Put Brodie in and let him make some mistakes, maybe get hurt or whatever. At least he's gonna throw the ball down the field. Matt Cassel is a back up quarterback. He went to the Grbac school of quarterbacking. I called it before the season started and got totally blitzed about it. He looked passive to me from the beginning and still does.

That had to be some of the dumbest shit I had ever seen, Lance Long in about a quarter and a half had as many targets as Bowe gets in an entire game.

Im shocked that Mecca thinks Cassel's horrible play is a laughing matter

Cassel throws it down the field. He just doesn't connect.

I don't think his low YPA is a reflection of how far he's throwing the ball. It's a reflection of him not completing many passes...when you go 10 for 25 you're gonna have a low YPA more often than not.

And he put in Gutierrez and not Croyle because of Croyle comes in and leads the team to a TD or something, he has a problem on his hands.

I hear ya. I was at the Cowboys game and I started chanting for Croyle in the 3rd quarter. I was also calling Haley Herm.

I don't know what to think of Cassel sometimes he looks like a HOF with some of his passes and others he looks like high school JV.

I don't see any point in starting a QB who you don't trust to be healthy for 16 games, let alone for the next 3-5 years.

Cassel is the only QB on this roster with any kind of long-term potential. There is no value in starting Croyle this season.

That would play right into Haley's hands. Push, push, push

I think Haley might be worse than Herm, I'm already tired of these stupid 4th down decisions and all the onside kicks that make no sense.

Regret getting rid of thigpen now???

I am willing to cut Haley some slack he is learning on the job. Herm was still making stupid decisions 7 years into being a head coach.

I just get a little flustrated because I thought Haley was alot more aggressive play caller in Arizona than he is here. I know there is a big difference talent wise but running up the butt every first down is Herm esque.

There's also no point in starting a QB wo can't connect with receivers over 10 yards away from him, either. NEARLY anytime he makes a throw into the endzone, it's overthrown.

No.

You could make me coach and I wouldn't go for a 4th down in my own end down by 7 in the 1st quarter.

Thigpen is on the bench and hes playing better than cassel.

Like I said he is learning and he realizes he screwed up there. Way it goes

I guess that's what makes him a part of the team. Inconsistency.

As much as I may be doubting Cassel right now, I would take him over Thigpen in a heartbeat.

be quiet

Even now I still dont question that decision. I do question the playcall, however...

It was both...why would you go for it?

It was stupid when he went for it against the Redskins early, you take the points against a team that can't score.

Yep.

The one thing though I think everybody should give Cassel credit for is how tough he is. The man has probably been hit more times than any QB this year and he continues to get up and fight.

Cassel is a better qb, but thigpen can "make shicken salad out of chicken shit" better

I agree with you there. Cassel looked like shit yesterday and that dropped TD by Long might have been his best throw all year. Bowe should be thrown at 10 times a game and Wade should get close to that as well.

That's something I can agree with.

Are you talking to me?

Are You talking to ME?!!?

I think Cassel needs to be in a WCO. His skill set matches it much better.

You think so?

Most teams that run a WCO rarely go to shotgun and it requires proper footwork and quick reads.

, and accuracy.

Very true. I was just thinking of the routes they run, which suits his arm better than a vertical passing game.

That is not unique to WCO

Oh, then I'm not sure if Cassel is going to be a successful QB.

This is what we get for making fun of Russell I guess, we get our own skinny white version.

Only time will tell

One question on accuracy last year he was 63.4 this year he is 54.8

Which one is closer to the truth?

Probably very similar to how your parents feel about you. Have you reached your full potential?

FatMarcus can actually throw the ball more than 10 yards though.

And it becomes personal.

Just making a point.

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The average person works till they are 65 years old an NFL players career ends in his 30's waiting on a 27 year old is a losing proposition.

This is really hard to understand I know.

That's all he can do at this point, his football takes suck.

How many QB's have had good careers take off later in their careers?

Gannon, Steve Young, Trent Green, Matt Hasselback......

Life does not end at 27.

And yours is awesome. You repeat the same shit over and over.

This is true.

