They didn’t stumble into Arrowhead hung over from a night of being denied entrance into P&L nightclubs.

I don't know what Whitlock was trying to make with this comment.

A joke. That failed.

I was pretty frustrated with how many D players had hands on Rosterburger or had a bead on him and just whiffed allowing him to make a play. I was frustrated by the number of hits Cassel was taking and how many times Niswanger was pushed back into him and whiffed blocks.

There was plenty for him to be upset about.


I had made peace with the fact that I really thought Pit was going to put a clown suit on the Chiefs. It was a surprise.


This is the EXACT kind of game that usually causes me to use the Bad girlfriend analogy.

Usually, the Chiefs make me BELIEVE they've got a chance to win, and then give it back with 2 minutes and allow the TD drive to break my heart.

He's saying that he thinks you're a door man at the P&L clubs.

Thank you. Someone who watched the game. Cassel was a joke until after the fumble. Haley had plenty of opportunity to meltdown.

Bringing racism &/or choice of clothing attire into the conversation of football.

Uh oh here we go......

I'm not a Cassel pimp, and a couple of weeks ago, I was ready to see.....Croyle.....put into the game because I was tired of seeing inaccurate throws.

In fairness, he spent a fair amount of time in the first half digging turf out of his face mask and belt loops. He holds the ball too long and misses too many open WRs, however given the usual blocking I can understand why he's a little unsettled.

He did rebound well after that fumble and made some decent throws....not awesome, decent.

I enjoy the temper tantrums and F-Bombs as much as any red-blooded American, but if Haley can keep it under control then I think this team will respond. Good article J, and btw dont even bother arguing with jasonauto, the dude is like one step from licking windows...

ROFL

I'm going to use that today.

You need to take a look at the "Haley Goes Off - A history" thread.

Of course it's nothing you probably haven't already seen. I just think it's borderline comical.

I think players need an ass chewing every so often whether it be in practice or on game day. Haley does it more than others obviously. Somewhere there has to be a medium. Being a hardass coach is one thing, but if that coach can recognize when a player works his ass off and plays well, it can pay huge dividends. Having that said there are players that can't take that kind of critizism.

I just think it will take Cassel a year to get in time with his WR's learn the offense, and everything to get in sync. Look at Trent Green with his first season here. He was TrINT Green. Give Cassel an Oline and another offseason and we could be competitive next season. Rolling on the win high wave right now, but if this team can beat the Super Bowl Champs, we can beat a number of teams as well. And as the season goes on I see this team getting better.

When he yells all of the time, it loses its effect because people become numb to it. If he would hold it back a little bit for when it's really needed, he'd get more effect.

If Haley acts like Sam Kinison, players will eventually get tired of the joke.


AAAAAAAAAAAH AAAAAAH!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Agreed. jwhit since you sit up in the press box and can see the whole field are the WR's getting open? I am curious if that is one of the reasons why Cassel hangs on the ball for so long.

FYP.

I think yesterdays game was a critical point of this season, and Haley's chances of survival as a Head Coach.

...another blowout at home(sitting @ 0-4) could've really been the nail in the coffin...as far as feeling that it was just the same ol same ol at One Arrowhead Drive...meaning that another round of STH dropping tickets with a completed stadium looming over the 2010 season...more apathy..less interest.

Haley came out strong, almost too strong, understandable, like achild learning to walk..the first steps aren't too pretty, but you strart to get momentum and learn. Personally, i think the team needed an intervention with a loud voice of accountability permeating through the ranks...I've likened it to give and take..he's obviously very passionate and his prasie comes as intensley as the call outs, he'll be fine. i thnk the meltdown with carthon might've opened his eyers. or someone made him see that he was going overboard, and in risk of losing it all. he knows this is his only chance.

What impresses me is he has backed up a lot of what he said..they woul;d purge the slackers, and find the right people for to acheive the goal. The roster has been fluid since day one..new fullback anyone? Players like Alleman, Studebaker, Long stepping up from out of nowhere. Chambers fitting in nicely?...and beat Pittsburg without Bowe and LJ?

...huge mental gain for the team down the road...the last quarter of the season will guage where 2010 is headed...sans first draft with own scouts.

Nice take!

