From what I have seen, Cassel has been what I expected up until last night. You guys act like because a man gets a paycheck that is a large amount of money, that he can't get rattled. Well, I call BS. Here is a guy that wants to win...badly. He has leadership ability out the wazoo according to teammates and coaches...we were fresh off our first win in ages and playing at home in Arrowhead, packed slap full of Chiefs fans donning the red and gold (hail to it) and daring to believe. Things crumbled early. LJ didn't want to run hard before the half, the line was trying to get it's act together, and Cassel made some bad decisions. So he tried to step it up. Tried to force it. For the fans. For himself. For his teammates. And he fell on his face. The whole team did. It is disappointing. It hurts to see the team you love struggle so badly. But you dig deeper. You give a good qb in a bad offense time. You wait until he has talent around him, not game changing talent but at least nfl level talent, and see what he does with it. I predict a big game for Cassel next week. He will bounce back. But half of you seem like you'd be pretty pissed if he did bounce back. I'm sure you'd find something wrong. Start Brodie? Why, because he kept us close in one preseason game? If you are a Chiefs fan, you owe it to the team to see what Cassel does. Just my advice...I was in Atlanta when Jerry Glanville and the fans thought it would be a good idea to trade a 2nd stringer name Brett Farve from the Falcons to the Packers. Let's at least give Cassel this season and next. He's playing hard, and taking some massive shots out there, hoping to do what we need him to do. Bring the ****ing glory back to Arrowhead, bring the damned pride back to the Red and Gold! Science has proven the effect of human thought when many minds are attuned to the same outcome. You dont have to pray...but lets at least try to twice this week and twice next, and all together right before week 9's game, envision the Chiefs driving downfield to win it over and over again. We will get there. And we are moving in that direction. I know where we are going...I just don't know how long it will take to get there. Signing off Chiefs fans.

there might be some good points there, but they are hard to decipher because of the huge paragraph.

notorious 10-26-2009 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by KcFanInGA (Post 6207560)
From what I have seen, Cassel has been what I expected up until last night. You guys act like because a man gets a paycheck that is a large amount of money, that he can't get rattled. Well, I call BS. Here is a guy that wants to win...badly. He has leadership ability out the wazoo according to teammates and coaches...we were fresh off our first win in ages and playing at home in Arrowhead, packed slap full of Chiefs fans donning the red and gold (hail to it) and daring to believe. Things crumbled early. LJ didn't want to run hard before the half, the line was trying to get it's act together, and Cassel made some bad decisions. So he tried to step it up. Tried to force it. For the fans. For himself. For his teammates. And he fell on his face. The whole team did. It is disappointing. It hurts to see the team you love struggle so badly. But you dig deeper. You give a good qb in a bad offense time. You wait until he has talent around him, not game changing talent but at least nfl level talent, and see what he does with it. I predict a big game for Cassel next week. He will bounce back. But half of you seem like you'd be pretty pissed if he did bounce back. I'm sure you'd find something wrong. Start Brodie? Why, because he kept us close in one preseason game? If you are a Chiefs fan, you owe it to the team to see what Cassel does. Just my advice...I was in Atlanta when Jerry Glanville and the fans thought it would be a good idea to trade a 2nd stringer name Brett Farve from the Falcons to the Packers. Let's at least give Cassel this season and next. He's playing hard, and taking some massive shots out there, hoping to do what we need him to do. Bring the ****ing glory back to Arrowhead, bring the damned pride back to the Red and Gold! Science has proven the effect of human thought when many minds are attuned to the same outcome. You dont have to pray...but lets at least try to twice this week and twice next, and all together right before week 9's game, envision the Chiefs driving downfield to win it over and over again. We will get there. And we are moving in that direction. I know where we are going...I just don't know how long it will take to get there. Signing off Chiefs fans.


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LaChapelle 10-26-2009 09:37 AM

I could understand if maybe his arm got ****ed up by someone landing on it, but unless that happens most games....

Frankie 10-26-2009 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 6206969)
Cassel's career in KC has just started...false expectations can't and won't define it six games.

This.

CASSEL SUCKS JUST ABOUT AS MUCH AS TrINT DID HIS FIRST YEAR.

Blame Cassel for being shell-shocked. He has 0.0000000006 seconds everytime he tries to pass. He gets no help from the running game. That makes even the best of them push with the wrong pass, or hold on to the ball too long hoping somebody gets open. Put 5 LIVING guys in front of him and THEN crucify him if he sucks. .... SHEESH!:shake:

Micjones 10-26-2009 11:59 AM

No. Cut him now.
We've seen enough!

suds79 10-26-2009 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 6208343)
This.