But Gannon,and Green both had extensive game time before being handed the keys to the franchise.

Young was handed the keys to two different franchises, one in the USFL and the Bucs (who couldn't beat a USFL team at the time).

Hasselbeck is the only exception on your list.

Green had 15 starts before being handed a big contract and then started 8 games after that in Stl before coming to KC. You are Wrong once again.

Gannon had 36 starts in 10 years prior to starting 10 games for KC in 98'.
Hardly extensive career game time and he was over 30 before breaking out.
Wrong again.

I bet all of them were good enough to start in college.

Had Cassel not gone to USC when he did he would have started there or somewhere else. He had 2 Heisman Trophy winners ahead of him.

I bet he still has a better career than Lienart.

Gannon - University of ****ing Delaware

Be honest going into that year after Palmer, Cassel was the higher rated recruit than Leinart he was the favorite and he got beat out.

So you are saying he couldn't have started for another D1 school? That's nonsense.

You stated the other QB's I mentioned were good enough to start at their schools.

I am just saying had Cassel wanted to go to BYU or Delaware State, or something comparable at the time he could have started. He decided to stay where he signed and compete.

Do you not believe that?

I don't doubt his not getting to start in college set back his career but to say he sucked so bad in college he couldn't start is BS considering where he was at the time.

I know that this has probably been mentioned once or twice but he doesn't seem to be able to have the time for routes longer than 5 yrd outs or quick hitches or screens.

C'mon dude.

The Patriots, whether it was Pioli or Bellichick, decided that Cassel was good enough to be the go-to guy if Brady ever got injured. They believed that for 5 years. During that time, they rotated several QBs and many of them were cut within months or one year.

Pioli and Bellichick picked Matt Cassel to be on their roster over hundreds of QBs who started in college.

Are you really going to try to make the argument that Bellichick has no idea how to evaluate a QB?

Outside if tripping into Brady he doesn't have a good QB history, it would be like saying Tony Dungy has a good QB history.

Russell hasn't improved his accuracy because he doesn't put the work in and he's too lazy to work with receivers. Let's not pretend that they're the same guy.

Cassel's got a lot to work on. But he also has a stellar work ethic. What bothers me most is that after every bad play, there should be a coach sitting down with him telling him what he did wrong. It's pretty amazing that Haley thought it was okay to not give the guy a QBs coach to work with.

Yeah, like the ****ing Redskins game I was at where Bowe was running a crossing route on third down.

Cassel threw the ball, hit him right in his hands and he dropped it. Know what happened the next series?

Oh you don't. I'll tell you. Cassel threw a ball that actually went through Bowe's hands and hit him right between the fucking 8 and 2.

The point is that Bellichick has cut dozens of QBs after only one season. Many of them sooner than that. And that includes Kevin O'Connell, a pretty high pick.

I'm not saying he's flawless. But he's a well-respected evaluator of talent and he obviously thought Cassel was worth keeping around for 5 years.

I think I'd have rather traded for Kevin Kolb.

What I think hasnt been mentioned is when you cant get into a tythm of any sort when you do have some time it makes the longer throws tougher.

I was pissed as hell he missed those 2 long throws with receivers finally open but I don't think it's crazy to say those throws are tougher when you spend a shit ton of time running for your life so you don't get a chance to settle into any type of rhythm and feel comfortable in the pocket throwing the ball down the field.

He probably shits when he has time to throw the ball, its abnormal. He needs to improve on that.

He has shown the ability to make throws at times he just needs to be more consistent. That should come with more stability on the pocket. If not then you shit can him.

Aint nobody is defending him. He had a fucked up game and has not looked good this season. But our whole team looks like shit.

All blame can't be put on Cassel. Why does it alway seem that you are so hellbent on proving to us that Cassel sucks. We get it and thanks.

For the life of me I don't know why they don't have Croyle hitting the weights 2 or 3 days a week and putting on weight. Also he'll have a bit more confidence in his knee next year. Cassel's salary or not Brodie if he is the best QB at camp or all preseason he should win the job.
Hell if he played better than Cassel this summer as reported, he should of been starting.
Just saying.