I have upper deck seats that have a great view, the receivers are open by NFL standards. Cassel is just too cautious or doesn't trust his arm.

I agree with it all, especially the bolded part.

Good analogy FDE....

I know as a fan, watching this season has been a lot like watching a child learn to walk. They've crapped their pants the first half of the season and they're often teetering near the corner of the coffee table, waiting for them to fall and break their head open.



I'd wager part of the issue with Cassel is that he's been told NO turnovers, and he's too cautious to prevent INTs.

It's been said several times by several different people, but he needs to adjust his definition of "open."

These guys aren't going to be running free like Moss and Welker were. Most WR's aren't.

If a WR has even half-a-step on an NFL DB, he's open. Get him the ball.

Thanks. Are they running deeper routes or in your mind what is the average route?

I guarantee you that is part of it.

As I said, it's the first I've seen. Obviously I'm not at practice or in the room, but all we fans see is your columns about him whining and him moping into the huddle.
Prior to this year I thought he was a leader, but a local columnist convinced me he was a malcontent. The actions i've seen from him (prior to the Pitt game) led me to believe that was true. Maybe it's the columnist's fault for using him as a wedge issue in a personal vendetta against a team that doesn't coddle him as much as the previous one did. How would I know? I'm just a lowly reader and viewer...

Pretty much average routes. They aren't running wide wide open but open enough to fling it in.

ya, I hope they put it to bed with the team. He can't be yelling at his coaches in front of the players...supposedly they are close, so they'll tend to push the envelope with each other...

To me, Cassel takes notice of the pass rush too often. Pocket presence is a gift. Not sure it can be taught or learned. Big Ben has it. Coming into Sunday's game Big Ben had been sacked 27 times, Cassel 29 times. If you noticed, Big Ben is great at avoiding the rush. You could argue that Big Ben has been under more heat than Cassel this year.

if you go out and buy a Porsche 911, are you going to trash it the first year, or are you going take care of it so it lasts?

Rookie head coaches aren't that much different from first year players IMO. Haley was going to make his share of rookie mistakes and if he had to do it all again he would do some things differently. Every coach has an ego that's part of what got them where they are. Can you really blame a guy like Haley for coming in and trying to do everything his way? Guys like Haley have been chomping at the bit their whole lives to get this opportunity.

I never doubted a second that Haley was capable of learning, adjusting and becoming a better coach. I think yesterday a big light bulb went off and now the players may be buying in.

I don't have a problem with that but I think Cassel is just like the other QB's we have had since our O-Line has went to shit where they look at the rush instead of downfield. I just hope he doesn't end up like David Carr.

If Big Ben has great pocket presence and is great at avoiding the rush, then why has he been sacked 27 times? His big advantage is that he's a giant that you have to bring down with 3 people.

ROFL:rolleyes:ok how can you take anything this guy writes seriously? i mean he said in THIS article that this game might have saved cassel's CAREER IN KC. does anyone actually think this year means anything when it comes to his career here?

On the flip side, one could argue that Benlisburger has 3 solid RBs, a good TE and 2 excellent WRs that he's had a few years to work with and develop timing and trust.


Cassel has been throwing to 22 guys off the street.

Why wouldn't it? Unless you think that signing a large contract grants a 1 year free pass.

Did you think that since Cassel signed a long expensive contract, they had no expectations for him for the first year of that contract? :shake:

There isn't a lot of patience in the pros these days. Contracts rarely make it into the later years. If Cassel doesn't show improvement over the first year, that contract is gonna be flushed down the toilet. I'd argue that he's under more pressure to perform than just about anybody else on the team.

Are you fatter than Mangino?

This is one of the things I really like about him. His ability to respond to adversity. It shows good character on his part.

It's also been stated Cassel is money in the 4th Qtr. Some also say its garbage time.

I think the WR carousel, dropped passes and sacks were starting to rattle Cassels confidence. I think he's slowly starting to get it back with the emergence of Chambers. Roethlesberger is an elite QB and one tough SOB with a presence in the pocket few can match. On top of his pocket presence Big Ben has dependable wide recievers he is in synch with most of the time.

IMO they wanted to use this year to get him used to the system. NEXT year will be the make or break year.

Don't know why it didn't dawn on me, but I watched Cassel yesterday and kept wondering why he played so decently for NE. I was reminded of whom he was throwing to in NE. Makes a lot of difference.