CASSEL SUCKS JUST ABOUT AS MUCH AS TrINT DID HIS FIRST YEAR.

I really think people should stop drawing comparisons to Trent Green. Yes we all know Trent had a bad 1st year and then went on to be really good.

But is that the exception or the rule? We can't just assume Cassel will turn out the same way.

Will Cassel be better next year? I don't know. I think it's really up in the air right now.

But how many guys have had a bad 1st year and then... had a bad 2nd year also? Then followed up with a 3rd?

Sometimes guys struggle simply because they're not that good.

Chiefnj2 10-26-2009 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 6208366)
Sometimes guys struggle simply because they're not that good.

... and other guys struggle because their team and coaching sucks ass.

Coach 10-26-2009 12:03 PM

The question I have to ask is, was Trent's O-line that bad during his first year?

SAUTO 10-26-2009 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 6208377)
The question I have to ask is, was Trent's O-line that bad during his first year?

not even in the same universe as ours this year

orange 10-26-2009 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 6208366)
I really think people should stop drawing comparisons to Trent Green. Yes we all know Trent had a bad 1st year and then went on to be really good.

But is that the exception or the rule? We can't just assume Cassel will turn out the same way.

Will Cassel be better next year? I don't know. I think it's really up in the air right now.

But how many guys have had a bad 1st year and then... had a bad 2nd year also? Then followed up with a 3rd?

Sometimes guys struggle simply because they're not that good.

Exactly.

This post should be a smiley that people could paste into every thread with one click.

BossChief 10-26-2009 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 6208343)
This.

CASSEL SUCKS JUST ABOUT AS MUCH AS TrINT DID HIS FIRST YEAR.

Blame Cassel for being shell-shocked. He has 0.0000000006 seconds everytime he tries to pass. He gets no help from the running game. That makes even the best of them push with the wrong pass, or hold on to the ball too long hoping somebody gets open. Put 5 LIVING guys in front of him and THEN crucify him if he sucks. .... SHEESH!:shake:

Trent may have thrown alot (24)of interceptions but at least he wasnt afraid to put the damn ball in the air.

He threw for 3800 yards and 17 tds while taking a similar amount of sacks (39)

to put it in perspective, Cassel is on pace to throw for under 2500 yards 20 tds and 13 interceptions, this year. (this is his per game average x 15 because he missed game 1) OH YEAH and 54.8% comp %

=gunshy

***Allow me to drop the Thigpen bomb once.....in 10 starts he threw for 2408 yards...18tds...12ints....386 rushing 3 tds... OH YEAH EXACTLY 54.8% completion %***



where is that $63,000,000 going?

BigChiefFan 10-26-2009 12:23 PM

He's done a remarkable job given the talent he has to work with. Yesterday, he played poorly, but I would still have to give solid marks for his performance to date.

BossChief 10-26-2009 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 6208366)
I really think people should stop drawing comparisons to Trent Green. Yes we all know Trent had a bad 1st year and then went on to be really good.

But is that the exception or the rule? We can't just assume Cassel will turn out the same way.

Will Cassel be better next year? I don't know. I think it's really up in the air right now.

But how many guys have had a bad 1st year and then... had a bad 2nd year also? Then followed up with a 3rd?

Sometimes guys struggle simply because they're not that good.

We arent going to be adding Willie Roaf to our line anytime soon...not to mention Brian waters became a starter half way through trents first season. That is two probowl/hof caliber linemen added to a line that surrendered 39 sacks in 2001 and 26 in 2002

BossChief 10-26-2009 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 6208416)
He's done a remarkable job given the talent he has to work with. Yesterday, he played poorly, but I would still have to give solid marks for his performance to date.

based on what? <---------------this is a real question

SDChiefs 10-26-2009 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6206298)
He had halfway decent protection on several throws and blew them. Horribly.

Hold him accountable.

I love how people want to hold people more accountable then they actually were (Herm) but people like Cassel can do no wrong and they blame everyone else on the team. There were some dropped passes. But Cassel flat out sucked of Ryan Leaf proportions.

BigChiefFan 10-26-2009 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6208427)
based on what? <---------------this is a real question

Let's see... we have the worst O-line in football. We have the worst WR core in football. We have the worst TEs in football. We have a below average FB. We have sub-par HBs, who could quite possibly be the worst in the league, at this point. Add to that a 1st year head coach, a below average defense, and he doesn't have much to work with.

