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JohnnyV13 11-24-2009 01:14 PM

In the late 80's, SI ran a controversial story about a scientist who looked at the origin/insertion points of muscles around the knee. He found that blacks generally had insertion points about 30% farther from the joint than whites on average.

Someone with an insertion point 30 percent farther from the joint, gets a 30 percent torque advantage, even if they have the same muscle capacity, to generate force. Hence, said person will probably run faster and jump higher.

A number of black athletes took exception to this article, because they thought it was just another way to dismiss their athletic success based upon physical superiority and to diminish their hard work and intelligence in playing the game.

Yet, if this research is accurate, it could go a long way to explain why blacks dominate track and field events on the international level, yet don't dominate in events like shot put and javelin throwing.

Applied to football, it could explain why quarterbacks and o linemen have higher percentages of whites than any other position. Quarterbacks don't need to run fast, their primary skill is throwing the ball. Since the majority of people in the US are white, you will end up with more white QBs.

O linemen need size, and quickness, but don't need hte explosive speed that top d linemen need. In every other position, speed is very important.

Even so, safeties don't need the speed that corners require, hence you see more white safeties than corners.

Think about this on a street level: how many white guys can run with the black guys in pickup basketball? In my experience, the answer is "not many".

Lbedrock1 11-24-2009 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6290468)
Sporting Events that Blacks tend to stay away from...

Golf - Minus Tiger Woods, Vijay and maybe a couple others, whom Tiger ironically is the best golfer ever, but for the most part this sport is 99.99999% white

Bowling - I can't really name anymore than 2-3 pro bowlers, but I've never seen blacks at a bowling alley unless they were with some of their white friends.

Swimming - like I said in my previous post, from what I've seen blacks aren't very good swimmers, though in HS state swimming championships there was this black kid from a STL school that was VERY fast in the 50 free. Swam like a High 21 sec 50 free.

NASCAR - (Unless you're Lamanjio Smith, who won the Kenyan 600 - Anyone who hasn't heard the Mr. Bergis NASCAR prank phone call needs to Youtube it, language NSFW, and there are racial slurs but it's absolutely hilarious.) NASCAR's isn't really a sport. It's just a competition/event.

Hockey - Besides that Florida Panthers player listed above, I've never seen a black hockey player. Unless you count Manute Bol ROFL

Then you can also add just about any Winter Olympics event, though you can add the fact that blacks are in just about EVERY summer olympics event......face it.....Blacks hate the cold weather. There aren't any black ice skaters (unless they're female I guess, but I can't remember of any off the top of my head but then again I don't watch figure skating at all)

You are wrong, blacks dont stay away from these sports these sport cost money to get envolved with so it is strictly economics. If you had told me i could make millions playing golf and gave me the money it takes to get good i would have loved playing and competing in golf. Today you have more blacks playing golf then ever I being one of them. Think about sports and then the economics behind it. If i had the means I would love to be a race car driver in nascar. Soccer was never my thing but i know alot of black people who love to play. Young black men gravitate to basketball and football mostly because it cost very little to play all you need is a football or basketball a goal (which you can find at almost every park) and some land.

BillSelfsTrophycase 11-24-2009 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ (Post 6290628)
Greg Coleman.

Donald Igwebuike

http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl...gwebuikeTB.jpg

MichaelH 11-24-2009 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyV13 (Post 6290854)
In the late 80's, SI ran a controversial story about a scientist who looked at the origin/insertion points of muscles around the knee. He found that blacks generally had insertion points about 30% farther from the joint than whites on average.

Someone with an insertion point 30 percent farther from the joint, gets a 30 percent torque advantage, even if they have the same muscle capacity, to generate force. Hence, said person will probably run faster and jump higher.

A number of black athletes took exception to this article, because they thought it was just another way to dismiss their athletic success based upon physical superiority and to diminish their hard work and intelligence in playing the game.

Yet, if this research is accurate, it could go a long way to explain why blacks dominate track and field events on the international level, yet don't dominate in events like shot put and javelin throwing.

Applied to football, it could explain why quarterbacks and o linemen have higher percentages of whites than any other position. Quarterbacks don't need to run fast, their primary skill is throwing the ball. Since the majority of people in the US are white, you will end up with more white QBs.

O linemen need size, and quickness, but don't need hte explosive speed that top d linemen need. In every other position, speed is very important.

Even so, safeties don't need the speed that corners require, hence you see more white safeties than corners.

Think about this on a street level: how many white guys can run with the black guys in pickup basketball? In my experience, the answer is "not many".

I agree with your post 100%. But the thing I find interesting is that the truth is being reported and no racism is being called. The truth being that black athletes are superior in many different ways than white athletes and the white posters can accept this. If the posts said the opposite I don't believe this topic would be as civil. I find that a bit sad.

kcfanXIII 11-24-2009 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeMaslowski (Post 6290072)
Why?


I believe a more compelling thought was the fact that the NFL is largely African American and the "most important" player on most NFL teams is white.