It doesn't work like that in the NFL. Nobody gets a throw away year with no consequences. Cassel is not being told that what he does won't matter until next season. That's illogical and absurd. Think about what you're saying.

Whitlock is knee deep in a Gates platter right now.

Or balls deep on Herm getting his nose tickled by the short and curlies...

But he had the same problem in New England.

With all due respect:

"Not For Long". "What can you do for me TODAY"?

This IS the NFL, and that IS how it works.

And Fish drives it home FTW.

i'm not saying that they have TOLD him that, never have. but IMO there was NEVER NEVER NEVER ANY CHANCE HE WOULD BE GONE AFTER THIS YEAR, never any chance. his contract is set up where we could go in another direction after NEXT SEASON. if there was a chance for him to go after this year they wouldnt have given him the contract. they would have played him on the franchise and decide AFTER the season. He'll get two years NO MATTER WHAT IMO

Bullshit!

The redskins beat themselves, the raiders beat themselves, hell the cowboys tried to but we just wouldn't have it. The steelers tried to win, they were putting it to the chiefs big time, just look at the stats and you can see that. The chiefs won this one proper, and not only that they won a game against a real team, not another team full of fail.

Just cause your team is being showed for the what it actually is (Kyle Orton a great QB, ****ing please) doen't mean you have to shit on a legitamate win by our team.

Umm.... WTF are you talking about regarding his contract? "Set up where we could go in another direction after next season."? What does that even mean? I get the feeling you are completely talking out your ass here. Cassel's contract pays the most over the first 3 years.

What are you talking about? Please tell me how his contract was set up to favor the second year? I'm quite curious to hear this. Please explain the inner workings of Cassel's contract for me...

And if the Chiefs would have franchised him, they would have had to pay him even more than they did this year with the contract he signed.

His line is also not good this year.

And yes, he is holding onto the ball too long...

ROFL give me a couple of minutes

here you go, i had this exact same argument with OTWP and bigrock said it better than i could

ROFL awsome

And?

That's just a bunch of conjecture. If this... if that....

That doesn't answer a thing. And still doesn't prove that the contract was setup with a freebie first year.

How about something better than "If this report is right.................." ?

ROFL wow what else would you want? that came from arrowhead pride AND jason la canfora BOTH. like i said IMO the contract was set up so that if it didnt work out we can go in a different direction after NEXT year. isnt that what you took offense to? i said that next year is his make or break year. whitlock said that yesterday saved his career here. you act like he could be gone after this season. that not right. also his 3rd year is mostly bonuses. we pay most of the guarantees in the forst 2 years.

The Steelers made mistakes that were do to mental errors more than anything KC did. Mike Wallace's fumble, the kick return TD, Roethlisburger throwing INT's right to your team. Those are mistakes the Steelers don't make. The Chiefs played horrible and had to get lucky to win. End of story.

You had a ****ing batted ball pop right into Stokley's hands.

You got 2 lucky returns from Eddie Royal to beat the Chargers.

The Broncos have benefitted from luck more than ANY team in the NFL this year.

Mike Wallace's fumble was CAUSED BY THE ****ING DEFENSIVE PLAYER HITTING THE BALL OUT. That is a FORCED error by the Chiefs.

You are such a ****ing loser. Shocker that you had a college scholarship and you turned it down.

**** you, and your sinking Denver ship. Please come back here when McKid gets clowned by Todd Haley.

you calling someone fat?

That's rich.

How about some facts other than "This guys said that if this guy is right, it must add up that this is what he's making. Nevermind it's a diffferent value here, that's probably a typo."

That's not proof in the slightest. And I'm not seeing why the numbers you posted would support your claim anyway. Even if those numbers are right, I don't see how that proves a guaranteed second year?

He could be gone next year if he doesn't continue to improve on the field. Nothing about that contract says otherwise. Nothing the coach has said indicates otherwise.