No, he was the least of 4. Good athlete, inaccurate. Regret signing Cassel, Yes.

I was just thinking that. I was also thinking that I would rather have Leinart I think.

I understand why he said he didn't see the benefit of Croyle starting. But we should live by the best player plays, period. I totally agree with you...put this kid on protein and weights. He's not going to be a runner anyway. Oh well, still not likely. What is likely is the Grbac/Gannon deal, where we trade him or somebody else signs him and he becomes an exceptional starter somewhere. I got slammed over this thought preseason, still think we might see it.

Sure you do NOW. So now you want to have the Kolb vs. Cassel debate. Come on man that's ridiculous.

To show that the Chiefs were wrong in not listening to him when he advised them to draft Mark Interceptchez.
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Jeezus Christ the people on here that suck the guy off have given him bathtub wrinkles. He has and always will be a backup. nothing more. I said it waaay before they signed the guy and said I'd remind them what they said, but why bother they are blind. I hope everyone here enjoys their Qb of the future..I present you Mr. Matt Cassel four years of over,under, sideways,fetaling,QBing pleasure....

Yeah DUMBSHIT there is a whole bunch of people defending him, read and see..

He never said any of that. He said he wasn't good enough to start in college, which is true. He wasn't good enough to start for his college team. Period.

I keep wanting to say remember Trent Green? not very good at all his first year, we didn't call him TrINT for nothing. He ended up pretty good. I'm not sold on Cassel, but we have to stick with him this year, the whole year through. I don't see any reason to give up on him yet, I bet we lead the league in drops right now and I like his spirit, he seems passionate out there. Too much invested, we are going to sink or swim with Cassel.

Was this before or after they brought in Vinny Testaverde because they were so certain of his play last year?

DUMBSHIT in capitals, Thanks B!tch.

Nah, sorry bout the dumbshit, no need for me to get personal... :) lol just my way of talking sometimes

Cool. I get that people are making escuses for him too.

I'm not sold on Cassel yet and we could have damned well jumped the gun on ol' boy.

But I don't get that some seem to throw all the blame on him when what we got protecting him is pure shit and he has weapons that constantly drop the ball and can't get seperation.

Can we change the name of this thread to "Mecca is butthurt over not drafting Sanchez"

I wanted Sanchez, too. Cassell is our QB. Deal with it. Bashing him now is pointless until this team can acquire/develop talent. Be pissed at Pioli, he traded for him.

Greens 1st season here was awful too until we got a some pieces in place.

Entirely different circumstances. Testaverde was brought in because they weren't sure if Cassel would be healthy enough to last the season and they needed a veteran who could immediately step in and take reps. Cassel was kept on the roster because they believed in his upside.

Maybe... But Kyle Orton's 6-0 and has a horseshoe up his ass. He seems to win regardless of how little talent we all think he has.

English please?

Did the geniuses who all predicted the Chiefs would start out 1-6 ( most said win vs Oakland, loss to everyone) think they would look good going 1-6? People need to relax and look at history. Rebuilding teams usually look worse at first. Parcells first year in NE they started 1-11, included was a nationally televised 45-0 loss to the Jets. I guess they should have fired Parcells. Joe Gibbs Redskins started 0-5 in 1981. Point is, you need to let the year play out. The thing is, Mecca and his boys will rag on them if they went 14-2 because he has to be proven right. Until the Lombardi Trophy is hoisted they will do nothing but bitch about everything because that's what they do. That's their thing. Too bad. Because it ruins the enjoyment
That '93 Patriots won its final 4 games to go 5-11 and it was one of most enjoyable times as a fan I ever had.
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Its amazing our qbs are still alive with this ol :doh!:

I have very little faith in Pioli at this point.

The fact that he went against the value of the '09 draft and forced an immediate switch to the 34 when a more effective play would have been to place a higher priority on the OL and make the switch with the next draft, a deep defensive draft makes me question his plan.

The fact that the only players he's signing are almost all players that he or Haley have a history with makes me question his talent evaluation.

He better have one hell of an offseason to make me think he's anything more that the Hoodie's glorified ball washer.