I have to admit that the kicker thing through me off... Where are all the black kickers?

maybe the league should institute a rule requiring teams to try out black kickers, just to get their numbers up...

addressing the OP, i think it has to do with the physical requirements of the position. i don't think its racist at all to say black people are faster than white people. i think thats pretty much a given. players with more athletic talent are going to play positions that demand more speed and agility. speed is very important to a wr who is running down field, not so much to a guy who is being asked to stand back there and throw a majority of the time. so logic would tell us to put the speed at wr and rb on offense. just my opinion. don't take me for a racist, i'm not. i just call it like i see it.

Marcellus 11-24-2009 02:33 PM

I am sure this has been posted but I believe there are zero white CB's in the NFL.

Thats interesting too.

Hound333 11-24-2009 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefPote (Post 6290411)
Maybe back in those days, blacks weren't allowed in white pools and he felt uncomfortable. Maybe he thought you white people were trying to trick him into the pool so you could drown him.

Look, I'm a white guy and this thread is making me uncomfortable. I had to make sure the date on my computer said 2009 and not 1968.


Most of the black guys I know tell me that the reason they don't swim is because their parents don't put them in swimming lessons as kids. (talking on average here) The swimming lesson stuff is mostly a white deal.

RJ 11-24-2009 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Carls20yearplan (Post 6290940)


I couldn't remember that dude's name!

Ralphy Boy 11-24-2009 04:04 PM

Don't care to read the entire thread but aren't most starting centers in the NFL white as well?

MikeMaslowski 11-24-2009 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6290625)
That's kind of the point of the question. It's not completely clear from the OP, but later he points out that the majority of NFL players are black so the fact that a single position is mostly white seems different than in other sports where one race dominates (e.g. blacks in basketball or whites in swimming).

Thank you.

:clap:

geronimo 11-24-2009 05:30 PM

Interesting topic. Nice way to break away from work for a minute. My experience is that leadership among youth is more likely to show up earlier in families where the father is present and involved. Well many (certainly not all) black kids grow up without. Aside from physical attributes, the QB of note is the one who has leadership skills. Secondly, most coaches are white and are probably more prone to select a QB with whom they relate. On the physical side, learning how to throw a football is more difficult than learning how to catch one (at least for me-- still can't throw worth a damn). So more white kids end up being selected or targeted to play QB because of parental involvement/pressure and cause most coaches are white and end up investing/catering to their preference, ie their son, son's friend or someone who looks like them. These subtleties play a large part in our decisions than we realize. On my highschool team, the varsity QB was black. His dad was a lawyer and was in stands since the kid was 9 y/o forward. He (the QB) was a pretty good leader if not that talented. (WE SUCKED). He was also my best friend. In this day and age of uber competition in youth sports once you're pegged for a certain sport or position it typically follows you throughout your career. The other obvious explanation is stereotyping or "self fulfilling prophecy" young kids who play see that the QB is typically white, they then decide either that's who i want to be like or it isn't. I never wanted to be QB so I never tried. I loved Staubach and Stabler (white guys) the Harris dude who played for the Rams and Vince Evans ...not so much. I wanted to be OJ Simpson or Ronnie Lott. Lastly, I think blacks excell at positions which require a certain level of aggression vs. analysis which may explain the Offensive lineman v. Defensive linemen anomoly as well. I'm rambling now but I will never forget goin into my sophomore year the varsity FB coach asked me how tall my dad was. I was abt 5/10 (my father's height). When I responded it almost seemed like a light bulb (in his head) went off. In hindsight I think he was/is a good guy but i wasn't the kid sitting around after two-a-days shooting the shit with him.

Lbedrock1 11-24-2009 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MichaelH (Post 6290980)
I agree with your post 100%. But the thing I find interesting is that the truth is being reported and no racism is being called. The truth being that black athletes are superior in many different ways than white athletes and the white posters can accept this. If the posts said the opposite I don't believe this topic would be as civil. I find that a bit sad.

Why do whites except that garbage? Maybe because if they protested or got angry they would be getting mad at white scientist who madeup the story? If they wanted to study something maybe they should study why a chimp is 2-3 times stronger then a man. I would like to know that. Until we realize we are all human with just different pigment and the only differences we have really are just how we are raise and where, we are all DOOMED. We all need to understand and respect the differences without all the stereotyping.

notorious 11-24-2009 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 6290293)
it used to be you would never see a black man flying a plane, thank god chappy from iron eagle changed all that

ROFL

My best friend got a job flying for an airline out of Dallas a few years ago. He showed me a group photo of all the company pilots.

To put this in a politically correct manner, he stood out.

I picked him out of the crowd instantly and smiled at him.

He laughed and told me to go **** myself ROFL.

Rain Man 11-24-2009 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lbedrock1 (Post 6291883)
Why do whites except that garbage? Maybe because if they protested or got angry they would be getting mad at white scientist who madeup the story? If they wanted to study something maybe they should study why a chimp is 2-3 times stronger then a man. I would like to know that. Until we realize we are all human with just different pigment and the only differences we have really are just how we are raise and where, we are all DOOMED. We all need to understand and respect the differences without all the stereotyping.

I think it's because chimpanzees' parents spend time with their kids and teach them to swing in trees and peel bananas with their feet and rip apart rhesus monkeys when they're young. It's all about role modeling.


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