I know you're bitter because slowly but surely your team and your coach are being exposed as frauds but please shut the **** up little boy. You're lack of football knowledge is glaringly obvious and you should come back and talk with the grown ups when you've learned about football.

not to mention leaving Leonard Pope wide open, not covering Charles on that TD shovel pass, not covering Chambers on that deep pass...not covering Chambers in OT...not scoring in OT...not scoring with plenty of time at the end of regulation...Big Ben taking sacks in regulation...Big Ben not completing 100% of his passes...Mendenhall not averaging 8 YPC...not sacking Cassel on every snap...not winning by 50+...

Pittsburgh just did nothing right and really bailed us out...what were they thinking?

Wow, Whitlock took the high road. That's different.

Haley is going to be a hell of a head coach. I'm happy we have him.

he's improving...still don't know what the hell was going on at the end of the first half...

There are a few Bronco fans who come over here that have class. When you guys were 6-0 they were excited for their team... and rightfully so... but not gloating over that fact. Most of us here tipped our cap to those few.

I'll stop there.

I believe he said he didn't really have faith in Cassel at that moment, and if he was going to error, he was going to error on the side of be conservative.

where would you like for me to get those facts? everything published was in that quote. Do you HONESTLY think they would trade a 2nd round pick and then guarantee the guy 28 million dollars then cut him after ONE season especially considering the abortion of an offensive line we have marched out there this season? HONESTLY. Think about what you are saying here. we would have guaranteed him 28 million to franchise him for 2 years. right? common sense would say that is how long this will last if he plays worse NEXT YEAR.

They were never going to cut Cassel...

But if he was totally, completely abysmal this season...

They surely would have brought in competition...

Sanchez makes a lot of money and I bet people in New York aren't too happy right now...no doubt in my mind he can be a great QB but that's a pretty tough place to play when you lose your confidence.

Do you even know me? You are such a moron.

well...

Call me crazy but I assume your avatar is you, no?

Post of the year..... rep :clap:

This is the only part that's true ... everything is based on your imagination.

The Chiefs are classless because of that gimmick option play they ran to get a first down. Real teams don't run plays like that./KnowNothing

wtf is knowwhatever talking about. the fumble was because of a good play. The chiefs made the play. The 2 interceptions were tipped. Ben didnt throw it right at the Chiefs player.

He also forgot that Cassel fumbled as well. I guess we gave them a gift as well huh?

Did the ****ing guy watch the game at least?

lol, rep for the licking windows comment.

If you must know, they're universally pissed at Kurt Schottenheimer.

And can you blame them?

"Schottenheimer": the brand name for mediocre suck in the NFL.

yeah...I bet they are just thrilled with Mark Sanchez...

I thought he had the "it" factor, too...and he might still have it...

But man...I'm starting to think his confidence is going to shatter and he's going to be DONEZO.

We'll see...the fact he has all world talent around him makes me worry for his future.

Not to start a pissing match about this, because I really don't care, but...

Who is this "all-world" talent you're speaking of?

If I were a young QB, I'd much rather throw to Calvin Johnson, Bryant Johnson and Brandon Pettigrew over Braylon Edwards, Jerrico Cotchery and Dustin Keller.

Okay, let's try this again:

They ARE thrilled with Mark Sanchez; they know he's capable of winning.

They are NOT thrilled with the O-Coord.

Any other questions?

So....when you first got into Journalism you were perfect in how you approached writing your articles? No one came to you and told you that they were boring or disinteresting? Or that they didn't really appeal to anyone?

I'm willing to give Haley the benefit of the doubt in developing his approach to being a Head Coach. Will he make mistakes...undoubtedly! Will he sometimes look like a rookie Head Coach and other times like "he's getting a clue"?

There's a whole world of difference in being a successful Offensive/Defensive Coordinator and being a successful Head Coach...and it's telling in the number of guys who have tried and failed.

Your articles over the last few weeks left little doubt where you stood with your misplaced anger. Trying to do an "about-face" with one article seems a little disingenuous.

mmaddog
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They're not happy with Schottenheimer?

Wow, good thing they didn't hire him as the head coach.

Any QB would, but to suggest the corps Sanchez is throwing to is anything less than an above-average line-up would be dishonest. Not to mention he has a pretty decent line and a respectable run game, and what looked to be a solid defense on the other side of the ball.

great line, great running game, good enough receivers...

the problem is a young, inexperienced QB that is in over his head right now...

but I guess blaming it on the offensive coordinator is a good cop out for ROR, pseudo Jets fan LMAO