BigChiefFan 10-26-2009 12:32 PM

I think it's a given that Cassell played like crap yesterday. Please find me somebody saying anything to the contrary. I'm talking about his entire season and looking at from overall context.

DaneMcCloud 10-26-2009 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 6208377)
The question I have to ask is, was Trent's O-line that bad during his first year?

The answer is no.

Tait, Waters, Weigman, Shields & Riley.

I'd take that any day of the week over what the Chiefs have right now.

DaneMcCloud 10-26-2009 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 6208416)
He's done a remarkable job given the talent he has to work with. Yesterday, he played poorly, but I would still have to give solid marks for his performance to date.

I think you're watching a different QB than I am on Sundays.

BigChiefFan 10-26-2009 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6208465)
The answer is no.

Tait, Waters, Weigman, Shields & Riley.

I'd take that any day of the week over what the Chiefs have right now.

Would you agree that we have the worst O-line in football? The worst receiving core? A below-average FB? Mediocre HBs? Below-average defense?

If so, I would say the odds are stacked against having much success this year. It's Cassel, not Peyton Manning, we are talking about.

DaneMcCloud 10-26-2009 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 6208488)
Would you agree that we have the worst O-line in football? The worst receiving core? A below-average FB? Mediocre HBs? Below-average defense?

If so, I would say the odds are stacked against having much success this year. It's Cassell, not Peyton Manning, we are talking about.

Dude, I said that shit LAST YEAR! In ****ING 2008!

Regardless, Cassel has not performed up to expectations, let alone even average.

He looks lost, confused and scared to take a hit. He shows no signs of confidence or moxy and his play is suffering because of it. Instead of trying to make a few tight throws at the expense of a possible interception, he dumps the ball off to his outlet receivers.

To date, he shows absolutely NO sign of being a Franchise QB.

SAUTO 10-26-2009 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 6208488)
Would you agree that we have the worst O-line in football? The worst receiving core? A below-average FB? Mediocre HBs? Below-average defense?

If so, I would say the odds are stacked against having much success this year. It's Cassel, not Peyton Manning, we are talking about.

IMO manning wouldnt look a whole lot better behind this ****ing line. have you ever seen him when he has a rush in his face?

SDChiefs 10-26-2009 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 6206783)
Jay Cutler threw 3 INT's today and the Bears got crushed by the Bungles....does this mean that Cutler is terrible too?

This Cassel hate is ridiculous. He had a bad game...move on. The whole team sucks.
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He has yet to have a good game. Croyle is a career backup and he is better than Cassel. Cassel should be sitting some where on the number 3 or 4 QB on any roster. Including Washingtons and Oaklands.

DaneMcCloud 10-26-2009 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6208502)
IMO manning wouldnt look a whole lot better behind this ****ing line. have you ever seen him when he has a rush in his face?

Then you haven't seen enough of Peyton Manning

CoMoChief 10-26-2009 12:47 PM

**** IT!!!!!!

We are winning the rest of our games.

SAUTO 10-26-2009 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6208500)
Dude, I said that shit LAST YEAR! In ****ING 2008!

Regardless, Cassel has not performed up to expectations, let alone even average.

He looks lost, confused and scared to take a hit. He shows no signs of confidence or moxy and his play is suffering because of it. Instead of trying to make a few tight throws at the expense of a possible interception, he dumps the ball off to his outlet receivers.

To date, he shows absolutely NO sign of being a Franchise QB.

well dane he HAS driven us down the field in crunch time several times this year. if he can get to green's level for the first three QTRS and play like he's shown he's capable in the 4th we will be in a good spot

SDChiefs 10-26-2009 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6206787)
It's not going to happen, that's Pioli's boy. They are tied, Cassel is starting for the next 3-4 years regardless of how bad he is.

Thats why we have to hope for an injury. Its the only way hes coming out of the game and the only way we will ever have a chance to win.

SDChiefs 10-26-2009 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by WildTurkey (Post 6206799)
This..... he's played 6 games for probably the least talented team in NFL history... shit even the best QB's in the NFL need some help... anyone who claims it's all his fault is a ****ing moron

I don't think anyone is claiming its ALL his fault. Just that he sucks ass and we will never win with him at QB. Take the greatest offense of all time that he missed the playoffs with. Bradys back and they are doing well again.


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